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Who wins?

Presence wins.

I've always backed The One Above All in this fight. They're both supposed to be the Gods (capital G) of their respective universes, but only The One Above All is a metaphysical being and the actual embodiment of the writer. It's whoever writes the story and has the say over everything... in a slight character form. There is no one else above The One Above All. He is above everyone else.

The Presence on the other hand... has had somewhat limitations in comics. And out of his / her / its mouth, there are other higher, more powerful forces (and in that instance I'd say that the Presence was referring to the writer (who would also be The One Above All)).
Then there is also the Great Evil Beast, which played a part in the Presences role in the DC universe... which again speaks against one true Alpha and the Omega such as The One Above All is.

lol TOAA is JK Rollings right?

dumbass

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t640871.html


Presence flicks him away

Trash above All is not omnipotent anymore, he gets his shit pushed in by Thanos who only became a single universe for crying out loud

and marvel bois still trying to compare him to the superior dc cosmology?

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One Above All wins.

Both are equal, Presence might have an edge

carver is forever wrong, I don't even need to click to know who he picks

the opponent of whoever carver picks is the correct answer

LOL @ trying to use Jim Starlins Thanos' stories as a counter-argument. Everything Jim Starlin wrote after Infinity Gauntlet has been non-canon. The One Above All stomps. I am right and you are wrong.

Originally posted by Enzeru
but only The One Above All is a metaphysical being and the actual embodiment of the writer. It's whoever writes the story and has the say over everything... in a slight character form. There is no one else above The One Above All. He is above everyone else. TOAA is a character who operates within the confines of Marvel's cosmological hierarchy, just like the Presence is a character who operates within the confines of DC's cosmological hierarchy. They should, in theory, be equal(even though Marvel's TOAA has recently been portrayed as laughably finite/fallible.)

However, writer avatars playing the role of 'Supreme Being'(which both companies also have) are completely different entities, imo. That side of things just comes down to fiction vs. metafiction.

Originally posted by Enzeru
LOL @ trying to use Jim Starlins Thanos' stories as a counter-argument. Everything Jim Starlin wrote after Infinity Gauntlet has been non-canon. The One Above All stomps. I am right and you are wrong.

trash above all is forever a joke, marvel fanboys like you can go cry

Presence yawns and let his Lucifer finish the job for him

Starlin comics are marvel canon, toaa is retconned to above all others, and he cannot fix one universe cry about that fact

I mean you think fulcrum>presence so I don't even bother,

there's no lols to be had just headshakes and facepalms

it's like every marvel fanboy lives in their own little world





did one above all created you too enzeru?



or this one is my favorite, TOAA more powerful than JK Rowlings

you can't make this up

Stalemate. Same power over all things.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Both are equal, Presence might have an edge

Pretty much.

They are both supposed to be omnipotent. Both have very limited showings.

And both will succumb to bad writing... if any writer suddenly decides to wipe his ass with them...

lol @ TOAA being the strongest fictional being. Azathoth from Lovecraft mythos would wipe his multi-tentacled ass with TOAA.

Originally posted by CosmicComet

lol @ TOAA being the strongest fictional being. Azathoth from Lovecraft mythos would wipe his multi-tentacled ass with TOAA.

Don't be so biased. I love me some good Lovecraftian stories, but your blind idiot god, whose biggest claim to awesomeness is creation being its dreams... is still at the very max only a ruler over a fairly small fictional universe.

The One Above All on the other hand is the ruler over the biggest fictional universe we know: Marvel comics. Name me one universe, which is bigger and has more stories, more characters and so on. The only universe, which can somewhat compete is the DC universe, but the DC universe has been retconned many times over and a lot of the stuff from the past has been taken out of the discussion.

Also, if we're being super anal about it, then HP Lovecraft himself, the grand daddy of everything Lovecraftian, didn't even mention the multiverse in his stories. That idea didn't even exist back in the day and was only established years after his death. So you have The One Above All, the ruler of the Marvel OMNIVERSE (more than one simple multiverse) and on the other hand you have Azathoth, the ruler of one UNIVERSE (so much less than a simple multiverse). I wonder, who the more powerful fictional being is. Nah, I actually don't.

