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I haven't seen the movie, but based on spoilers I read this shouldn't even be a question

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
I haven't seen the movie, but based on spoilers I read this shouldn't even be a question

I feel the same way. Broly is forcing people to say something they are gonna hate saying. Well played bro, well played.

I know that's not your actual intentions but it's gonna be funny watching some people try to worm their way out of who is the most powerful.

As someone that has not seen the new movie and pretending like I haven't read the spoilers in the thread I'm gonna say Yoda or Palpatine. I know like and Anakin were supposed to be stronger but I just feel like Yoda should ****ing work anyone on this list and he always will in my head.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
I haven't seen the movie, but based on spoilers I read this shouldn't even be a question

I mean though, can you really count it, since it seemed like a one off amp? I dunno if that power would be kept around forever, that would make things rather trivial for whatever comes next...if there is a next.

kek

It's Rey now. Suck on that incels.

I have zero problem with a female being the most powerful and I find it odd that some guys on here do. As long as it is done right.

There is no problem with it. The issue is, it's not done right. Rey has no reason to be as absurdly powerful as she is. None.

Technically though isnt this is stalemate given Rey died as a result of killing Palpatine. But yeah this is between Rey and Palpatine. The bottom three have no business being on this list anymore.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Technically though isnt this is stalemate given Rey died as a result of killing Palpatine. But yeah this is between Rey and Palpatine. The bottom three have no business being on this list anymore.

Rey was already near-death due to Palpatine draining her. A fresh Rey would have killed him even easier probably with her Jedi Spirit amp.

Definitely not Bane

Jar-Jar.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Rey was already near-death due to Palpatine draining her. A fresh Rey would have killed him even easier probably with her Jedi Spirit amp.


Hmm... Possibly... But then given he did that to her with his own power, that should count for this contest.

Originally posted by carthage
Definitely not Bane


Cool thing is it doesnt matter now what Old Republic stuff they make canon, any old Sith can never compete with Prime Palps given he inherited their power on top of his own.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Hmm... Possibly... But then given he did that to her with his own power, that should count for this contest.

Did he? He told her all the Sith lived in him before Ben showed up. So a massively amped Sidious can drain Rey and Ben, but as soon as Rey got an equal amp she steamrolled him.

I mean if we're including amps in this then....ok is it still not Anakin, considering he controlled the Son and Daughter?

Is full potential Anakin > every Sith or Jedi ever?

Originally posted by Psychotron
Is full potential Anakin > every Sith or Jedi ever? Every sith or jedi ever would include Anakin, so I doubt it. Logically, Amped Rey >>>>> Full Potential Anakin

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Every sith or jedi ever would include Anakin, so I doubt it. Logically, Amped Rey >>>>> Full Potential Anakin

Sure...but I mean by feats, forcing the literal embodiments of The Force to bend to one's will is certainly better than what Rey did.

I guess though if we're going by implications than yeah, amped Rey would be superior. I guess this all depends on what we're going with and if we're including them to begin with.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Did he? He told her all the Sith lived in him before Ben showed up. So a massively amped Sidious can drain Rey and Ben, but as soon as Rey got an equal amp she steamrolled him.


Point is she couldnt walk into the fight amped. So the drain counts.

Also not convinced the drain had any lasting effect after she got amped.

Originally posted by ares834
There is no problem with it. The issue is, it's not done right. Rey has no reason to be as absurdly powerful as she is. None. Precisely. The way they did it in this movie comes off like a really really really bad fanfic. You're all the sith ever? Well I'm all the jedi ever!!! So lame.

I kinda wish they would all just stick to the powers we are used to. This shit is ridiculous

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Precisely. The way they did it in this movie comes off like a really really really bad fanfic. You're all the sith ever? Well I'm all the jedi ever!!! So lame.

Like some elementary school playground fantasy fight.

"HA! I have special armor that blocks your attack!"

"Oh yeah? Well I have this special sword that can cut through your special armor!"

