How is Neo different from his predecessors?

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patman69za
Assuming Neo is the sixth anomoly, what drives him to be different from the others? There is something though, in response to the architect's first question, the architect says "that was quicker than the others". Later when he makes his choice between left and right Neo prsumably makes a choice different from the other anomolies - love, and the others had a more general response.

Also the Merovingian says "I have survived your predecessors and I will survive you", but he was surprised when Neo stopped his henchmen's bullets.

Lastly who is the mother of the matrix???

princess leia
the 'mother of the matrix' as the archictect put it was the oracle. there is a lot of question as to whether he was lying, we really dont know.
and i think that his reaction was different to the previous peoples reactions, i think the other six chose to save zion, not their trinity. i dont know exactly, wait til raz or yersott or dexx or someone answer. they seem to know an awful lot big grin or alternatively you could just wait til revolutions.

Sifer
Neo is definately different than the others as it is pointed out by:

The Architect (Which you have already mentioned)

The Merovingian:

You're predescessors had much more respect &
Ooookay the boy has some skill (with an expression on his face as if he has never seen it happen before) EDIT: I just noticed you already said this after I typed it.

The Oracle:

You have made a believer out of me kiddo.
I know the only way to get there is together - which leads onto what I think the Oracle is doing

I think she used to be a bad *****...basically creating the Prophecy etc. But now I think she has turned exile just like the Keymaker etc. I believe this because:

a: When Neo, at the beginning of the film, does his Superman thing. He is visiting where the Oracle used to be (in the first film). But he then say's "Where are you?". Why wouldn't she be there if she is the Mother of the Matrix?

b: Why does she need a Guardian? (Seraph)

c: Why is she in a park in what seemingly looks like in the middle of a cheap area of the city. If you notice Seraph is keenly looking about the environment looking for danger. Then he knows Smith will appear so takes her away from danger smile

Sifer
There are alot more I feel, but they are definately some of the major points.

Telemicus
Neo is different from the previous ones as he has love, love for Trinity that is. Hence he chose not to reload the Matrix, a choice that no other one had made before.

I think love has quite a big theme to play in the Matrix, surely it's an emotion completely unknown to programs, which is why smith is so unique, he has hate, he is Neo's alter ego. Smith is as important as Neo i'm sure, they are different sides of the same coin...

Telemicus
As for the Oracle, I still think she's working for the Matrix, why else does she eat a red tracer pill (the candy she offers to Neo) before departing just before Smith finds them, coincedence?

Ushgarak
BTW, there was never any idea that the Architect said the Oracle was the mother but might be lying. The Architect did NOT identify the Mother; he seemed to scoff at Neo's idea that it was the Oracle and the question ois over whether that means she is or is not.

Seraph
as neo talked to the oracle, he told her that he saw that door, made of light in his dreams. it is the door that he will pass later when he comes to the architect.
Then the oracle ask him what he sees after passing the door and he told her that he would see trinity. This is what he will do after the conversation with the architect. So the oracle know what he will do after meeting the architect. finally, before the oracle and seraph leave, she told neo that now, after their conversation she believes in him (sifer wrote this before) and it´s because she know that neo (as the real one) will not save zion. not yet.

Sifer
Ushgarak I thought the same thing at first. But after watching the film about 10 times I feel the way he says it is simply mocking in a sense. Watch it a couple more times, you will know what I mean. I can't actually think of the word at the minute cause I have been awake for nearly 48 hours straight...LOL

turin
when i first saw it i definetely thought the architect meant the oricle was the mother of the matrix, but gowing back for a second time i paid special attention to that part (as well as many other) and the architect does seem very harsh to the though of her being the mother.

back to the thread topic, it is not only love that makes him different, but it is also the link he has to a program which i assume no other versions of the one had. what i mean is that him and Smith are connected, which wasnt present in the other versions.

Ushgarak
I wasn;t being decisive one way or another, Sifer, I was just mentioning it is a disputed point.

Sifer
Fairy muff smile

Telemicus
It's like hamman says, we need machines and they need us. You can't have one without the other. I don't think we'll see the end of either in M3. Maybe something new, Smith holds the key...

Maybe Neo and Smith have a baby together..... er, sorry. : )

Sifer
The Oracle also says:

All that matters is the future
And the only way we'll get there is together.

Or something similar.

She is trying to work towards peaceful coexistence?

