I've always backed The One Above All in this fight. They're both supposed to be the Gods (capital G) of their respective universes, but only The One Above All is a metaphysical being and the actual embodiment of the writer. It's whoever writes the story and has the say over everything... in a slight character form. There is no one else above The One Above All. He is above everyone else.
The Presence on the other hand... has had somewhat limitations in comics. And out of his / her / its mouth, there are other higher, more powerful forces (and in that instance I'd say that the Presence was referring to the writer (who would also be The One Above All)).
Then there is also the Great Evil Beast, which played a part in the Presences role in the DC universe... which again speaks against one true Alpha and the Omega such as The One Above All is.
Trash above All is not omnipotent anymore, he gets his shit pushed in by Thanos who only became a single universe for crying out loud
and marvel bois still trying to compare him to the superior dc cosmology?
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LOL @ trying to use Jim Starlins Thanos' stories as a counter-argument. Everything Jim Starlin wrote after Infinity Gauntlet has been non-canon. The One Above All stomps. I am right and you are wrong.
TOAA is a character who operates within the confines of Marvel's cosmological hierarchy, just like the Presence is a character who operates within the confines of DC's cosmological hierarchy. They should, in theory, be equal(even though Marvel's TOAA has recently been portrayed as laughably finite/fallible.)
However, writer avatars playing the role of 'Supreme Being'(which both companies also have) are completely different entities, imo. That side of things just comes down to fiction vs. metafiction.
Don't be so biased. I love me some good Lovecraftian stories, but your blind idiot god, whose biggest claim to awesomeness is creation being its dreams... is still at the very max only a ruler over a fairly small fictional universe.
The One Above All on the other hand is the ruler over the biggest fictional universe we know: Marvel comics. Name me one universe, which is bigger and has more stories, more characters and so on. The only universe, which can somewhat compete is the DC universe, but the DC universe has been retconned many times over and a lot of the stuff from the past has been taken out of the discussion.
Also, if we're being super anal about it, then HP Lovecraft himself, the grand daddy of everything Lovecraftian, didn't even mention the multiverse in his stories. That idea didn't even exist back in the day and was only established years after his death. So you have The One Above All, the ruler of the Marvel OMNIVERSE (more than one simple multiverse) and on the other hand you have Azathoth, the ruler of one UNIVERSE (so much less than a simple multiverse). I wonder, who the more powerful fictional being is. Nah, I actually don't.
Azathoth is dreaming up infinite layers of OUTERverses. I.E. each layer is above mere concepts of space, time, existence, non-existence, above infinite spatial dimensions etc.
Not a single universe.
TOAA is a hyperversal being at absolute best. Mxy by feats shits on him.
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As I said, the only interesting and mention-worthy thing about Azathoth is the idea... no, THE SPECULATION that existence is a dream of his and that if he wakes up everything would come to an end. Which is why there is a bunch of Eldritch Abominations around him, playing music and keeping him asleep.
A similar concept applied to the Pre-Retcon Beyonder, whose thoughts formed reality and cows didn't have wings, because he didn't want them to. And he was still below The One Above All.
HP Lovecraft was hyping up concepts outside of space and time. These concepts exist in Marvel as well and they're lower on the food chain, when compared to the actual big dogs like The One Above All, Living Tribunal and others.
You have Eldritch Abominations (The Many Angled Ones) in the Marvel universe as well and they're kinda... not that powerful. Shuma-Gorath is one and it's like... Who gives a shit about Shuma-Gorath? Isn't Yog-Sothoth, one of the most powerful Lovecraftian Horrors part of the Marvel omniverse? There no one gives a shit about him either.
Why am I even debating this non-sense? The One Above All turns all Eldritch Abominations into sea food.
marvel isn't even CLOSE to the top fictional verse, people are now more informed than 10 years ago when everyone thought beyonder was the shit
DC, Lovecraft, Umineko, I shall seal the heavens or Chinese XianXia novels are the strongest verses in fiction
there's a reason vsbattles has retconned TOAA to tier 1A, marvel has only 2 tier 1A, no tier 0
while DC has 14 tier 1A, 2 tier 0
current marvel multiverse isn't even infinite
on the other hand DC has infinite multiverses with higher level of existences to reach archetypal infinity
completely different level
on another note it's interesting to see Lovecraft was published by vertigo, that means lovecraft cosmology is included in DC via hypertime
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