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Cap takes on four Grizzlies, and a Kodiak, and Polar Bear.

Again this point with him not holding back, a full force hit should kill these things if not at least knock them out.

He dies if he brawls it out.

And before y'all come in with the helicopter and motorcycle bullshit

Every single one of these animals is clearly in the superhuman range and once they surround him he will have nowhere to dodge those 5 inch claws and a single swipe will do multiple times the amount of damage and with as much or more force as a shotgun.

It took 2 to three outriders each to overwhelm Cap, Bucky,and Panther.

A grizzly would maul a single outrider to death, probably 2 or 3 as well.

A Kodiak or Polar Bear will either outright knock an outriders head off or break it's spine in a single hit not to mention eviscerating it.

Can Cap win this? Definitely possible, but the only way feasible is by using hit and run tactics. If he lets more than two bears within striking range at any one time.he is a deadman.

I know we get caught up in movie and comic book feats on this site but make no mistake about it, Lions, Tigers, and Bears are not only superhumanly fast and able to match his running speed, their natural size and strength is going to match his strength, surpass his durability, oh and they each have multiple, curved, 5 inch blades on them there murder mittens.

He might win but only if he finds a way to take em down one by one. And those bears will forever think humans aren't worth the fight after that.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
He dies if he brawls it out.

And before y'all come in with the helicopter and motorcycle bullshit

Every single one of these animals is clearly in the superhuman range and once they surround him he will have nowhere to dodge those 5 inch claws and a single swipe will do multiple times the amount of damage and with as much or more force as a shotgun.

It took 2 to three outriders each to overwhelm Cap, Bucky,and Panther.

A grizzly would maul a single outrider to death, probably 2 or 3 as well.

A Kodiak or Polar Bear will either outright knock an outriders head off or break it's spine in a single hit not to mention eviscerating it.

Can Cap win this? Definitely possible, but the only way feasible is by using hit and run tactics. If he lets more than two bears within striking range at any one time.he is a deadman.

I know we get caught up in movie and comic book feats on this site but make no mistake about it, Lions, Tigers, and Bears are not only superhumanly fast and able to match his running speed, their natural size and strength is going to match his strength, surpass his durability, oh and they each have multiple, curved, 5 inch blades on them there murder mittens.

He might win but only if he finds a way to take em down one by one. And those bears will forever think humans aren't worth the fight after that. No, Cap would break each Grizzly's skull with a single punch each and could overpower all of them combined.

Captain American can punch through Ultron Sentires, which are made of Grade-V titanium, throw a motorcycle with enough force to destroy a jeep, and toss Ultron into a highway pillar and crater it.

Grizzlies are superhumanly strong and can run faster than any human being, yes. But that doesn't make them anywhere near as strong as Captain America.

No, Cap stomps this any way you look at it.

Cap lol

Lol. You mean the same Ultron robots that black widow and Hawkeye ripped through? That normal arrows and bullets destroyed?

How about the same outriders that overwhelmed him in minutes with only two or three , the same outriders that were getting ktfo by regular wakandans by hitting them with vibranium sticks.

Ok, so maybe you are not aware of what animals like this are physically capable of and you are applying movie bad guy fighting styles to them. They are not going to attack him one on one and don****ing karate.

They are going to surround him and there is literally going to be nowhere for him to go when 12 massive paws start bearingdown on him with claws that will open him up like a sardine can.

Like I said, the only way he manages to win is off the bears attack as stupidly as th Ultron bots or movie goons.

These animals are just as fast as him, more durable thanks to multiple inches of fat, and if they had thumbs and were bipedal would be able to apply the same amount of strength.

The outriders whipped his ass with two or three, any one of these bears would killl an outrider one on one, the Kodiak and Polar bear would trash multiple outriders.

Cap is still just peak human, the Ultron bots is literally the worst example you could have used when regular humans defeated muktipl at a time with no weapons.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Lol. You mean the same Ultron robots that black widow and Hawkeye ripped through? That normal arrows and bullets destroyed?

Neither Black Widow nor Hawkeye tore through them via brute force. Compare that to Steve, who did outright tear one's head off at one point. Also, no, those were not regular bullets and arrows. It's explicitly stated in that very same film that Stark makes all the Avengers gear. And we visibly see Sokovian forces and even a SHIELD agent unload on them with their weapons without any effect. So, Natasha was likely using some kind of armor piercing rounds.

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https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111285144/5210627-may%2016%2C%202016%2018%3A18.gif

And the drones could also tunnel through concrete and flip cars over.

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Originally posted by ShadowFyre

Cap is still just peak human, the Ultron bots is literally the worst example you could have used when regular humans defeated muktipl at a time with no weapons.

Please post a scene where regular humans solo'd multiple Ultron bots simultaneously while completely unarmed. And them taking on multiple bots, one at a time, in a combo of H2H and weapons don't count.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No, Cap would break each Grizzly's skull with a single punch each and could overpower all of them combined.