...Oh snap, maybe that's what they did! They went to an elementary school during recess, which is how they got the idea for the final encounter.

its rey lol

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Point is she couldnt walk into the fight amped. So the drain counts.

Also not convinced the drain had any lasting effect after she got amped.

Well of course, the Jedi spirits hadn't decided to help yet. But an argument could be made that Palpatine only managed to drain them because he was heavily amped. Her spirit amp just evened the odds. Also, he said something about their bond being a dyad in the Force, which is why he could drain them and restore himself in the first place.

Why wouldn't it? She was half-dead before the spirits revived her. There's no way that wasn't a factor. Once Sidious was dead the spirits left her body, right?

This movie sounds f*cking awful. Dumb shit about spirit amps. The f*ck.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Well of course, the Jedi spirits hadn't decided to help yet. But an argument could be made that Palpatine only managed to drain them because he was heavily amped. Her spirit amp just evened the odds. Also, he said something about their bond being a dyad in the Force, which is why he could drain them and restore himself in the first place.

Why wouldn't it? She was half-dead before the spirits revived her. There's no way that wasn't a factor. Once Sidious was dead the spirits left her body, right?

A dyad? Gonna have to look that up real quick.


Ok so something with two parts? So they literally shared the same power, which I am assuming now that all Jedi and Sith did which is probably why the sith wanted to kill the jedi

No. It's unique to Kylo and Rey. Grandpa Palpatine says a Force Dyad hasn't existed for a long time.

Do they legit use the word dyad?

Rey and her underused meat flaps.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Rey was already near-death due to Palpatine draining her. A fresh Rey would have killed him even easier probably with her Jedi Spirit amp.

This and there is no questioning this.

Originally posted by Psychotron

Why wouldn't it? She was half-dead before the spirits revived her. There's no way that wasn't a factor. Once Sidious was dead the spirits left her body, right?

Yeah but the Spirits revived her, and made her more powerful than ever. There was zero indication the drain was still effecting her at that point, So its a moot point.

OR they left her body because she was dying.

Originally posted by Surtur
Do they legit use the word dyad?


yes they did

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Precisely. The way they did it in this movie comes off like a really really really bad fanfic. You're all the sith ever? Well I'm all the jedi ever!!! So lame.
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I kinda wish they would all just stick to the powers we are used to. This shit is ridiculous

The way they went DBZ OP levels with the force is stupid and reminded me of EU headcanon force feats.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah but the Spirits revived her, and made her more powerful than ever. There was zero indication the drain was still effecting her at that point, So its a moot point.

OR they left her body because she was dying.

The way I interpreted it is that she and Sidious were simply channeling their power, while the spirits were inside them. So as soon as they left she went back into the state she was in (dying from the drain) until Ben healed her.

abeloth and the father

Writers were never scared of going all OP. The EU writers did that all the time. But Lucas always gave force powers a reality check on the movies and even in TCW...

Star Wars isnt a superhero franchise.

I personally always felt like the Jedi (the more powerful ones anyway) should top out at about the level they were in the Gendy series. Going by just the movies, though, Rey is the most powerful. It didn't hurt that they flat out retconned certain aspects of the force to make it happen, but it is what it is.

But I guess unlike Palpatine, Reys amp was a one off temp one right?

Standard Rey was still beaten by Kylo.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
But I guess unlike Palpatine, Reys amp was a one off temp one right?

Standard Rey was still beaten by Kylo.

At the end, sure, but earlier in the movie she was pulling ships out of the sky and intuiting the use of Force Lightning. That alone is almost enough to put her above everyone bar the most powerful users.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
But I guess unlike Palpatine, Reys amp was a one off temp one right?

Standard Rey was still beaten by Kylo.

She was losing a lightsaber duel, but she's better than him in a raw force abilities judging by the ship feat.

I seem to remember her stabbing kylo in the stomach when they fought. I hardly call that losing

Originally posted by -Pr-
At the end, sure, but earlier in the movie she was pulling ships out of the sky and intuiting the use of Force Lightning. That alone is almost enough to put her above everyone bar the most powerful users.


