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Round 1: Canon.

Round 2: Legends.

Round 3: Canon and Legends, whichever version is stronger takes precedence.

Fight takes place in the invisible hand, no amps, no BFRs, no CIS, no lightsaber duelling ONLY. Victory is either death or KO.

If it's pure-dueling, any version of Grevious wins all rounds.

Grevious was beyond nearly all Jedi as a duelist - and no version of Vader could match his speed and agility.

Originally posted by CaveDude33211
If it's pure-dueling, any version of Grevious wins all rounds.

Grevious was beyond nearly all Jedi as a duelist - and no version of Vader could match his speed and agility.

ANH Vader is really fast too. 18 years before ANH, Vader moved faster than anyone Ferus Olin has ever seen except for Yoda, which includes a slightly post prime Obi-Wan:



I doubt Grievous's speed and agility will be a deciding factor against 0BBY Vader.

Vader easily

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Vader dies easily

Yes he does.

Originally posted by CaveDude33211

Grevious was beyond nearly all Jedi as a duelist -


Yeah:


https://youtu.be/R-t9GlT9qmk

https://youtu.be/TWGYnSUDdRY

https://youtu.be/Bx2bP5xv2jo

https://youtu.be/Xj49nsG4ruo

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah:


https://youtu.be/R-t9GlT9qmk

https://youtu.be/TWGYnSUDdRY

https://youtu.be/Bx2bP5xv2jo

https://youtu.be/Xj49nsG4ruo

Yeah - I challenge you to find me clips aside from the obvious Revenge Of The Sith and the Kiddie Clone Wars bullshit series that implies that are many Jedi who can beat Grevious.

That Clone Wars series is a fvcking retarded joke.

Originally posted by CaveDude33211
Except we're talking about ANH-Vader - and George Lucas already said in a quote that Vader was old and slow in ANH.

And 18 years before that, he was still very slow:

Only the right arm prosthesis that he had received as a Jedi felt natural to him, since he had customized it to fit his needs.
The pneumatic mechanisms that supplied articulation and support were sometimes slow to respond.

- Rise of Darth Vader

ANH Vader is more experienced and powerful than 18BBY Vader, so my point is valid. Vader was only 42-43 by ANH, he wasn't that old. What George says about Vader being "slow" in ANH probably refers to the choreagraphy or how Vader is slow compared to PT Anakin. Can you show me Lucas's statement that Vader is slow for context, please?

That quote is talking about 18BBY Vader's suit mechanics, it doesn't change the fact that that same Vader moves faster than anyone Ferus Olin has ever seen except for Yoda, including a post prime Obi-Wan. Next:



That quote doesn't say Vader is slow, it just says that he's slower and less agile than his pre suit self, which is hardly an insult to cyborg Vader given that RotS Anakin has been described as the strongest and fastest Jedi ever. And the end of that quote says that "he eventually grew used to it." Next:



OK? All that quote says is that Vader felt uncomfortable with his suit, that its mechanics were sometimes slow and that he had been forced to change his lightsaber technique for the sake of his new suit. And this quote seems to referring to how Vader's suit initially felt. ANH Vader has been wearing that suit for 19 years, and he's used to his suit's limitations by then.



All that quote says is that Vader had a chance to get a new suit that was better than the one we know he wears but didn't because it was too risky. Vader's suit is definitely imperfect because he wasn't as fast and agile as pre suit Anakin/Vader, but pre suit Anakin/Vader is a powerhouse.



Well yeah, of course Vader is going to protect his chest panel during combat. He has a lightsaber lol.




In what circumstances did Tremayne deactivate Vader's entire suit?




KEK.

I'm sorry, but I got a good laugh out of this read...

Grievous got beaten by Kit Fisto and got his ass handed to him by gungans. I can play the low balling game too.



Cool, but Vader is also pretty fast due to Force augmentation. He's not as fast as Grievous for sure, but you're insinuating that Grievous's superior speed is a deciding factor.



Lol, I'm not a noob. I've not done much debating on kmc forums, but I have done some on comic vine. I will admit that I've been mostly inactive from 2018 and 2019, but I was reasonably active in 2016 and 2017 due to loss of interest in SW debating.