Ugh. Jesus Christ.

Azathoth is dreaming up infinite layers of OUTERverses. I.E. each layer is above mere concepts of space, time, existence, non-existence, above infinite spatial dimensions etc.

Not a single universe.

TOAA is a hyperversal being at absolute best. Mxy by feats shits on him.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Don't be so biased.



https://media.giphy.com/media/Vsl4fGedmYFRC/giphy.gif

Originally posted by CosmicComet

Azathoth is dreaming up infinite layers of OUTERverses. I.E. each layer is above mere concepts of space, time, existence, non-existence, above infinite spatial dimensions etc.

Not a single universe.

As I said, the only interesting and mention-worthy thing about Azathoth is the idea... no, THE SPECULATION that existence is a dream of his and that if he wakes up everything would come to an end. Which is why there is a bunch of Eldritch Abominations around him, playing music and keeping him asleep.
A similar concept applied to the Pre-Retcon Beyonder, whose thoughts formed reality and cows didn't have wings, because he didn't want them to. And he was still below The One Above All.

HP Lovecraft was hyping up concepts outside of space and time. These concepts exist in Marvel as well and they're lower on the food chain, when compared to the actual big dogs like The One Above All, Living Tribunal and others.

You have Eldritch Abominations (The Many Angled Ones) in the Marvel universe as well and they're kinda... not that powerful. Shuma-Gorath is one and it's like... Who gives a shit about Shuma-Gorath? Isn't Yog-Sothoth, one of the most powerful Lovecraftian Horrors part of the Marvel omniverse? There no one gives a shit about him either.

Why am I even debating this non-sense? The One Above All turns all Eldritch Abominations into sea food.

marvel isn't even CLOSE to the top fictional verse, people are now more informed than 10 years ago when everyone thought beyonder was the shit

DC, Lovecraft, Umineko, I shall seal the heavens or Chinese XianXia novels are the strongest verses in fiction

there's a reason vsbattles has retconned TOAA to tier 1A, marvel has only 2 tier 1A, no tier 0

while DC has 14 tier 1A, 2 tier 0

current marvel multiverse isn't even infinite
on the other hand DC has infinite multiverses with higher level of existences to reach archetypal infinity
completely different level

on another note it's interesting to see Lovecraft was published by vertigo, that means lovecraft cosmology is included in DC via hypertime

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Originally posted by Enzeru
Don't be so biased. I love me some good Lovecraftian stories, but your blind idiot god, whose biggest claim to awesomeness is creation being its dreams... is still at the very max only a ruler over a fairly small fictional universe.

The One Above All on the other hand is the ruler over the biggest fictional universe we know: Marvel comics. Name me one universe, which is bigger and has more stories, more characters and so on. The only universe, which can somewhat compete is the DC universe, but the DC universe has been retconned many times over and a lot of the stuff from the past has been taken out of the discussion.

Also, if we're being super anal about it, then HP Lovecraft himself, the grand daddy of everything Lovecraftian, didn't even mention the multiverse in his stories. That idea didn't even exist back in the day and was only established years after his death. So you have The One Above All, the ruler of the Marvel OMNIVERSE (more than one simple multiverse) and on the other hand you have Azathoth, the ruler of one UNIVERSE (so much less than a simple multiverse). I wonder, who the more powerful fictional being is. Nah, I actually don't.

The DCU has as a subset, the Vertigo verse.

Which includes the Unwritten verse.

Which includes ALL of fiction. Moby Dick, Marvel, 1001 nights, the Bible, Frankenstein etc....

Originally posted by MrMind

vsbattles

Stop.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The DCU has as a subset, the Vertigo verse.

Which includes the Unwritten verse.

Which includes ALL of fiction. Moby Dick, Marvel, 1001 nights, the Bible, Frankenstein etc....