Going by pure feats on inanimate objects? Yeah maybe. But we still have to powerscale.

I remember in Rebels 2 Inquistors also held off a ship with its engines on. And the likes of Ahsoka and Maul were well beyond Inquisitors.

And despite that feat of Reys, Kylo still beat her, and he never actually displayed Force Lightning, despite being a dark sider fr so long.

But yeah force lightning in general was still wayyy too OP in this film.


Originally posted by Psychotron
She was losing a lightsaber duel, but she's better than him in a raw force abilities judging by the ship feat.


Thats possible. Like Mace Windu best Palpatine in a Saber duel, but clearly wasnt his equal in the Force.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
But yeah force lightning in general was still wayyy too OP in this film.

Standard Palps has made Yoda drop his lightsaber with FL

A feat Super-powered Palps apparently wasn't capable of...

^ LMAO

If this is Disney-version then the answer is obviously Rey, 'cause of her uterus.

If it's EU, then the most powerful Force user isn't even listed in the poll.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
But I guess unlike Palpatine, Reys amp was a one off temp one right?

Standard Rey was still beaten by Kylo. Maybe I'm missed something, but where was the amp said to be temporary? There literally doesn't seem to be anything stopping it from happening again.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Maybe I'm missed something, but where was the amp said to be temporary? There literally doesn't seem to be anything stopping it from happening again.

Seems like a one off, otherwise any future threat would be trivial if she can just call upon all the Jedi whenever. Or it'll delude it down the line, making it end up being not so special.

Seemed to me like it was a one-off/moment of crisis sort of thing... But I suppose she could technically gain the amp again IF she encountered a threat on one-Sith Palpatine's level(which seems unlikely.)

Only problem is the power/effort might kill her again... Except next time Ben won't be around to resurrect her.

Originally posted by Galan007


Seemed to me like it was a one-off/moment of crisis sort of thing... But I suppose she could technically gain the amp again.

Only problem is it might kill her again... Except next time Ben won't be around to resurrect her.

Unless she somehow gets over that problem too.

But then, that would just delude it. I honestly doubt many writers would even incorporate it, given the risks.

Rey is so OP that I honestly wouldn't be surprised if she resurrected herself AFTER she died, lol.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Seems like a one off, otherwise any future threat would be trivial if she can just call upon all the Jedi whenever. Or it'll delude it down the line, making it end up being not so special. It's not like it was a freak accident or a scene of immense tension like Kanan fighting Maul. All of the Jedi consciously gave her their power. I don't see anything stopping them from doing it again other than "the Holdo maneuver is one in a million" lampshading.

Yeah, she should be able to stop any threat now, but with force ghost being to physically interact with the world now, that should be the case regardless of whether Rey is around or not.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
It's not like it was a freak accident or a scene of immense tension like Kanan fighting Maul. All of the Jedi consciously gave her their power. I don't see anything stopping them from doing it again other than "the Holdo maneuver is one in a million" lampshading.

Yeah, she should be able to stop any threat now, but with force ghost being to physically interact with the world now, that should be the case regardless of whether Rey is around or not.

...Yeah that's also a thing, which means either writers is just gonna have to flat out ignore that stuff...which seems possibly, it's not like the movies themselves haven't already ignored stuff, so why should the writers have to follow anything anyway?

Or they have to come up with some convenient way that the Ghosts just up and disappear, like a limited timespan they can be within the physical world before fully dissipating...or whatever. Which granted this was also a thing in previous Canon and since writers and the like just keep pulling stuff from it, it would probably be the most logical sense to go.

Originally posted by -Pr-
At the end, sure, but earlier in the movie she was pulling ships out of the sky and intuiting the use of Force Lightning. That alone is almost enough to put her above everyone bar the most powerful users.

This is correct

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Thats possible. Like Mace Windu best Palpatine in a Saber duel, but clearly wasnt his equal in the Force.