Captain American can punch through Ultron Sentires, which are made of Grade-V titanium, throw a motorcycle with enough force to destroy a jeep, and toss Ultron into a highway pillar and crater it.

Grizzlies are superhumanly strong and can run faster than any human being, yes. But that doesn't make them anywhere near as strong as Captain America.

No, Cap stomps this any way you look at it.

Prove that the Ultron Sentries are made of grade-V titanium and that Cap punched through that material (show the clip).

Show Cap throwing a motorcycle destroying a jeep.

The Ultron pillar feat a non feat.

^^^or you could just watch the movie w.out covering up your eyes.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Neither Black Widow nor Hawkeye tore through them via brute force. Compare that to Steve, who did outright tear one's head off at one point. Also, no, those were not regular bullets and arrows. It's explicitly stated in that very same film that Stark makes all the Avengers gear. And we visibly see Sokovian forces and even a SHIELD agent unload on them with their weapons without any effect. So, Natasha was likely using some kind of armor piercing rounds.

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111285144/5210645-may%2016%2C%202016%2018%3A54.gif

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111285144/5210627-may%2016%2C%202016%2018%3A18.gif

And the drones could also tunnel through concrete and flip cars over.

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111285144/5210613-may%2016%2C%202016%2018%3A01.gif

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111285144/5210616-may%2016%2C%202016%2018%3A35.gif



Please post a scene where regular humans solo'd multiple Ultron bots simultaneously while completely unarmed. And them taking on multiple bots, one at a time, in a combo of H2H and weapons don't count.

It's called movie inconsistency. High vs low showings. The bots appeared to be very fragile when the avengers engaged them. This is not debatable.

With no shield Cap would get killed.
People are arguing a fantasy Cap here.
Cap could greatly injure some of them before eventually going down.
Cap is not cut resistant or bite resistant. He will bleed out.

Feats >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your opinion

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that the Ultron Sentries are made of grade-V titanium and that Cap punched through that material (show the clip).

Show Cap throwing a motorcycle destroying a jeep.

The Ultron pillar feat a non feat. Alternatively, you could kill yourself.

At the vault dweller, they were super fragile and this can't be debated, they were killed by things that should not have killed a solid metal object.

Steve has tremendous blunt force durability but that's it, he is not cut resistant, and none of you have yet to come up with an answer for what happens when he gets hit, he will be heavily damaged.

On top of that, on these threads like this people like to apply movie goon tactics to the opponents . Obviously some of you are lacking real world experience when it comes to fights and seem to think everyone is going to line up one by one and get knocked out. They won't

Each one of these animals can charge just as fast as Steve,Bucky, and Panther, and they weigh 5-8 times more, meaning they are just as strong, and much more vicious.

Once he is surrounded, he is a dead man, you are fanboying and not being realistic if you say anything else. The outriders already showed Steve can't handle more than one above human opponent at a time.

So unlike everyone else here, I have actually backed my stance up, that nobody here seems to have an actual answer for besides Steve wins.

So im giving the bears a 6/10 just because it's Steve freaking Rogers and yes he has been in worse situations but those were all movie scripted and the bad guys either acted like dumbasses or were vastly inferior to him. The bears are not and will absolutely rip him to shreds without giving him a single second to catch his breath.

If an arrow can Pierce them it does not matter what the head is made of, it matters what kind of force is behind it, though I stand corrected in the black widow comment. Quicksilver destroyed them without weapons. They were still pretty weak despite a couple of good showings (the concrete one was the only good strength showing and that seems like an outlier)

In other words, your argument regarding the Ultron bots focuses pretty much solely on low-ends. BTW, Quicksilver was also able to damage pre-vibranium Ultron Prime, who is a lot more durable than the drones. And the bots also have other feats, but I just couldn't bother finding and linking them all. And I'm not even commenting on the match result here.

Imagine saying that a guy who can run hundreds of times faster than the speed of sound and punch you at that speed without shattering every bone in his body being able to destroy them is proof that they are weak, compared to a phucking grizzly bear.

More on this later.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
In other words, your argument regarding the Ultron bots focuses pretty much solely on low-ends. BTW, Quicksilver was also able to damage pre-vibranium Ultron Prime, who is a lot more durable than the drones. And the bots also have other feats, but I just couldn't bother finding and linking them all. And I'm not even commenting on the match result here. No need to be humble, anyone who isn't delusional can tell that Cap would win this.

It's also about the feeling. What did we feel when we seen those scenes? I most certainly felt those bots were scrap metal in some scenes.

Basically, if a character has highs and lows then it is faulty to use their highs when comparing what another character did against them.

Again, Cap can be bitten and slashed. There is no way he's stopping that from happening without a shield. We will most likely bleed out

Originally posted by NemeBro
No need to be humble, anyone who isn't delusional can tell that Cap would win this.