I also believe Smith is the key smile

The Omega
The previous Ones were most likely different from Neo, that is, they didn’t look like him, and didn’t have the same thoughts emotions etc. And they were YOUNGER.
In M1 we learn that Neo is actually too old to be unplugged, but Morpheus does so regardless.
And I agree with those who thinks the Oracle is a “good guy”. She’s on the run and has many enemies, it didn’t seem that way in M1. And to me it still looks as if the Architect scoffs at the name humans have given the mother of the Matrix.

princess leia
oh. sorry. well i only saw it once.

oh was that a tracer pill she ate? i thought it was just candy.

Telemicus
Well, it may have been just candy, but it did look exactly like a red pill, I don't think the brothers would have had it that way without some significance.

MemphisG1
Nope the mother of the matrix is not the Mother...the Architect laughed when Neo said it was her...She is the chick that Neo kissed...The Merovingian Wife...As far as his predessors choosing to reload the matrix..there's no proof that they made that choice...they could have chosen the same part as Neo and just failed cause they didn't have the skills he possess...the matrix would have still reloaded...u can't trust every and any word that came out of the architect...rem he is evil and tries to control Neo's progress...trickster like...

patman69za
Love blinds all logic, what the architect has feared, thus this matrix will take a path that has never been trodden before, and maybe Neo's coma is him actually Neo evolving into something more. Or he has not left the matrix yet and is trapped in another reality and it is up to the remainder of the crew to save him.

princess leia
im sure you are right. but maybe the architect was scoffing cos it was obvious. i dont know. i cant remember.
but why is everyone saying its persephone? why would they think that (again, not disputing it. just wondering.)

Telemicus
Persephone is supposed to feature quite a lot, but we only saw her briefly in M2, so she'll probably have more importance in M3. Plus, she's the only other female 'program', so if its not the oracle, it could very well be persephone?
I don't think anyone can say for sure though?
The Architect laughed, but didn't actually say no...

The Omega
I’m pretty sure the Oracles red candy means something. Although Neo didn’t eat his red candy, did he?
This far the programs in the Matrix have never lied. They may be “evil” system-agents, renegade Merovingian programs etc., but they haven’t lied yet. Lying is for humans. So I base my interpretations of the Matrix on the Architect telling the truth. The Architect scoffed at the NAME Neo gave the mother of the Matrix. We know the mother was a program send to investigate the human psyche. That does sound a lot like the Oracle. Persephone investigates human emotions (love). And both in Reloaded and Enter she’s an obstacle to get to the Keymaker.
And why would a seemingly powerful program like “the mother of the matrix” hang out with a “bad guy” like the Merovingian? But that’s another thread I think.
So Neo is different from the previous Ones in that he’s older, he’s in love, he learns faster and he is also willing to accept, that the prophecy is just another system of control.

patman69za
right omega, you take the blue pill and...

The Omega
Well, I just have the idea that Neo did eat the red candy the Oracle gave him, and that it is a kind of trace program. If Trinity’s going to save Neos mind, now trapped in the Source, she needs a way to find him. And Neo most likely went into a coma, because he realised part of him was in the big machine main-frame aka the Source.
And, wrong! I'd take the red pill. smile

steffie
neo's purpose is also 2 choose the right door, but he doesn't cos he faces deletion aftawards and has the choice of going into exile-programs choosing to go into exile is the 1 thing that can't be accounted for in program parameters. thus, he chooses the left door instead this time. how was neo able 2 choose the other door? because of his extreme willpower? - even the architect indicated that he'd noticed this "interesting. that was quicker than others".. or more likely, because the oracle upgraded his coding with the candy on the bench. the candy/cookie (from M1) i think was a method to change the one's program. she said he has made a believer out of her - this is quite human-like and perhaps the previous one's didn't accept the upgrade candy, now she has hope... hope that neo will finally choose the other.

another thing, apart from trinity's door number in the hotel or whatever reading 303, trinity-3. could her name also hav some significance to the holy trinity- 1)the father 2)the son 3) the holy spirit? jus a thought.

Skittles19
The architects response to neo's assumption about the oracle being the mother can be viewed either way.. meaning he could find the idea of her being the mother of the matrix stupid.. . or the fact that she was once the mother and is now not working for the matrix anooying...

I think that persephone and the oracle are probable candidates for the mother position... it could also be someone we haven't seen yet, though I find that unlikely smile

Sifer
Just a quick point.

Architect = Old and Grey
Oracle = Old and wrinkly :P
Persephone = Young and sexy big grin

I think Persephone would look rather out of place as the mother. Yes I know they do not age, but why is the Architect old looking along with the Oracle...they could very easily be young but they aren't. For a reason? Possibly smile

princess leia
maybe they just want to be wise.

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