We have to remember that Kylo had trained for many years as a Jedi and Sith, while Rey about a year of training under Leia. Her lightsaber skills aren't going to be as refined as Kylo's but her raw Force power is superior. Poor lad has been giving it his all to the dark side and he can't conjure Force lightning, while Rey gets a little bit angry and destroys a whole ship with it.

Originally posted by Psychotron
but her raw Force power is superior.


It shouldnt be though given hes a Skywalker and her merely a Palpatine. Skywalkers > Palpatines in potential and raw power.

The superior training is supposedly moot due to the Dyad nonsense between them. He can do whatever she can (force healing), and her whatever he can (force mind control in Force Awakens before she had any training). I know its stupid, but that appears to be their explanation for her Mary Sueness.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
It shouldnt be though given hes a Skywalker and her merely a Palpatine. Skywalkers > Palpatines in potential and raw power.

The superior training is supposedly moot due to the Dyad nonsense between them. He can do whatever she can (force healing), and her whatever he can (force mind control in Force Awakens before she had any training). I know its stupid, but that appears to be their explanation for her Mary Sueness.

I suppose it was better than them just going "well she has a vagina" as the explanation.

Which, in reality, is the explanation lol. I'm shocked there was no "midichlorian counts are always higher in females" explanation. "Women can give birth to new life so they can tap into the force in ways men can't!".

I am.

4 votes for Anakin

Originally posted by Darth Thor
It shouldnt be though given hes a Skywalker and her merely a Palpatine. Skywalkers > Palpatines in potential and raw power.



Definitely not this

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
4 votes for Anakin


I didnt vote him but its not a ridiculous notion if you Watch the Mortis episodes of TCW.


Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Definitely not this


You can try arguing my points but you will lose

Please wait...

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I didnt vote him but its not a ridiculous notion if you Watch the Mortis episodes of TCW.





You can try arguing my points but you will lose

What points? There is zero evidence to take the side that Anakin is stronger than Sideous.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
What points? There is zero evidence to take the side that Anakin is stronger than Sideous.


Mortis.

Like I said, I did not vote him, but there is an argument to be made that Anakin at his very peak was stronger.

Besides thats not what you disagreed with. You disagreed with my assessment (which is engrained in lore), that Skywalker potential is > Palpatine potential. Hence my logical conclusion from that Standard Kylo is > Standard Rey. So can you kindly explain which part of that are you disagreeing with and why.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
It shouldnt be though given hes a Skywalker and her merely a Palpatine. Skywalkers > Palpatines in potential and raw power.

The superior training is supposedly moot due to the Dyad nonsense between them. He can do whatever she can (force healing), and her whatever he can (force mind control in Force Awakens before she had any training). I know its stupid, but that appears to be their explanation for her Mary Sueness.

I don't think it works that way. Luke, for example, ended up being pretty weak.

I thought it was because the Force auto-leveled her to Kylo's level to achieve balance. That's what Snoke said in TLJ. It's dumb either way.

Originally posted by Psychotron
1)I don't think it works that way. Luke, for example, ended up being pretty weak.

2)I thought it was because the Force auto-leveled her to Kylo's level to achieve balance. That's what Snoke said in TLJ. It's dumb either way.

1) Was Luke weak? He defeated Vader after like 3-4 years of mostly training himself.

2) I think force auto-levelling up has been retconned by making her A Palpatine. Now I take Snokes meaning in TLJ as a powerful Lightsider would rise up to take on Kylo. He thought it meant Luke would come out of hiding. But instead the Force chose Palpatines granddaughter to embrace the Light side and challenge Kylo.

And I believe their bond or Dyad between the 2 of them helped Rey learn to use the force faster to keep up with Kylos level of skill and force mastery.

Come on, go rewatch his last fight with Vader. For NO REASON Vader just drops to one knee. He wanted to die.

Originally posted by Surtur
Come on, go rewatch his last fight with Vader. For NO REASON Vader just drops to one knee. He wanted to die.


Bad choreography isnt an excuse. But hey Luke was in a rage.

Although he was beating him earlier as well.

I just don't see any logical reason for him to drop to one knee. I don't get it.