No, anyone that isn't delusional wouldn't think the bears are gonna line up and get knocked out, or act like the bears can't hurt him when they absolutely can.

When Cap is completely surrounded by 6 bears, and has 12 paws swinging at him, there is nowhere for him to dodge or do anything. That's simple physics, he won't have anywhere to dodge or do anything.

Then answer this, Cap got beaten by 2 to 3 outriders, both a Kodiak and a Polar bear are bigger and stronger and just as fast. And that's really the only point I need to stand by my stance, when confronted with more than one person of equal stats, Cap lost.

Y'all can fanboy all you want, Cap lost to 2-3 beings of equal stats and now he is facing 6. I am actually using proof from the movies to back my stance up. You are not

But I am not a douche and will absolutely admit when I am wrong on something, I completely stand corrected on the Ultron bots but they still seemed like fodder.

But I am standing by that if a couple of outriders can best him so can 6 large bears with better strength and better weaponry.

This is my main point every time Cap has faced an opponent of comparable stats he has had trouble (Bucky) the one time he faced more than one (the outriders) he lost. But now he is facing 6 opponents all in the superhuman range but y'all expect me to believe he is just going to roll right over them despite never having done so against another superhuman opponent in any of the Marvel movies.

The grizzly bears' stats are not comparable to Caps, they are far inferior. Hence why you're delusional.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's also about the feeling.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The grizzly bears' stats are not comparable to Caps, they are far inferior. Hence why you're delusional.
1. Cap has LOW LEVEL Superhuman strength. There is no such thing as "far" inferior strength when both beings are low superhuman strength.
2. Cap being stronger is not a defense to him being sliced and bitten.
3. Cap is only as fast as we see him (human level speed).

If we are using real world physics, why would all these animals be working together?

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm retarded

As these Bears have no feats, Cap wins by default.

Originally posted by meep-meep
If we are using real world physics, why would all these animals be working together?
Bear necessity?

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Lol. You mean the same Ultron robots that black widow and Hawkeye ripped through? That normal arrows and bullets destroyed

Vault covered this earlier.



Stop bringing up outriders who have no relevance to grizzlies. If an outrider can challenge Cap then they are stronger than Grizzly bears, full-stop.

And if you think that them being taken out by Wakandan weaponry made out of Vibranium tech then you're just an idiot.



Buddy, I am much smarter than you as literally every interaction we have had has demonstrated and can tell you almost exactly how strong they are.

A polar bear, being able to drag the carcasses of small cetaceans like orcas, which range from like six to eight tons.

They are capable of breaking skulls or punching through wood.

How strong is Cap?

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Stronger than this guy pushing a bulldozer across a field.

It's apparently a Caterpillar D9, which is 50 tons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_D9

Of course he also did this:

https://i.imgur.com/dqA9hQY.gif

Throwing a five hundred pound bike is all right, but the fact that it caved in the front of a jeep and put it to a complete stop is what makes the feat well outside the realm of a grizzly bear.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11124/111246273/5005900-ultron%20throw.gif

Punching/throwing Ultron into a concrete support, cratering it.

Lifting many tons of steel, people trying to figure out the weight seem to put it in the 25-40 ton range.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11134/111345556/6369703-cap-lift%20metal.gif



Except through the bears which are many times weaker and slower than him.



Or by killing them with his bare hands because he's much strong.



No, this is not true. They aren't faster in running, and they are laughably inferior in reaction-time to the super soldiers.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11134/111345556/6388102-cap%20blocking%20grenade.gif

https://gfycat.com/harmoniousequalchipmunk

https://gfycat.com/descriptiveoldfashionedhookersealion-respectthreads-whowouldwin

So no, Cap will hit first and will kill the first bear hit.



Meanwhile in reality:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSTO0AffwVw#t=1m34s

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11134/111345556/6388116-cap%20surviving%20ultron%20prime%27s%20repulsor.gif

Mind showing comparable grizzly feats? Them being bigger is not valid evidence.



Kindly prove they can push fifty tons or lift 20+ off the ground, and it is merely their biology that inhibits them.

Spoiler: you can't.



Not if they beat Cap.



And you're still just a moron.

The Outriders were durable enough that many were capable of forcing themselves through a field that withstood an entire dropship land on it only a few minutes earlier, at the 0:12 second mark.

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And they were strong enough that they were actually tearing through Hulkbuster's plating, as can be seen at the 0:20 mark here:

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And Banner being a shit pilot doesn't change the power of the suit, which could casually smash through walls and even pin down one of Thanos' arms, something even people like Thor (who is one of the strongest guys in the MCU) failed to do in Endgame:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11128/111284868/6984117-captain%20marvel%20overpowered.gif

If Wakandans were taking them down, it's a testament to the power of their training and weaponry. After all, even a basic vibranium spear can stop a speeding SUV in its tracks.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CalmHeavyAmazonparrot-mobile.mp4

The outriders actually do have one undeniably bad showing.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Vault covered this earlier.