The Leviathan of stories is absolutely insane, infinite hierarchy of stories where each transcend the last to infinite degree, each plane of existence view previous layer as mere fiction

also DC has final heaven, place outside of stories where dc employees and writers retcon corporation exists, where hyperstories and hyper-realities are created, omnipotent box etc

there's also oversphere

dc has so many wacky concepts that go absolutely insane

Originally posted by Enzeru
Stop.

I'm just using an example

in 2019, the general consensus now in vsbattles, spacebattles, comicvine, Discord, G+ all view DC Cosmology>Marvel

Who shaped The Presence?:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2bec9563b523b98fe22ce695ebb6ee6a-c

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Who shaped The Presence?:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2bec9563b523b98fe22ce695ebb6ee6a-c

He's referring to them being fictional entities.

Now, unless we're going to say that TOAA is NON fictional.......

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's referring to them being fictional entities.

Now, unless we're going to say that TOAA is NON fictional.......

Is he not?

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6bee947176873e005e6a1de60843029c

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Is he not?

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6bee947176873e005e6a1de60843029c

You tell me.

If you think he genuinely exists in our world, in reality, and you honestly believe that, then good on you.

I personally don't think he does, but then I'm not religious.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Is he not?

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6bee947176873e005e6a1de60843029c Writer avatars like Morrison in DC and Kirby in Marvel are holistically different from the Presence and TOAA, imo.

The former make the actual comic book and all content within it(in a very real/literal sense), while the latter are still part of the story created for them by the RW writers -- they are still fictional cogs in the machine, as it were. It comes down to metafiction vs. normal fiction here.

I was speaking of Jack Kirby, who existed at one time.

Anyhow, I think nowadays, as opposed to the past, DC fans cite Virtigo when referencing DC cosmology. In the past, readers compared apples to apples and stuck with what was common to the mainstream universes. Marvel rarely writes Christian characters into it's books and doesn't have a separate imprint dedicate to conceptuals, Archangels, God, etc.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I was speaking of Jack Kirby, who existed at one time.

Anyhow, I think nowadays, as opposed to the past, DC fans cite Virtigo when referencing DC cosmology. In the past, readers compared apples to apples and stuck with what was common to the mainstream universes. Marvel rarely writes Christian characters into it's books and doesn't have a separate imprint dedicate to conceptuals, Archangels, God, etc.

And who died in 1994, without even owning all of the output he wrote.

So hardly the all powerful being that is the TOAA.

Besides, as Galan said, writer avatars and all that.

Ten years ago, it was commonly said that Marvel is more cosmic based and DC is more religious based. When comparing cosmic, Christian based beings were not being counted.

Marvel has an Archangel Michael that was only shown for the first time last year. He is presented very similar to DC's but we know very little about him.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Who shaped The Presence?:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2bec9563b523b98fe22ce695ebb6ee6a-c
Shaped, not created. Humans shaped him into that form but Presence is eternal.

Based on the Infinity Ending, The Presence stomps TOAA, given the former is the omnipotent master and judge of infinite multiverses (DC being just one) while the latter is bound by the stability of a single multiverse as dictated by the cosmic regulators. I wager Perpetua at this point could solo Marvel based on the most recent JL comic.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Who shaped The Presence?:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2bec9563b523b98fe22ce695ebb6ee6a-c The answer is in your username.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Everything Jim Starlin wrote after Infinity Gauntlet has been non-canon.
So the Infinity War isn't canon?

Anyway, non-canon in Marvel simply means that the events of the story took place in a universe other than the 616. Marvel have gone to great lengths to catalog non-canon stories and designate them with a unique number.

But multiversal entities like the Living Tribunal and the One Above All are the same beings for all the universes.

Everything Starlin has written for Marvel since the original IG saga is canon, afaik.

-"Infinity War", "Infinity Crusade", and "Infinity Abyss" are all canon (obviously.)
-"Marvel: The End"(2003) is canon (referenced in outside canon material.)
-The "Thanos" maxiseries(2003-2004) is canon (referenced in outside canon material.)
-The "Thanos Annual"(2014) is canon (references past canon events and paves the way for the first Infinity Trilogy.)
-The first Infinity Trilogy(2014-2016) is canon (it directly references the events of Hickman Wars.)
-The second Infinity Trilogy(2018-2019) is canon (it simply builds upon the first Trilogy, which is canon.)


