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Melee/H2H only
Same scenarios as the Valkyrie battle in Ragnarok
Loki can use his daggers

Good fight. I have no reasoning for this besides in Thor 1. Sir threatened to kill Loki and he seemed to believe that she could and would. And she is the warrior type.

On the other hand. Loki has insane durability feats. The Hulk smash and he fell for 30 minutes in Stranges spell. A 30 minute free fall would be like reentry from orbit.

It seemed implied that Sif was the better warrior, however she just doesn't have enough feats and we debate here via feats. Even if I include her AoS fights, she only fought a Kree warrior and an Asgardian Sorceress. Not exactly as impressive as Loki fighting Thor twice or punking Cap or withstanding an assault from Hulk or catching an arrow blindisded. So yeah, Loki for the win.

Loki.

i do not recall lady sif ding anything of consequence

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
i do not recall lady sif ding anything of consequence

Most of it is in agents of SHIELD

I almost made myself look foolish. I was about to argue that Sif took down Hulk, even as a joke, and it was blatantly obvious she was a threat to Thor...was thinking of Valkyrie this entire time.

Originally posted by KingD19
I almost made myself look foolish. I was about to argue that Sif took down Hulk, even as a joke, and it was blatantly obvious she was a threat to Thor...was thinking of Valkyrie this entire time.
^^^I came in thinking Valkyrie, too.

Loki FTW, for reasons stated.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
i do not recall lady sif ding anything of consequence

Stabbing Destroyer?

If this was Valkyrie she one-shotted / 3-shotted Loki in few seconds on-screen. Not much to discuss there

Yes Valkyrie beats Loki and Loki beats Sif.

A good fight might be Valkyrie vs Loki and Sif.

So Sif is an average Asgardian but a true warrior and very skilled.

Valkyrie is definitely amped up beyond the average Asgardian.

Loki is definitely beyond a frost giant as far as durability goes.

Stabbing the Destroyer was cool but it just slid between slats.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
So Sif is an average Asgardian but a true warrior and very skilled.

Valkyrie is definitely amped up beyond the average Asgardian.

Loki is definitely beyond a frost giant as far as durability goes.

Stabbing the Destroyer was cool but it just slid between slats.

Nothing we've seen from Valkyrie depicts her as being more amped than Sif. It's just that Sif doesn't have as much feats.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Most of it is in agents of SHIELD


are those feats available?


Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Stabbing Destroyer?


i remember that but she didn't him harm

Originally posted by FrothByte
Nothing we've seen from Valkyrie depicts her as being more amped than Sif. It's just that Sif doesn't have as much feats.

What? Brunnhilde is clearly on a different level from every Asgardian beside from Thor, Odin and Hela. Thor even fanboys over her when they meet up as Valkyries are Odin's personal spec ops. Valkyries are literally a different class that you seem to be born as.



No member of the Warriors 3 can take Hulk down like he's a big puppy or at least physically wrestle with Thor.

Valkyrie doesn't have a bunch of feats, but she's easily surpassed what Sif did. She even took down a Leviathan, which only a few people have done.

Sif's biggest feat is kicking an TV trailer sideways and not really moving when a shotgun hits her armor.

Originally posted by KingD19
What? Brunnhilde is clearly on a different level from every Asgardian beside from Thor, Odin and Hela. Thor even fanboys over her when they meet up as Valkyries are Odin's personal spec ops. Valkyries are literally a different class that you seem to be born as.



No member of the Warriors 3 can take Hulk down like he's a big puppy or at least physically wrestle with Thor.

Valkyrie doesn't have a bunch of feats, but she's easily surpassed what Sif did. She even took down a Leviathan, which only a few people have done.

Sif's biggest feat is kicking an TV trailer sideways and not really moving when a shotgun hits her armor.

Thor fanboys over her because she was part of an elite squad, but being part of an elite squad doesn't mean that you are physically amped above other elite fighters. Same way a Navy Seal black ops isn't physically amped beyond an elite MMA fighter for example.