Stop bringing up outriders who have no relevance to grizzlies. If an outrider can challenge Cap then they are stronger than Grizzly bears, full-stop.

And if you think that them being taken out by Wakandan weaponry made out of Vibranium tech then you're just an idiot.



Buddy, I am much smarter than you as literally every interaction we have had has demonstrated and can tell you almost exactly how strong they are.

A polar bear, being able to drag the carcasses of small cetaceans like orcas, which range from like six to eight tons.

They are capable of breaking skulls or punching through wood.

How strong is Cap?

-pnOXuRI0vM

Stronger than this guy pushing a bulldozer across a field.

It's apparently a Caterpillar D9, which is 50 tons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar_D9

Of course he also did this:

https://i.imgur.com/dqA9hQY.gif

Throwing a five hundred pound bike is all right, but the fact that it caved in the front of a jeep and put it to a complete stop is what makes the feat well outside the realm of a grizzly bear.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11124/111246273/5005900-ultron%20throw.gif

Punching/throwing Ultron into a concrete support, cratering it.

Lifting many tons of steel, people trying to figure out the weight seem to put it in the 25-40 ton range.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11134/111345556/6369703-cap-lift%20metal.gif



Except through the bears which are many times weaker and slower than him.



Or by killing them with his bare hands because he's much strong.



No, this is not true. They aren't faster in running, and they are laughably inferior in reaction-time to the super soldiers.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11134/111345556/6388102-cap%20blocking%20grenade.gif

https://gfycat.com/harmoniousequalchipmunk

https://gfycat.com/descriptiveoldfashionedhookersealion-respectthreads-whowouldwin

So no, Cap will hit first and will kill the first bear hit.



Meanwhile in reality:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSTO0AffwVw#t=1m34s

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11134/111345556/6388116-cap%20surviving%20ultron%20prime%27s%20repulsor.gif

Mind showing comparable grizzly feats? Them being bigger is not valid evidence.



Kindly prove they can push fifty tons or lift 20+ off the ground, and it is merely their biology that inhibits them.

Spoiler: you can't.



Not if they beat Cap.



And you're still just a moron.

Cap never pushed the bulldozer. He doesn't get someone else's feat.

We all know that Cap has the strength to hurt the bears and is stronger than them.
The problem is that they have the tools to kill Cap very quickly.

Shut up retard

Originally posted by NemeBro
Shut up retard

People who can't debate or don't know how to rebutt arguments say things like that.

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap never pushed the bulldozer. He doesn't get someone else's feat.


Bro, what the f**k?

Originally posted by h1a8
People who can't debate or don't know how to rebutt arguments say things like that. Shut up retard

Dethlok - Did I beat CAPTAIN AMERICA'S time?
Tester Agent - Not even close.

So being told you weren't even close to beating someone's time at the exact same test means that person never did it? Sounds like some h1 logic.

Until a grizzly can hold down a helicopter with one hand, I'm going to say that Cap Mas-Oyama's them

Originally posted by NemeBro
No, Cap would break each Grizzly's skull with a single punch each and could overpower all of them combined.

Captain American can punch through Ultron Sentires, which are made of Grade-V titanium, throw a motorcycle with enough force to destroy a jeep, and toss Ultron into a highway pillar and crater it.

Grizzlies are superhumanly strong and can run faster than any human being, yes. But that doesn't make them anywhere near as strong as Captain America.

No, Cap stomps this any way you look at it.


Just want to say, if this has been done to death with lions and tigers, that any one of these bears could take a lion or tiger. Or any big cat, really.


Not too many land animals tougher then a polar bear. An elephant, maybe.



Come to think of it, can Cap drop an elephant? They do have special guns just for them.

Originally posted by Trocity
Bro, what the f**k?

That's not a rebuttal

Originally posted by KingD19
Dethlok - Did I beat CAPTAIN AMERICA'S time?
Tester Agent - Not even close.

So being told you weren't even close to beating someone's time at the exact same test means that person never did it? Sounds like some h1 logic.

Correct!
On screen feats only.
Otherwise Superman gets his tectonic plate feat since it was stated in a newspaper article.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Until a grizzly can hold down a helicopter with one hand, I'm going to say that Cap Mas-Oyama's them

You know the max payload of that helicopter is just a few tons right? Cap used two hands.

Some pretty weird logic at play here.

I'm just gonna use the on screen feats of bears in movies then, and since a grizzly couldn't even finish off an unarmed Leonardo DiCaprio, Captain America is going to massacre these creatures.

Only skimmed this thread, but anyone who doesn't think Cap could take out any of these bears with one or two punches to the face or temple if Cap isn't holding back, is a retard who didn't pay attention to the MCU.