But like Astner said: even IF the Infinity Trilogies weren't directly canon to 616, they still take place within the Marvel multiverse, and still involve TOAA... And since there is only one TOAA in Marvel(duh), ALL showings are canon for him regardless.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Shaped, not created. Humans shaped him into that form but Presence is eternal.

Doesn't Elaine Belloc show limits after gaining The Presence's power?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Doesn't Elaine Belloc show limits after gaining The Presence's power?
Not that I'm aware of.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not that I'm aware of.

Doesn't she admit to not being able to hear the thoughts of lesser gods?

Elaine said that she cannot know what goes on in the hearts and heads of other gods:
https://i.imgur.com/wXJaTyl.jpg

...But that's Elaine.

Elaine is still learning how to BE 'God'. She didn't gain Yahweh's full experience/omniscience when she gained the demiurgic power. She's been piecing things together as she goes. As Lucifer said: "It's called learning by doing.":
https://i.imgur.com/TQouQIa.jpg



Anyway, Elaine isn't The Presence, so her lack of proficiency with said power isn't relevant to this discussion.

All powerful is all powerful. This thread is weird, not to mention that everyone should already realize that they're essentially the same thing.

I would think that if you gain omnipotence, you would need not have to learn how to do anything. But back to standard Presence, some questions.

Is he killed by Gabriel and if so, what were the circumstances?

Has he been tricked by Lucifer?

A few years ago I would have said TOAA destroys the Presence. Nowadays it seems TOAA is a joke (I mean "regulators" really?!). Presence should win.

Originally posted by zopzop
A few years ago I would have said TOAA destroys the Presence. Nowadays it seems TOAA is a joke (I mean "regulators" really?!). Presence should win.

Read the comic. The same thing would've happened to the Presence if Thanos was in the DCU. Taking on the opinion of a hater without reading the full context for yourself is the wrong way to go. And TOAA isn't merely universal. Mr Mind should've been called out for attempting to begin a flame war.

Lucifer wrecks The Presence.

Who cares?

I know that vsbattles has been referenced several times here. Are the notes here accurate as well as the images showing the Presence was killed?

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_Presence

Michael wrecks The Presence.

Presence is omnipotent as "a character" who is bound by setting
TOAA is not even omnipotent "as a character"
So, Presence will win.

I put meta-character above omnipotent character bound by setting though.

What is "omnipotent as character"?

If we're going to be thorough and use the philosophical definitions then neither of them are omnipotent, and neither is any interpretation of the writer avatars.

Morrison in DC? Are you talking his appearance in Animal Man?
Didn't they turn him into an actual character called "The Writer", who got killed during a battle, because he couldn't type fast enough?

To me Marvels way is still the metafiction, if we ignore Starlins dumb "retcon".



Yes. Me calling the Starlin Thanos stories post Infinity Gauntlet was meant as a joke.

And I actually like Starlins way to write. His dialogue reads like poetry. But at the same time I strongly feel like everything he wrote after Infinity Gauntlet went downhill.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
What is "omnipotent as character"?
All powerful as long as writers and settings allow.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Morrison in DC? Are you talking his appearance in Animal Man?
Didn't they turn him into an actual character called "The Writer", who got killed during a battle, because he couldn't type fast enough? They are different characters fundamentally.

The character from Animal Man #26 literally was a metafictional avatar of the real-world writer(ie. Grant Morrison):
https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/40467890_Animal_Man_1988-1995_026-002.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/40467891_Animal_Man_1988-1995_026-003.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/40467892_Animal_Man_1988-1995_026-004.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/40467893_Animal_Man_1988-1995_026-005.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/40467894_Animal_Man_1988-1995_026-006.jpg https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/40467895_Animal_Man_1988-1995_026-007.jpg


For all intents and purposes, that character was Morrison:
https://i.imgur.com/NeKJ7ZD.jpg


Conversely, "The Writer" character you mentioned appeared in an issue of Suicide Squad, and was written by Ostrander. The character was very obviously put there solely to mock Morrison's original intent(he even says as much), and was no longer written to be the Supreme Being. That depiction has absolutely NO bearing on the Morrison avatar, as he was written by Morrison himself IN Animal Man.