Valkyrie never took down Hulk. She was playfully tagging him. She took down a leviathan by using a flying horse and her Asgardian weapon. It's not like she did it via pure strength.

Lastly, Sif is no mere average Asgardian. She's one of the best warriors in Asgard as Thor himself mentioned in the movie.

I don't doubt that Valkyrie is stronger than Sif or a better fighter, same way that some fighters are stronger and better than others, but nothing she's done shows that she's somehow "amped". In fact, nothing we've seen from the movies show that some Asgardians are amped or whatever, at least not when it comes to physical attributes.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor fanboys over her because she was part of an elite squad, but being part of an elite squad doesn't mean that you are physically amped above other elite fighters. Same way a Navy Seal black ops isn't physically amped beyond an elite MMA fighter for example.

Valkyrie never took down Hulk. She was playfully tagging him. She took down a leviathan by using a flying horse and her Asgardian weapon. It's not like she did it via pure strength.

Lastly, Sif is no mere average Asgardian. She's one of the best warriors in Asgard as Thor himself mentioned in the movie.

I don't doubt that Valkyrie is stronger than Sif or a better fighter, same way that some fighters are stronger and better than others, but nothing she's done shows that she's somehow "amped". In fact, nothing we've seen from the movies show that some Asgardians are amped or whatever, at least not when it comes to physical attributes.

We go by feats. Valkyrie is way stronger than Sif. Skill could be a wash though. But her feat on Hulk, Loki, and her casually throwing a being a long ass distance away.

Originally posted by h1a8
We go by feats. Valkyrie is way stronger than Sif. Skill could be a wash though. But her feat on Hulk, Loki, and her casually throwing a being a long ass distance away.

Valkyrie never fought Hulk. She didn't defeat Loki via outmuscling him. And Sif also has a feat of throwing a being a long ass distance away.

Yes, we go by feats, and Valkyrie has done nothing to convince me that she's amped to levels beyond that of other elite Asgardian warriors.

I do agree she wins though.

She is way older than Sif and part of a far more elite unit.

It wasn't that she took down Hulk, she literally did it with zero effort.

I honestly don't know though. I really think they are pretty close.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
She is way older than Sif and part of a far more elite unit.

It wasn't that she took down Hulk, she literally did it with zero effort.

I honestly don't know though. I really think they are pretty close.

Dude, she never took down Hulk, with or without effort. Stop using that as a feat. He took a playful swipe at her which she dodged, then she pulled on his leg and kicked him while he was off balance.

What exactly does that prove? That she's faster than a playful Hulk? That she's strong enough to topple an out of balance Hulk? Those are things Sif can easily replicate.

Like I said, I do think Valkyrie is the better warrior than Sif, but nothing she's done proves that she's amped beyond Sif levels. Being older makes her more experienced, not necessarily stronger.

And Sif was not a member of any elite unit, she was an elite warrior on her own. As in she got recognition from her exploits alone rather than through membership in a group. It's like asking who's a more skilled fighter: a navy seal or an MMA champion?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Dude, she never took down Hulk, with or without effort. Stop using that as a feat. He took a playful swipe at her which she dodged, then she pulled on his leg and kicked him while he was off balance.

What exactly does that prove? That she's faster than a playful Hulk? That she's strong enough to topple an out of balance Hulk? Those are things Sif can easily replicate.

Like I said, I do think Valkyrie is the better warrior than Sif, but nothing she's done proves that she's amped beyond Sif levels. Being older makes her more experienced, not necessarily stronger.

And Sif was not a member of any elite unit, she was an elite warrior on her own. As in she got recognition from her exploits alone rather than through membership in a group. It's like asking who's a more skilled fighter: a navy seal or an MMA champion?

That's not what happened. Valkyrie kicked Hulk and Hulk fell while making a visible sound. The fact that she did this casually shows that she has some extreme power.

You are arguing against PERCEPTION. It's clearly the writer's intention that she can seriously hurt Hulk if she wanted to. That's what everyone who saw the scene perceived.

She also has a feat of throwing someone a long ass distance away.