I'd also argue that Cap's musculature is durable enough that a full bear claw swipe or bite would do substantially less damage to him than a normal human. In fact, if a bear bite down on Cap's arm, he could effortlessly tear his arm out of the bear's mouth without ruining his arm's functions and the bear would lose its teeth in the process.

Originally posted by h1a8
Correct!
On screen feats only.
Otherwise Superman gets his tectonic plate feat since it was stated in a newspaper article. He does get it.

Originally posted by h1a8
You know the max payload of that helicopter is just a few tons right? Cap used two hands.


You're not very good at science are you?

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're not very good at science
Fixed.

Thats not a rebuttal. Until then I'm right

Everyone other than you thinks you are wrong, so go ahead and pretend.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thats not a rebuttal. Until then I'm right

Let me see if I can explain how retarded your argument is.

If you are holding 300lbs in your left hand and your right hand is holding onto a ledge. how much weight is your left hand supporting?

H1a8 is the best troll on these forums. He never breaks character, he never gets angry or abusive, and he drags everyone in. Kudos H1, you are the master.

Grizzlies win easily. They can break a cow's neck with one swing.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Grizzlies win easily. They can break a cow's neck with one swing.

So can Cap?

Originally posted by Putinbot1
H1a8 is the best troll on these forums. He never breaks character, he never gets angry or abusive, and he drags everyone in. Kudos H1, you are the master.

Only, He's gotten angry and abusive/insulting multiple times.

Originally posted by KingD19
So can Cap?

Maybe he could, but there's one of him, while there are multiple bears, each armed with claws the size of a human's finger. He can't block that. If he had his shield I'd give him the win but as it is he will be mauled to death.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Only, He's gotten angry and abusive/insulting multiple times. Nah, when he does he's having fun in response to abuse aimed at him. He never gets mad.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Nah, when he does he's having fun in response to abuse aimed at him. He never gets mad.

Sure, if that is what you need to tell yourself.

Cap lets the bears kill him, refuses to harm these noble creatures.

It must be something to me eh Nibedicus.
I see you never mention Josh or Quan or other huge trolls.
Im thinking it's something not related to trolling at all.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Let me see if I can explain how retarded your argument is.

If you are holding 300lbs in your left hand and your right hand is holding onto a ledge. how much weight is your left hand supporting?
Strawman!


Your right arm is connected to your chest which is connected to your left arm. Pulling on the legde with your right arm will pull your chest closer to the ledge which helps your left arm pull something towards you.

Originally posted by h1a8
Strawman!


Your right arm is connected to your chest which is connected to your left arm. Pulling on the legde with your right arm will pull your chest closer to the ledge which helps your left arm pull something towards you.

Answer the question.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Answer the question.

I stated Strawman! That was the rebuttal

Originally posted by h1a8
I stated Strawman! That was the rebuttal

No, that was you avoiding the question.

Originally posted by h1a8
Strawman!


Your right arm is connected to your chest which is connected to your left arm. Pulling on the legde with your right arm will pull your chest closer to the ledge which helps your left arm pull something towards you. H, mate, my arm is conected to my rotator cuff. I know because my tendonitis is freezing it right now.

Whoa. Early morning philosophy. Imma need more coffee!

Originally posted by NemeBro
I have pondered about this very subject, and have a thought of a few qualities that make a good troll, like rhetoric (how well you can sell bullshit), humor (how funny your trolling is), persona protection (never admit you're a troll and never break character), and perhaps the most important category, ragebaiting (how much you actually make people angry).

h1 is honestly not that impressive of a troll IMHO. See, no one is really butthurt by the things he says for the most part. There's very little anger. People laugh at him and think he's a retard and then proceed to taunt and troll him. They're having fun when they respond to his shitty posts. So even if he's trolling, while he's capturing attention he isn't seen as threatening enough to really piss people off.

In that regard he's sort of like a poor man's quanchi. Quan is similarly a low-effort volume poster troll, but has a level of aggression that actually manages to piss people off. Mostly stupid people mind you, but still.

Tbh only bias or stupid people think I troll when in actuality I actually debate (dont ignore evidence that is brought to my attention, always address someone's points, etc).

If someone state something you disagree with then you post a rebuttal. Debating is simple.

People who refuse to debate the proper way are the trolls.

Shut up retard

^ This is the proper way to address h1 btw. Don't spend more effort addressing his posts than he does making them.

You almost never debate, that's why you always turn down BZ's. because you know judges won't put up with your troll tactics.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I have pondered about this very subject, and have a thought of a few qualities that make a good troll, like rhetoric (how well you can sell bullshit), humor (how funny your trolling is), persona protection (never admit you're a troll and never break character), and perhaps the most important category, ragebaiting (how much you actually make people angry).

h1 is honestly not that impressive of a troll IMHO. See, no one is really butthurt by the things he says for the most part. There's very little anger. People laugh at him and think he's a retard and then proceed to taunt and troll him. They're having fun when they respond to his shitty posts. So even if he's trolling, while he's capturing attention he isn't seen as threatening enough to really piss people off.