Writers can ultimately write themselves in a comic however they want. Sometimes they appear as average/lowly humans, which is how toon-force characters(like She-Hulk, Deadpool, Lobo, Doom, etc.) have been able to 'beat', or even 'kill', their own writers.

However, sometimes companies opt to go the full metafiction route with writers and put them in books with absolute Supreme Being status/privilege -- privileges which obviously transcend the boundaries/limitations of any other 'fictional' character(s) that appear in the comic book. As mentioned, we've seen this with writer avatars like Morrison, Carlin, Kirby, etc.

...And that level/status/caliber of Supreme Being is what is what I am referring to here. Because they are meant to be literal representations of the real world staff, they are above absolutely *any* fictional characters that appear in the comic book(s) by default... Even the likes of the Presence and TOAA(despite their 'omnipotence', they are still just fictional characters created by the people writing the issue, after all.) Again, this comes down to metafiction vs. normal fiction.

Originally posted by Enzeru
To me Marvels way is still the metafiction, if we ignore Starlins dumb "retcon". Why would we ignore TOAA's depiction under Starlin, though?

I don't like the portrayal either(it's phucking stupid), but I still have to accept it for what it is. /shrug

Originally posted by CatL18
All powerful as long as writers and settings allow.

Why would the OAA be any different?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Why would the OAA be any different?
TOAA was confirmed to be not all powerful, wasn't he?

Originally posted by CatL18
TOAA was confirmed to be not all powerful, wasn't he?

Was not the Presence likewise shown as not all powerful?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Was not the Presence likewise shown as not all powerful?
I don't think so.
Presence is all powerful as long as writers and people in multiverse wish him to be all powerful.

Originally posted by CatL18
I don't think so.
Presence is all powerful as long as writers and people in multiverse wish him to be all powerful.

I'm not a big reader of Vertigo. I was just reading the comments below with many an argument against him being all powerful. Apparently in DeMatteis Spectre, he is described a only an aspect of God and that he was killed by Gabriel and tricked by Lucifer.

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:479125?useskin=oasis

It's questionable whether an all powerful being can be shaped by human desire and I figure that TOAA is all powerful if the writers desire.He also can't kill The Great Evil Beast.

Originally posted by CatL18
Presence is all powerful as long as writers and people in multiverse wish him to be all powerful.
"X is as powerful as the writers make him," is stupid argument because it can be said of any character.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I'm not a big reader of Vertigo. I was just reading the comments below with many an argument against him being all powerful. Apparently in DeMatteis Spectre, he is described a only an aspect of God and that he was killed by Gabriel and tricked by Lucifer.

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:479125?useskin=oasis

It's questionable whether an all powerful being can be shaped by human desire and I figure that TOAA is all powerful if the writers desire.He also can't kill The Great Evil Beast.
The Spectre is power by God's wrath, which is limited. But he's not a facet of God.

The Great Darkness is the Yin to God's Yang, but I'm not sure the Swamp Thing ties into Sandman and Lucifer canon.

GEB would also kill TOAA, this is a non comparison

Marvel is just not up to DC's scale

How do y'all get off saying one multiverse is more powerful than another? That's entirely your opinion

no, DC has a bigger cosmo, Marvel multiverse for starter is only 3-d, and currently it's arguebly not infinite

DC has layers of existences each infinitely larger than the previous one

Marvel has other dimensions as well.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
He also can't kill The Great Evil Beast. It was later revealed that if Spectre has been exercising his full power, he could have stopped GEB on his own:
https://i.imgur.com/Rg0AjE7.jpg

So obviously The Presence would be far above GEB as well.