Valkerie is significantly stronger than Sif. It's not debatable. Sif has no feats above a few tons.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's not what happened. Valkyrie kicked Hulk and Hulk fell while making a visible sound. The fact that she did this casually shows that she has some extreme power.

You are arguing against PERCEPTION. It's clearly the writer's intention that she can seriously hurt Hulk if she wanted to. That's what everyone who saw the scene perceived.

She also has a feat of throwing someone a long ass distance away.

Valkerie is significantly stronger than Sif. It's not debatable. Sif has no feats above a few tons.

1. You need to watch a movie first before you open your mouth, otherwise you just look dumb.

2. Again you prove you know nothing about fighting. You don't need a lot of strength to knock down an off balance opponent. It's about leverage and body mechanics.

3. Sif also has a feat of throwing someone a long as distance away.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. You need to watch a movie first before you open your mouth, otherwise you just look dumb.

2. Again you prove you know nothing about fighting. You don't need a lot of strength to knock down an off balance opponent. It's about leverage and body mechanics.

3. Sif also has a feat of throwing someone a long as distance away.

1. Troll tactics
2. Why was Hulk off balance? He was standing firmly right before the kick landed. You are still arguing against clear perceptions. The kick seemed to hurt him a little. That was the perception. She was perceived to be able to hurt Hulk if she wanted to.

3. Sif has a feet of throwing someone hundreds of feet away? Please show it. Or give episode number.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Troll tactics
2. Why was Hulk off balance? He was standing firmly right before the kick landed. You are still arguing against clear perceptions. The kick seemed to hurt him a little. That was the perception. She was perceived to be able to hurt Hulk if she wanted to.

3. Sif has a feet of throwing someone hundreds of feet away? Please show it. Or give episode number.

1. If you actually watched the movie you'd know that Hulk and Valkyrie were clearly play fighting and that it would be a horrible feat to use in a versus fight.

2. Having both feet touch the ground is not the same thing as being firmly planted. Hulk had just had one leg swept off and he had yet to get his full balance when he was kicked. Again, not a strength feat but one of leverage on Valkyrie's part.

3. Season 2, Episode 12 of Agents of SHIELD.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. If you actually watched the movie you'd know that Hulk and Valkyrie were clearly play fighting and that it would be a horrible feat to use in a versus fight.

2. Having both feet touch the ground is not the same thing as being firmly planted. Hulk had just had one leg swept off and he had yet to get his full balance when he was kicked. Again, not a strength feat but one of leverage on Valkyrie's part.

3. Season 2, Episode 12 of Agents of SHIELD.

1. Play fighting is why it's a good feat. She slightly hurt Hulk while playing. Just imagine if she was serious. Stop arguing against the perception. It's clear to everyone but you that she has the power to hurt the Hulk.

2. Both feet planted while upper body is directly above = firmly standing. Who are you trying to fool?

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Play fighting is why it's a good feat. She slightly hurt Hulk while playing. Just imagine if she was serious. Stop arguing against the perception. It's clear to everyone but you that she has the power to hurt the Hulk.

2. Both feet planted while upper body is directly above = firmly standing. Who are you trying to fool?

1. Prove that Hulk was hurt

2. Either you don't know what "firmly standing" means or you haven't watched the movie. Which is it?

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Prove that Hulk was hurt

2. Either you don't know what "firmly standing" means or you haven't watched the movie. Which is it?

1. It was clear that it stung him somewhat. He voiced in slight pain or agony.
Again, it's about what is perceived.


2. I paused the scene the moment she struck him. He was standing firmly at that instant. Now a split second before, he wasn't.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. It was clear that it stung him somewhat. He voiced in slight pain or agony.
Again, it's about what is perceived.


2. I paused the scene the moment she struck him. He was standing firmly at that instant. Now a split second before, he wasn't.

1. So are you saying every time a person grunts after getting hit then that's proof that they got hurt?

2. If someone was off balance a split second before, then it's nearly impossible for them to be standing firmly just a split second after. Again, you need to learn what standing firmly means. Hint: Just because you have both feet touching the ground doesn't mean you're standing firmly.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. So are you saying every time a person grunts after getting hit then that's proof that they got hurt?