Re-watch it, it's not even like Luke strikes him super hard and he immediately goes down. It is a conscious choice lol.

Honestly it was just bad choreography. I wouldnt look too much into it.

He wanted to die. He wanted to either rule the Galaxy with Luke, or joint Luke in destroying the Emperor. But there wasnt a middle ground where he was suicidal and wanted Luke to kill him and join the Emperor without him.

Just watched the new Star Wars and i'll go with Rey with the amp and Yoda if its normal settings.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
1) Was Luke weak? He defeated Vader after like 3-4 years of mostly training himself.

2) I think force auto-levelling up has been retconned by making her A Palpatine. Now I take Snokes meaning in TLJ as a powerful Lightsider would rise up to take on Kylo. He thought it meant Luke would come out of hiding. But instead the Force chose Palpatines granddaughter to embrace the Light side and challenge Kylo.

And I believe their bond or Dyad between the 2 of them helped Rey learn to use the force faster to keep up with Kylos level of skill and force mastery.

1) It could be argued that Vader was just holding back. I mean, I thought Luke she be the strongest of the Jedi, but TLJ kinda ruined that by having him die from creating an illusion. Meanwhile, Snoke apparently destroyed his temple with lightning from light years away without breaking a sweat, and Snoke is just a creation of Palpatine.

2)Eh, I guess. I don't remember anyone saying that their bond was what allowed her to learn so fast, though it would be a nice retcon. I'm not going to rewatch the movie to find out because I don't care about Disney Star Wars anymore.

Originally posted by Psychotron
1) It could be argued that Vader was just holding back. I mean, I thought Luke she be the strongest of the Jedi, but TLJ kinda ruined that by having him die from creating an illusion. Meanwhile, Snoke apparently destroyed his temple with lightning from light years away without breaking a sweat, and Snoke is just a creation of Palpatine.

2)Eh, I guess. I don't remember anyone saying that their bond was what allowed her to learn so fast, though it would be a nice retcon. I'm not going to rewatch the movie to find out because I don't care about Disney Star Wars anymore.

1) Could be, but its all we have to go on for Luke. That said even if Vader was holding back, he can still defend himself against Lukes onslaught, so still a good feat for a guy who essentially trained himself in a few years.
As for Snoke, he was killed pretty easily by Kylo once he got the chance. And if we are going by comics, Luke shook a Star Destroyer without even realising and that was pre-ESB. The Kylo comic also stated Luke screwed Snoke up pretty bad.

2) I may be giving the films way too much credit. Youre right they didnt specifically say that. But im just making sense of the info weve been given. But JJ did imply the question of why Rey learned so quick would be answered.

Originally posted by Psychotron
1) It could be argued that Vader was just holding back.

Correct - Vader was holding back.

The novel The Courtship Of Princess Leia already settled that debate long ago.

Plus, for people who want to argue that Vader wasn't holding back - Vader's TK was Yoda-level and he could have just crushed Luke to death if he wanted to.

With that being obvious, it's very obvious Vader was holding back - and Luke said as much, years later.



Originally posted by Psychotron

I'm not going to rewatch the movie to find out because I don't care about Disney Star Wars anymore.

Held back? From what?

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Held back? From what?

Killing him, 'cause he loved him.

https://pa1.narvii.com/6084/0b081d42f9462855ee9bfae44bd543bf91db14e4_hq.gif

Originally posted by Lighter332
Correct - Vader was holding back.

The novel The Courtship Of Princess Leia already settled that debate long ago.

Plus, for people who want to argue that Vader wasn't holding back - Vader's TK was Yoda-level and he could have just crushed Luke to death if he wanted to.

With that being obvious, it's very obvious Vader was holding back - and Luke said as much, years later.



Not canon.

But he may well have held back on his TK.

Still a great showing of Saber prowess for Luke besting Vader.

Originally posted by Lighter332
Killing him, 'cause he loved him.

https://pa1.narvii.com/6084/0b081d42f9462855ee9bfae44bd543bf91db14e4_hq.gif



https://tinyurl.com/uqquvkj

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Neither of them was giving it his best.