Originally posted by Astner
"X is as powerful as the writers make him," is stupid argument because it can be said of any character.

I agree that it's a poor argument.



I was saying that it was allegedly stated in his Spectre book that The Presence is a facet of God.

The Presence created Spectre to be the mirror for his desire for justice:
https://i.imgur.com/HWeszlW.jpg

*Off topic ramblings deleted.

Stoic, please... Stop. none

So, has The Presence shown fallibility?

Yes he has

There are things he doesn't know and things that go out of his plan

https://i.postimg.cc/bsqLrHQ9/image.jpg

THERES ALOT more evidence btw. Waiting for somebody to disagree

Originally posted by Stoic
Marvel has other dimensions as well.

Doesn't Tiboro reside in the 6th dimension?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yes he has

There are things he doesn't know and things that go out of his plan

https://i.postimg.cc/bsqLrHQ9/image.jpg what exactly is that plan? Can you explain that?

Originally posted by Galan007
The Presence created Spectre to be the mirror for his desire for justice:
https://i.imgur.com/HWeszlW.jpg

I always like that run with the Presence being an ass to Spectre and Stranger as a mere dog.

What is that diesidude kid saying? I hope its not something stupid again. The guy claims to have lack of knowledge on comics and yet gives his opinion on majority of it

Presence wins

Your the last person to question anyone's intelligence here.

No one asked you to explain the comic, I called you out on your post. You have a history of posting scans that are totally irrelevant to your view. Now are you going to take more evasive action or are you going to explain What they mean by "plan"? It's not what you think it is.

Presence
They both seem to be limited but the TOAA is much more so than the presence

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Presence
They both seem to be limited but the TOAA is much more so than the presence

I agree, unlike TOAA, Presence has never been defeated. Also the fact that he did not straight up admitting he's not omnipotent like TOAA did

Isn't The Presence killed?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Isn't The Presence killed?

By whom?

He's talking about Lucifer v2 and that wasn't the presence

Originally posted by SquallX
By whom?

I believe one of his angels.

https://imgur.com/a/PlpXzXR
https://imgur.com/a/d4jI2ph

It's from Lucifer v2, nothing to do with phantom stranger , you have no idea what you are talking about Squall

He always gets defensive when called out.

Just look at his response when abhi asked about Polaris bloodbending Hulk.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He always gets defensive when called out.

Just look at his response when abhi asked about Polaris bloodbending Hulk. link? Tried searching.. and watch there will be crickets in response to my previous post in this thread.

Originally posted by Diesldude
link? Tried searching.. and watch there will be crickets in response to my previous post in this thread.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
so let me get this straight, YOU didn't know Polaris had blood bended Hulk? and you're sitting trying to discuss this type stuff with me. Y'all dc dudes are hilarious

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


Thanks, Just read that thread, dude has no credibility.

Originally posted by SquallX
By whom?

Appears to be Gabriel.

https://imgur.com/a/5kLz8pK

Hulkster, where are you on that Imperiex being consumed by Brainiac question?

that was merely an aspect of the Divine Presence,

https://i.imgur.com/vlAhTAm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/F7JLVgj.jpg

Originally posted by MrMind
that was merely an aspect of the Divine Presence,

https://i.imgur.com/vlAhTAm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/F7JLVgj.jpg

He allowed it to happen also.

A few years ago I would have said TOAA. But now? Presence takes this easily. Marvel has a habit of ruining their omnipotents.

Thanos became one with the universe and was able to defeat OAA.

If in DC had thanos taken over ALL of CREATION he would be the size of this ball.

https://i.postimg.cc/Qd9bGXyL/55-A6-FB9-D-B1-B4-4-F98-BBFA-C44548-F734-B4.jpg

Not even close anymore.

People suddenly disappeared from this thread.....

Stalemate or sleight edge to the Presence.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Stalemate or sleight edge to the Presence. Can you share your thoughts behind this view?

Originally posted by Diesldude
Can you share your thoughts behind this view?

Basically what everyone is saying. However, I dont think that will stick for long.