2. If someone was off balance a split second before, then it's nearly impossible for them to be standing firmly just a split second after. Again, you need to learn what standing firmly means. Hint: Just because you have both feet touching the ground doesn't mean you're standing firmly.

1. In a movie Yes. It's called storytelling. It's called perception.

2. He was standing upright. It's called perception. What did the audience perceive? What was the intent?

Originally posted by h1a8
1. In a movie Yes. It's called storytelling. It's called perception.

2. He was standing upright. It's called perception. What did the audience perceive? What was the intent?

1. In which case the perception was they were playfully wrestling and neither of them hurt the other.

2. And the perception is that he was off balance. Don't pretend to know what the audience perceived when you haven't even watched it

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. In which case the perception was they were playfully wrestling and neither of them hurt the other.

2. And the perception is that he was off balance. Don't pretend to know what the audience perceived when you haven't even watched it

1. Hulk is not a baby. A little sting is not going to make him mad or cry. Even we human males play and get stung a little and keep moving. The perception is that she hurt him a little. But yes they were playing. Stop ignoring the fact that Hulk voiced in slight pain.

2. The perception wasn't that Hulk was off balance. You just made that shit up. When we all see the scene for the first time, we all think that she can phuck the Hulk up if she wanted to. That is what is perceived.

At this point you are trolling. We agree to disagree.
At least She has a feat of throwing someone hundreds of feet away. That's far stronger than anything Sif has shown.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Hulk is not a baby. A little sting is not going to make him mad or cry. Even we human males play and get stung a little and keep moving. The perception is that she hurt him a little. But yes they were playing. Stop ignoring the fact that Hulk voiced in slight pain.

2. The perception wasn't that Hulk was off balance. You just made that shit up. When we all see the scene for the first time, we all think that she can phuck the Hulk up if she wanted to. That is what is perceived.

At this point you are trolling. We agree to disagree.
At least She has a feat of throwing someone hundreds of feet away. That's far stronger than anything Sif has shown.

1. Thank you for admitting they were playing and thus isn't a good feat to judge Valkyrie.

2. Thank you for admitting that you don't know what being off-balance means.

3. You didn't even bother researching the AoS episode I sent you huh? Figures. Don't know why I expected anymore from a troll.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Thank you for admitting they were playing and thus isn't a good feat to judge Valkyrie.

2. Thank you for admitting that you don't know what being off-balance means.

3. You didn't even bother researching the AoS episode I sent you huh? Figures. Don't know why I expected anymore from a troll.

I'm done with the argument. You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. Basically you are trolling.

As with the 2nd thing, obviously Sif didn't throw anyone near hundreds of feet (as you would have mentioned it). So why view the footage? Do you claim that she did?

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm done with the argument. You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. Basically you are trolling.

As with the 2nd thing, obviously Sif didn't throw anyone near hundreds of feet (as you would have mentioned it). So why view the footage? Do you claim that she did?

Sure dude, whatever you say. Let me know when you're finally ready to debate like an adult.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Sure dude, whatever you say. Let me know when you're finally ready to debate like an adult.

Concession accepted.
Valkerie is significantly stronger because she has the significantly better strength feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
Concession accepted.
Valkerie is significantly stronger because she has the significantly better strength feat.

Valkyrie is significantly stronger because she toppled an off balance Hulk while they were play fighting. Gotcha.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Valkyrie is significantly stronger because she toppled an off balance Hulk while they were play fighting. Gotcha.

I'm not debating you on that issue since you are trolling.

Good way to ignore the fact that Valkyrie has another strength feat far superior to anything Sif did.
If you disagree then simply claim Sif threw someone hundreds of feet away.
Otherwise consession accepted.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not debating you on that issue since you are trolling.

Good way to ignore the fact that Valkyrie has another strength feat far superior to anything Sif did.
If you disagree then simply claim Sif threw someone hundreds of feet away.
Otherwise consession accepted.