In that regard he's sort of like a poor man's quanchi. Quan is similarly a low-effort volume poster troll, but has a level of aggression that actually manages to piss people off. Mostly stupid people mind you, but still. Who can create the most rage on these forums in your opinion Neme?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Shut up retard

^ This is the proper way to address h1 btw. Don't spend more effort addressing his posts than he does making them.

It's clear that you are the retard.

Anyway Cap loses. He can take down some bears before being gravely injured though

Originally posted by h1a8
Anyway Cap loses. He can take down some bears before being gravely injured though

Post the bears feats that you base this on.

^^^haha, bear feats.

Made imagine bears wearing nothing but socks.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^haha, bear feats.

Made imagine bears wearing nothing but socks.

h1 forgets the forum's rule of "Movie feats only".

Originally posted by Silent Master
Post the bears feats that you base this on. these bears are smarter than the average bear booboo

Originally posted by riv6672

But, isn't he the one that said "onscreen feats only" just a page ago?

In any case, feats wouldn't be that hard to find. Post the bear attack from THE REVENANT; there are a ton of grizzly vids on YouTube.
You know, some type of evidence, instead of the usual unsubstantiated opinions.

He is, but he is also known to employ massive double standards.

Can't mix and match feats, only feats performed by those in the thread count. so h1 can only post feats from the THE REVENANT if the OP stated that was one of the bears involved.

Even though it goes against his own standards, I'd be willing to let him use random bear feats. That is, as long as he admits this is going against his own stated debate standards.

It'll only turn into a vicious circle if he's dishonest.

^^^So, viscous circle it is, then.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Who can create the most rage on these forums in your opinion Neme? Robtard, maybe. He's had quite a few people follow him from thread to thread taking butthurt shots in and has even managed to do this to other trolls like quan.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Post the bears feats that you base this on.

Post proof that bears can bite and claw?

cap one shots the grizzlies

I always enjoy being proven right, thank you.

cap fought Loki, Ultron and Thanos 1v1 and took hits from all three with no lasting effect, he could dummy a bunch of bears, so long as he didn't try and slug it out with them

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
cap one shots the grizzlies
There are multiple bears here, he will get bitten or clawed.

Originally posted by relentless1
cap fought Loki, Ultron and Thanos 1v1 and took hits from all three with no lasting effect, he could dummy a bunch of bears, so long as he didn't try and slug it out with them

Yet, but bullets and knives can penetrate his flesh with utmost eased.

Originally posted by h1a8
Feats are irrelevant as we all know that a bear's teeth and claws can bypass Cap's flesh with ease. Only a troll would ask for bear feats.

If cap just stood there and let a bear bite him of course it would injure him. That is the only way for him to lose here.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's also about the feeling. What did we feel when we seen those scenes? I most certainly felt those bots were scrap metal in some scenes.

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Originally posted by h1a8
There are multiple bears here, he will get bitten or clawed.


your ignorance won't on me, you moronic troll


those of us who have actually seen Cap fight in the movies know how durable he is.. we have watched him move around and not just stand there..

yea Cap one shots these bears

Originally posted by NemeBro
Robtard, maybe. He's had quite a few people follow him from thread to thread taking butthurt shots in and has even managed to do this to other trolls like quan. Yeah Rob would be my choice too.

Originally posted by Surtur
If cap just stood there and let a bear bite him of course it would injure him. That is the only way for him to lose here. He can't prevent that from happening as there are too many bears here and Cap moves with human level speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
He can't prevent that from happening as there are too many bears here and Cap moves with human level speed.

Prove the bears are fast and skilled enough to land attacks.

Burden of proof falls on you to validate your claim.
And, you have no proof. Got it.

Anyone who claims the character of MCU Captain America isn't intended to be portrayed with a degree of enhanced speed is a borderline retard.

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Where's Shadowfyre? Is h1 the only one left to defend the honor of grizzly bears?

Originally posted by h1a8
Actually you need prove that he moves faster since no scene shows him moving faster than a human can.

Cap being human level speed and the bears being in multiples prove it.

H1 we'll go to his grave claiming Cap is only peak human. Even though he gets bombarded constantly with countless of Cap feats thrown in his face throughout the years that prove otherwise.
Like a feats bukkake he takes over and over without flinching.

Also, thanks to this clip (at 0:48), we know the Black Panther is canonically superhuman in the MCU (including speed). So, anyone who is depicted as a direct peer to them (like in the gif I posted where Cap and T'Challa leave the sprinting Wakandan soldiers in their dust) would logically also be.

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Writer's intent is clear. It's just common sense.