Grievous is not "raping" Vader in pure duelling, and seriously... Grievous rapes Vader? What's the actual point in using the word rape out of context in a Star Wars versus thread? I roll my eyes every time I see this occur because it's a nasty term with horrific implications. I'm already losing interest in responding to you.

@Darth Thor: Did I just respond to a troll?

Originally posted by CaveDude33211
That Clone Wars series is a fvcking retarded joke.

Too bad it's part of the Star Wars canon. And Grievous isn't all bad in that show. He was able to manhandle Obi-Wan in hand to hand combat and fact files says that he is able to fight evenly with Obi-Wan in lightsaber combat.

Round 1: Grevious - Lucas didn't think too highly of Vader's power and skill in comparison to the Jedi of the prequels.

Round 2: Vader, by far. Disney canon has ranked Vader the greatest red lightsaber duelist (which is confirmed still canon even after the revision came out).

Round 3: Canon Vader wins this methodically.

Originally posted by YousufKhan1212


In what circumstances did Tremayne deactivate Vader's entire suit?




He allowed him?

He was trying to find those to become Inquisitors, he was busy choking out 2 of them with his hands, then Tremayne came and hit the button.

If Vader was actually trying to kill them, then no one would get close...he was trying to see their anger and see if they were up to par.

But even going with that as a legitimate showing, we already have showings of Vader's chest panel being damaged or pretty much destroyed and him having no issues with moving or breathing...sooo already contradicted.

Furthermore, this whole "Vader is slow" nonsense really has to just...stop.

Slow compared to who/what? We have showings of him moving quick, of actually being pretty agile at times and keeping up with Jedi who have no issues of maneuverability.

Sooo...slow compared to.....what exactly? Saying "he is slow" means nothing, when there isn't a compairson and he has feats showing otherwise.

Yeah, sure perhaps at one point he may have been. But you know...retcons and other material happens...he grows better accustomed to his suit and so on. This whole slowness as an argument for Vader is pretty weak, because as we've seen...he has feats saying otherwise.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
He allowed him?

He was trying to find those to become Inquisitors, he was busy choking out 2 of them with his hands, then Tremayne came and hit the button.

If Vader was actually trying to kill them, then no one would get close...he was trying to see their anger and see if they were up to par.

But even going with that as a legitimate showing, we already have showings of Vader's chest panel being damaged or pretty much destroyed and him having no issues with moving or breathing...sooo already contradicted.

Furthermore, this whole "Vader is slow" nonsense really has to just...stop.

Slow compared to who/what? We have showings of him moving quick, of actually being pretty agile at times and keeping up with Jedi who have no issues of maneuverability.

Sooo...slow compared to.....what exactly? Saying "he is slow" means nothing, when there isn't a compairson and he has feats showing otherwise.

Yeah, sure perhaps at one point he may have been. But you know...retcons and other material happens...he grows better accustomed to his suit and so on. This whole slowness as an argument for Vader is pretty weak, because as we've seen...he has feats saying otherwise.

Thanks for providing the context zenwolf. And yeah this "Vader is slow" nonsense needs to stop. While Vader may have difficulty moving around in his cybernetic suit, bu that was only in the early stages of his career and it's obvious that he adapted to his suit's limitations and compensated for them over time. Vader's feats also speak for themselves. In canon, he was able to keep up with a speedy opponent like Ahsoka and was defeating her. In Legends, ANH Vader was able to give a really good fight to a resurrected TPM Maul who is incredibly fast and agile. Maul was admittedly getting the better of Vader in the lightsaber duel, but Vader was pre-prime and still gave Maul a solid fight.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah:


https://youtu.be/R-t9GlT9qmk

https://youtu.be/TWGYnSUDdRY

https://youtu.be/Bx2bP5xv2jo

https://youtu.be/Xj49nsG4ruo

Yeah, 15 or 20 out of 1000 or 10000 that could beat him? It mey still be called "(...)beyond nearly all Jedi as a duelist" tbh

Vader spanks him.