Luke went berserk near the end, but played defensive before that.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Not canon.

It doesn't contradict anything in the films - no reason why it wouldn't be Canon.


Originally posted by Darth Thor

But he may well have held back on his TK.

He has Yoda-level TK, so of course he held back.



Originally posted by Darth Thor

Still a great showing of Saber prowess for Luke besting Vader.

For Luke besting a guy who was clearly holding back? Nah...

Luke was a decent swordsman for being mostly self-taught - but he would lose in seconds against Qui-Gon Jinn or Padawan Kenobi.

Hell, Luke would lose in seconds against Padawan Anakin.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Who thinks Palpatine could have landed the crashing ship in Rots with just the force

No.

Anyway, the most powerful is still the Father.

1. The Father
2. Mortis!Anakin
3/4. The Son and Daughter
5/6. Avatar State Sheev and Avatar State Rey

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Poll Kathlean Kennedy

Snoke is the most powerful hands down.

Originally posted by Eon Blue
Snoke is the most powerful hands down. Who?

His brain broke from Snoke's overwhelming power of doing nothing and dieing uselessly.

The Father and abeloth

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Yeah - it is right.

Here's a little Padawan defeating half a squad of Elite Clone Troopers:

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Now here's Luke nearly getting owned by a single fodder-mook:

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2017-10/10/17/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane-03/anigif_sub-buzz-25348-1507672150-1.gif

Padawan Anakin has about 100 times the speed and skill of Zett Jukassa.

Vader was holding back on Luke for sure - and RotJ-Luke has the skill of a half-trained Padawan.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/70/1f/4c/701f4c10b1f873e92eb450f384766c0a.gif

Padawan Anakin could destroy Luke in under 10 seconds.

Exar Kun slaps these b*tches in the face.

Originally posted by Surtur
Exar Kun slaps these b*tches in the face.

With his POOOOOP!

https://i.imgur.com/v1G0XUJ.gif

Originally posted by dadudemon
With his POOOOOP!

https://i.imgur.com/v1G0XUJ.gif

Tyra Banks is a retard.

I'd fvck the shit out of her.

Oh and the answer actually isn't Rey lol. Not unless we count amps.

What did a non-amped Rey do to earn her the #1 spot?

Originally posted by Surtur
Oh and the answer actually isn't Rey lol. Not unless we count amps.

What did a non-amped Rey do to earn her the #1 spot?

Have a vagina.

Originally posted by Surtur
Oh and the answer actually isn't Rey lol. Not unless we count amps.

What did a non-amped Rey do to earn her the #1 spot?

Qui-Gons voice says to Rey that the Jedi spirits Live inside her, which suggests its something permanent.

That really should have been Luke. And would have been a good point for him to die (if he really had to die that is).

Qui-GONE should be quiet his character was gay as hell.

I honestly thought it was a temporary amp, but even without it she was doing mad shit.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I honestly thought it was a temporary amp, but even without it she was doing mad shit.


Apparently Rey and Kylo are stronger when together due to the Dyad thing. So anything she did with Kylo around is technically also an amp.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Apparently Rey and Kylo are stronger when together due to the Dyad thing. So anything she did with Kylo around is technically also an amp.

Good point.

anakin in mortis shits on everyone

Hulk

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm using gay to mean lame here. How is he not lame?

Also dude looked like he was about to keel over and die from briefly fighting a sith.

He was one of the first to discover Force Ghosting. He trained Obi Wan and had an epic duel against Maul and almost won. I do not see your reasoning, Superman toy.

"Almost won" =/= got stabbed in the gut and died.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Apparently Rey and Kylo are stronger when together due to the Dyad thing. So anything she did with Kylo around is technically also an amp.

Glad we finally some sort of get an explanation of how she got the upper hand on Kylo in TFA

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Apparently Rey and Kylo are stronger when together due to the Dyad thing. So anything she did with Kylo around is technically also an amp.

Which also means we still don't really know much of either individually...or well I guess we know more about Ben, but still.

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