Originally posted by Inhuman
H1 we'll go to his grave claiming Cap is only peak human. Even though he gets bombarded constantly with countless of Cap feats thrown in his face throughout the years that prove otherwise.
Like a feats bukkake he takes over and over without flinching.

We are arguing speed, not strength.
You are deflecting.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Anyone who claims the character of MCU Captain America isn't intended to be portrayed with a degree of enhanced speed is a borderline retard.

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We go by visual speed, otherwise Baleman is superhumanly fast.
Cap nor WS never fought with superhuman speed. Also, regular humans were able to respond to their attacks.

Originally posted by riv6672
Burden of proof falls on you to validate your claim.
And, you have no proof. Got it.

Characters aren't given SPECIFIC ATTRIBUTES without proof.
No proof = no special ability.

You have to prove that Cap has superhuman level fighting speed.
Otherwise he does not.

People have posted multiple feats for Cap, where are the bears feats?

Originally posted by Silent Master
People have posted multiple feats for Cap, where are the bears feats?

People post feats to prove a character has an ability.
Bears have the ability to bite and claw. Everyone knows that. Only a troll asks for proof that Bears can bite and claw through flesh.

Originally posted by h1a8
People post feats to prove a character has an ability.
Bears have the ability to bite and claw. Everyone knows that. Only a troll asks for proof that Bears can bite and claw through flesh.

What you're doing is called strawmaning. Nobody has asked for proof that bears have the ability to bite or claw. We are asking for proof that they can do it to someone of Captain America's skill and stats.

Now are you going to actually provide proof for your side of the argument or you just going to keep trolling?

Originally posted by Silent Master
What you're doing is called strawmaning. Nobody has asked for proof that bears have the ability to bite or claw. We are asking for proof that they can do it to someone of Captain America's skill and stats.

Now are you going to actually provide proof for your side of the argument or you just going to keep trolling?

Caps stats are of human level fighting speed. No amount of skill will prevent all of these bears from biting/clawing the shit out of Cap.

Originally posted by h1a8
Caps stats are of human level fighting speed. No amount of skill will prevent all of these bears from biting/clawing the shit out of Cap.

Prove it.

Originally posted by h1a8
People post feats to prove a character has an ability.
Bears have the ability to bite and claw. Everyone knows that. Only a troll asks for proof that Bears can bite and claw through flesh.

You could still provide feats. Lots of animals have claws and can bite, but it's not like they all hit and bite with the same force. My cat has the ability to bite and claw too.

When it comes to speed you could point out the fastest bears move around 40 mph and Usain Bolt's top speed is 27 mph, so bears can move quicker than humans.

Doesn't mean they beat Cap(they can't) but you could provide feats. They have a bite strength of around 1,200 psi and when it comes to pure strength can lift a little over 1,000 lbs.

If you do research, a helicopter can weigh anywhere from 1,000 lbs to 10,000 lbs. So note that Cap's helicopter feat had the copter actively resisting, so it's not even the same as just moving a helicopter that isn't turned on trying to fly away.

Originally posted by Surtur
You could still provide feats. Lots of animals have claws and can bite, but it's not like they all hit and bite with the same force. My cat has the ability to bite and claw too.

When it comes to speed you could point out the fastest bears move around 40 mph and Usain Bolt's top speed is 27 mph, so bears can move quicker than humans.

Doesn't mean they beat Cap(they can't) but you could provide feats. They have a bite strength of around 1,200 psi and when it comes to pure strength can lift a little over 1,000 lbs.

If you do research, a helicopter can weigh anywhere from 1,000 lbs to 10,000 lbs. So note that Cap's helicopter feat had the copter actively resisting, so it's not even the same as just moving a helicopter that isn't turned on trying to fly away.

Running speed is irrelevant. We are talking about fighting speed. Cap moves as fast as a human when fighting. You need to move far faster than a human to prevent all 5 bears from biting or clawing you. I'm not saying Cap doesn't have the strength to take down a bear, he does. But he is outnumbered and will get bitten or clawed.

Bite force is irrelevant. Bears teeth and claws can bypass Caps flesh with ease. Once they do then Cap will bleed out.

That particular helicopter has a max payload of a few tons. Cap wasn't pulling against the weight, he was pulling against the residual force that the helicopter was pulling with. Like I said, that particular helicopter can only pull a few tons.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Prove it.

Characters don't get special attributes without proof. You must prove that Cap is fast enough to not get bitten or clawed by any of the 5 Bears.

Originally posted by h1a8
Running speed is irrelevant. We are talking about fighting speed. Cap moves as fast as a human when fighting. You need to move far faster than a human to prevent all 5 bears from biting or clawing you. I'm not saying Cap doesn't have the strength to take down a bear, he does. But he is outnumbered and will get bitten or clawed.

Bite force is irrelevant. Bears teeth and claws can bypass Caps flesh with ease. Once they do then Cap will bleed out.

You missed my point...which was that you can list stuff for bears.



A bear doesn't the strength to do it.