I'm not even trying to debate. Why would I try to argue against your impeccably sound feat of Valkyrie toppling an already off-balance Hulk while they were play fighting?

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm not even trying to debate. Why would I try to argue against your impeccably sound feat of Valkyrie toppling an already off-balance Hulk while they were play fighting?

Because we are not debating that. That's dead.

You are clearly ignoring the other feat (the throw) since you know it wins the argument.

Originally posted by h1a8
Because we are not debating that. That's dead.

You are clearly ignoring the other feat (the throw) since you know it wins the argument.

Oh you've already won the argument when you used play fighting as a legitimate feat for Valkyrie. There's clearly no arguing against such fool proof logic. I concede against such great wisdom.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Oh you've already won the argument when you used play fighting as a legitimate feat for Valkyrie. There's clearly no arguing against such fool proof logic. I concede against such great wisdom.

Good that you admit Valkyrie throwing feat proves she's significantly stronger than Sif.

Originally posted by h1a8
Good that you admit Valkyrie throwing feat proves she's significantly stronger than Sif.

Yes yes, Sif clearly has no strength feat that compares. Not even easily pushing a camper trailer a few dozen meters with a casual kick.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes yes, Sif clearly has no strength feat that compares. Not even easily pushing a camper trailer a few dozen meters with a casual kick.

A few dozen meters? Lmao. Try more like 40-50 feet (less than 2 dozen meters).

Casually? Try with her visibly straining and grunting.

Try with her using a Leg vs arm to push (leg is stronger).

Yup that feat doesn't come close.

Thanks for proving that you are a liar and a troll.

Originally posted by h1a8
A few dozen meters? Lmao. Try more like 40-50 feet (less than 2 dozen meters).

Casually? Try with her visibly straining and grunting.

Try with her using a Leg vs arm to push (leg is stronger).

Yup that feat doesn't come close.

Thanks for proving that you are a liar and a troll.

Oh you're right of course. Because being able to kick a camper trailer that weighs about 7000 lbs. across a few dozen meters against its tires is clearly a far far inferior strength feat to throwing a 200 pound humanoid a few hundred feet. Valkyrie is clearly in a much higher strength class than Sif. There is really no arguing against your excellent logic that proved how much stronger Valkyrie is when she toppled an off-balance Hulk while they were play fighting.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Oh you're right of course. Because being able to kick a camper trailer that weighs about 7000 lbs. across a few dozen meters against its tires is clearly a far far inferior strength feat to throwing a 200 pound humanoid a few hundred feet. Valkyrie is clearly in a much higher strength class than Sif. There is really no arguing against your excellent logic that proved how much stronger Valkyrie is when she toppled an off-balance Hulk while they were play fighting.

Your told 2 lies.
1) You stated she did it casually. She strained and grunted.
2) You stated she moved it a few dozen meters. It slid 40-50 feet.


Yes throwing a 200lb being hundreds of feet away (about a block) IS FAR Superior than sliding (not even lifting) a camper 40-50 feet USING ONE'S LEG (not arm).

Originally posted by h1a8
Your told 2 lies.
1) You stated she did it casually. She strained and grunted.
2) You stated she moved it a few dozen meters. It slid 40-50 feet.


Yes throwing a 200lb being hundreds of feet away (about a block) IS FAR Superior than sliding (not even lifting) a camper 40-50 feet USING ONE'S LEG (not arm).

Yes, casually. As in she didn't look like she was going to pop a vein. But you know what, you're right. I must have been exaggerating because you're clearly a way better judge of these things than I am and we know you never exaggerate.

And yes, it must be 40-50 feet. Because your judgement of distance is so impeccable that your guesstimate is way more accurate than mine. Heck, you're so good at it that you can even narrow down to an error margin of just 10 feet. I'm incredibly in awe of you.

Again, I apologize for thinking that the weight of an object matters when discussing strength feats. You're right that only the distance traveled and the limb used matters. Obviously the fact that the man is only around 3% the weight of the trailer has no bearing at all on strength necessary to move them around.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, casually. As in she didn't look like she was going to pop a vein. But you know what, you're right. I must have been exaggerating because you're clearly a way better judge of these things than I am and we know you never exaggerate.

And yes, it must be 40-50 feet. Because your judgement of distance is so impeccable that your guesstimate is way more accurate than mine. Heck, you're so good at it that you can even narrow down to an error margin of just 10 feet. I'm incredibly in awe of you.

Again, I apologize for thinking that the weight of an object matters when discussing strength feats. You're right that only the distance traveled and the limb used matters. Obviously the fact that the man is only around 3% the weight of the trailer has no bearing at all on strength necessary to move them around.

She strained as shown in her face. She grunted. This shows that you saying casually is a lie. We can clearly see the distance the camper is away from her in the latter scene. It's clearly less than the distance a pitcher throws to a catcher. That's lie number 2.

Throwing someone about a city block takes WAY more force than SLIDING (not lifting) a camper 40-50ft away using your leg.

Anyone here will tell you what Valkyrie did was far more impressive.

Originally posted by h1a8
She strained as shown in her face. She grunted. This shows that you saying casually is a lie. We can clearly see the distance the camper is away from her in the latter scene. It's clearly less than the distance a pitcher throws to a catcher. That's lie number 2.

Throwing someone about a city block takes WAY more force than SLIDING (not lifting) a camper 40-50ft away using your leg.

Anyone here will tell you what Valkyrie did was far more impressive.

Of course, I already acknowledged you were correct right?

I mean, if I dropped a 50-pound dumbell on a rubber mat, kicked it as hard as I could parallel to its bar (so I wouldn't just roll it) and made it skid by about 20 feet, that's clearly not as impressive as throwing a basketball for the entire length of a basketball court right? Because clearly throwing that basketball is way harder and more impossible than kicking that 50 pound dumbell for a good 20 feet or so.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Of course, I already acknowledged you were correct right?

I mean, if I dropped a 50-pound dumbell on a rubber mat, kicked it as hard as I could parallel to its bar (so I wouldn't just roll it) and made it skid by about 20 feet, that's clearly not as impressive as throwing a basketball for the entire length of a basketball court right? Because clearly throwing that basketball is way harder and more impossible than kicking that 50 pound dumbell for a good 20 feet or so.

Bad analogy.
Both The scaling is incorrect and the application.
Exhibit A. She threw him about 600feet.
A basketball court is 94ft. So that would be equavilent to sliding the weight about 6ft.

Now we have the problem of application.
1. Metal on rubber have a much higher coefficient of friction than rubber on a sandy surface. You will be able to kick the dumbell even further on that exact road than in the scenario you gave.

2. Also when something is thrown over a certain velocity then air resistance becomes a much bigger factor. Air resistance plays a much bigger role in that scene.

3. Sif push kicked it using her hind leg (stronger muscles). This is impossible kicking a small dumbell the same way. Imagine the dumbell the size of a camper but weighs only 50lb and we are in business.

4. Lastly it's how she threw him. She did not throw him like a ball throw. Her distance of acceleration was much smaller and she used more of a lifting motion that wasn't conducive to launching something a long way (weaker muscles used).

So to be more accurate. Try throwing the basketball EXACTLY how she threw the guy with added air resistance the length of a basketball court. Then compare that to push kicking (in the exact way Sif did) something that weighs 50lb on a sandy road.

Originally posted by h1a8
Bad analogy.
Both The scaling is incorrect and the application.
Exhibit A. She threw him about 600feet.
A basketball court is 94ft. So that would be equavilent to sliding the weight about 6ft.

Now we have the problem of application.
1. Metal on rubber have a much higher coefficient of friction than rubber on a sandy surface. You will be able to kick the dumbell even further on that exact road than in the scenario you gave.

2. Also when something is thrown over a certain velocity then air resistance becomes a much bigger factor. Air resistance plays a much bigger role in that scene.