Originally posted by h1a8
Characters don't get special attributes without proof. You must prove that Cap is fast enough to not get bitten or clawed by any of the 5 Bears.

No, you have to prove the bears are fast and skilled enough to land their attacks. Since that is your claim.

We can use his own standard. He admitted running speed doesn't matter. I'm sure he has proof of a bears fighting speed.

Can't believe the thread has lasted this long. Cap could literally grab a grizzly with each hand and chuck them several hundred yards to their deaths.

If the bears had human intelligence and could form into some voltron-like super bear they could win this fight.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Can't believe the thread has lasted this long. Cap could literally grab a grizzly with each hand and chuck them several hundred yards to their deaths.

That's called make believe.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, you have to prove the bears are fast and skilled enough to land their attacks. Since that is your claim.

Cap has human level fighting speed. Therefore they are automatically fast enough to land attacks.

Originally posted by Surtur
We can use his own standard. He admitted running speed doesn't matter. I'm sure he has proof of a bears fighting speed.

Let's not troll debate common sense things. This is at least 5 bears here.

Feats or it didn't happen.

Cap kills them without thinking

Originally posted by Silent Master
Feats or it didn't happen.

There are 3 it movies. So it happened.

FFS.. Cap one shots these grizzlies...

FFS.. Cap spinkicks them

FFS.... Cap wins period

Originally posted by h1a8
There are 3 it movies. So it happened.

Your attempt at being witty, much like your attempts at debate, have failed

Originally posted by Surtur
If the bears had human intelligence and could form into some voltron-like super bear they could win this fight.

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Originally posted by h1a8
Let's not troll debate common sense things. This is at least 5 bears here.

How fast can a bear punch?! What is a bears reflex speed?!

Originally posted by Silent Master
Your attempt at being witty, much like your attempts at debate, have failed

I wasn't being witty. I was pointing out your flaw in English, using pronouns without an antecedent.

Originally posted by Surtur
How fast can a bear punch?! What is a bears reflex speed?!

Troll attempt. The argument is that it would take superhuman fighting speed to prevent all 5 bears from landing an attack.

You talk about trolling in a thread where you said this:

Originally posted by h1a8
It's also about the feeling. What did we feel when we seen those scenes? I most certainly felt those bots were scrap metal in some scenes.

See the problem?

The main problem is that people seem to think that A) the bears will act as a cohesive unit and attack him all at once, taking advantage of their numbers to swarm Cap from all angles. When in reality, all these different species of bear will probably be clawing at each other to lay claim on Cap, hurting or killing themselves before they even get to him.

And B) that Cap can't punch or kick really hard and absolutely destroy whatever part of whatever bear he hits.(Skull=Dead, Forelimb=useless, etc...) Then use his far superior speed to back up a bit, and take out the next one.

For some reason you guys seem to think that 6 Apex creatures who are all solitary hunters and the biggest thing around will just easily put all instinct aside and work together like a SWAT team.

Originally posted by h1a8
I wasn't being witty. I was pointing out your flaw in English, using pronouns without an antecedent.

So what you're saying is that you were too stupid to know what I was talking about.

Ok, I'll keep your lack of intellect in mind.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So what you're saying is that you were too stupid to know what I was talking about.

Ok, I'll keep your lack of intellect in mind.

"It" can refer to anything. It's currently impossible to know what you are thinking without you telling us. That’s why we use antecedents. We can guess without being 100% certain.

Like I said, I'll keep your lack of intellect in mind.

Originally posted by h1a8
"It" can refer to anything. It's currently impossible to know what you are thinking without you telling us. That’s why we use antecedents. We can guess without being 100% certain.

Why don't you tell us what you *feel* it is?

Originally posted by Surtur
Why don't you tell us what you *feel* it is?
Because I don't want to.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Like I said, I'll keep your lack of intellect in mind.

Lack of using antecedents before pronouns is a sign of lack of intelligence.

No more feelz over realz?

Originally posted by h1a8
Lack of using antecedents before pronouns is a sign of lack of intelligence.

Your obvious attempts to derail the thread in order to hide the fact that you've been unable to back up your argument has been noted.

Kudos H1 you got people to argue this for 8 pages.

Holy hell this thing is still going?
Nice job ppl, keeping h1 arguing this long!

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Pssshhhh H1 has nothing on quan, who will be wrong and still argue for 100 pages or more...getting dunked on over and over.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Kudos H1 you got people to argue this for 8 pages.
People are trolling for 8 pages. There is no rebuttal to my argument. They can't prove that Cap is fast enough to prevent every bear from biting or clawing him. He does not have his shield here.

Think of the outriders scene, but without a shield.
That shield saved Cap and there were only two or three outriders against Cap, not 5.

Now if Cap has a shield against say 3 bears then he easily wins. But he has NO SHIELD and is against at least 5 bears. He gets bitten or clawed.