3. Sif push kicked it using her hind leg (stronger muscles). This is impossible kicking a small dumbell the same way. Imagine the dumbell the size of a camper but weighs only 50lb and we are in business.

4. Lastly it's how she threw him. She did not throw him like a ball throw. Her distance of acceleration was much smaller and she used more of a lifting motion that wasn't conducive to launching something a long way (weaker muscles used).

So to be more accurate. Try throwing the basketball EXACTLY how she threw the guy with added air resistance the length of a basketball court. Then compare that to push kicking (in the exact way Sif did) something that weighs 50lb on a sandy road.

Sure dude. 600 feet. Obviously you have such accurate measurements of distance that you can come up with exact numbers from a glance. My apologies for only using estimates, like most us normal people use when discussing film scenes. Most of us don't have your overwhelming intellect.

Against someone with such an immense grasp on physics or who probably has spent so much time in the gym that they think it's easy to kick around 50 pounds of deadweight, I clearly am not as knowledgeable as you. I mean, I didn't even know that air resistance played a bigger factor than surface friction. Or that apparently a heavy object doesn't dig in to sand to make it even harder to move.

I also never knew you couldn't use your hind leg to kick a small object. My kickboxing instructor had been lying to me all these years. You should have educated me on this sooner oh great one.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Sure dude. 600 feet. Obviously you have such accurate measurements of distance that you can come up with exact numbers from a glance. My apologies for only using estimates, like most us normal people use when discussing film scenes. Most of us don't have your overwhelming intellect.

Against someone with such an immense grasp on physics or who probably has spent so much time in the gym that they think it's easy to kick around 50 pounds of deadweight, I clearly am not as knowledgeable as you. I mean, I didn't even know that air resistance played a bigger factor than surface friction. Or that apparently a heavy object doesn't dig in to sand to make it even harder to move.

I also never knew you couldn't use your hind leg to kick a small object. My kickboxing instructor had been lying to me all these years. You should have educated me on this sooner oh great one.

So you agree with me and also that your analogies were faulty and that you lied twice. Cool.
Enough with the nonsense.
Again you have to throw the basketball EXACTLY like Valkyrie. Good luck throwing it more than 20ft that way.
Again you have to push kick a 50lb object on sandy ground EXACTLY how Sif did it, using your hind leg muscles. I don't know about you, but I can push kick the shit out of a 50lb object on that type of ground.

Otherwise your twisted comparison is faulty.

And no the camper wasn't dug into the ground as we see visually. Think of a hard ground covered with dirt/sand. Each wheel exerted 1/4 of the camper s weight.

Originally posted by h1a8
So you agree with me and also that your analogies were faulty and that you lied twice. Cool.
Enough with the nonsense.
Again you have to throw the basketball EXACTLY like Valkyrie. Good luck throwing it more than 20ft that way.
Again you have to push kick a 50lb object on sandy ground EXACTLY how Sif did it, using your hind leg muscles. I don't know about you, but I can push kick the shit out of a 50lb object on that type of ground.

Otherwise your twisted comparison is faulty.

And no the camper wasn't dug into the ground as we see visually. Think of a hard ground covered with dirt/sand. Each wheel exerted 1/4 of the camper s weight.

Ooh please great one, show me proof that you can push kick the hell out of a 50 pound object.

Originally posted by h1a8
So you agree with me and also that your analogies were faulty and that you lied twice. Cool.
Enough with the nonsense.
Again you have to throw the basketball EXACTLY like Valkyrie. Good luck throwing it more than 20ft that way.
Again you have to push kick a 50lb object on sandy ground EXACTLY how Sif did it, using your hind leg muscles. I don't know about you, but I can push kick the shit out of a 50lb object on that type of ground.

Otherwise your twisted comparison is faulty.

And no the camper wasn't dug into the ground as we see visually. Think of a hard ground covered with dirt/sand. Each wheel exerted 1/4 of the camper s weight.

Ooh please great one, show me proof that you can push kick the hell out of a 50 pound object and make it skid a good distance away.

Dp

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ooh please great one, show me proof that you can push kick the hell out of a 50 pound object.


https://www.bigtoysdirect.com/Kids-12V-Toyota-Tundra-Ride-On-Truck-White-p/BTD-TUNDRA_B12VWHT.htm? gclid=Cj0KCQiAqY3zBRDQARIsAJeCVxNIShoazFXfHgYQplwp
xmQlmBHkXljR21UkWbAyEIf-K1BCTht_QWYaAhjSEALw_wcB

Originally posted by h1a8
https://www.bigtoysdirect.com/Kids-12V-Toyota-Tundra-Ride-On-Truck-White-p/BTD-TUNDRA_B12VWHT.htm? gclid=Cj0KCQiAqY3zBRDQARIsAJeCVxNIShoazFXfHgYQplwp
xmQlmBHkXljR21UkWbAyEIf-K1BCTht_QWYaAhjSEALw_wcB

So.... I'm looking at a blank page?

Originally posted by FrothByte
So.... I'm looking at a blank page?
It's supposed to be a link to a kid's motorized toy truck. It has rubber wheels and weighs 81lb. They have smaller ones (around 50lb). But you can clearly see that a fit adult male can kick one of these at least a few feet away on the type of ground Sif did.

lAoKvVDpsYw

Anyway the coefficient of Static friction of rubber on a sandy surface is about 0.5. That means you need to supply about 50% of the weight force to slide the object.

Sif used a strong leg muscles (not arms). Valkyrie used weak non throwing arm muscles to achieve the feat. Therefore, even if both feats took the same force (they dont) then Valkyrie feat is more than 3x more impressive.


In a nutshell Valkyrie could easily achieve Sif's feat where Sif couldn't come close to achieving Valkyrie's feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's supposed to be a link to a kid's motorized toy truck. It has rubber wheels and weighs 81lb. They have smaller ones (around 50lb). But you can clearly see that a fit adult male can kick one of these at least a few feet away on the type of ground Sif did.

lAoKvVDpsYw

Anyway the coefficient of Static friction of rubber on a sandy surface is about 0.5. That means you need to supply about 50% of the weight force to slide the object.

Sif used a strong leg muscles (not arms). Valkyrie used weak non throwing arm muscles to achieve the feat. Therefore, even if both feats took the same force (they dont) then Valkyrie feat is more than 3x more impressive.


In a nutshell Valkyrie could easily achieve Sif's feat where Sif couldn't come close to achieving Valkyrie's feat.

Sorry, but where exactly in that vid is the proof that you can kick 81 lbs (or even 50 lbs) a decent distance away?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Sorry, but where exactly in that vid is the proof that you can kick 81 lbs (or even 50 lbs) a decent distance away?

I said a few feet away.
But that has nothing to with this thread.

You are deflecting.

Originally posted by h1a8
I said a few feet away.
But that has nothing to with this thread.

You are deflecting.

So where in that vid shows it getting kicked a few feet?

Originally posted by FrothByte
So where in that vid shows it getting kicked a few feet?
Concession accepted.

Originally posted by h1a8
Concession accepted.

So... you're saying the vid you posted didn't contain any proof at all of your claim?

Originally posted by h1a8
Concession accepted.

It's good that you conceded

Originally posted by FrothByte
So... you're saying the vid you posted didn't contain any proof at all of your claim?

Deflection tactic.
Its clear that Valkyrie is significantly stronger than Sif.

Originally posted by h1a8
Deflection tactic.
Its clear that Valkyrie is significantly stronger than Sif.

So you admit to putting an unrelated vid as a deflection tactic? Huh. And I thought you were above such lowhanded tactics.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So you admit to putting an unrelated vid as a deflection tactic? Huh. And I thought you were above such lowhanded tactics.

Valkerie >>>>>>>>Sif

Originally posted by h1a8
Valkerie >>>>>>>>Sif

And you'll notice that I agreed Valkyrie is stronger than Sif and that she defeats Sif.

Doesn't change the fact that you posted a completely unrelated video to our discussion as a deflection tactic.

H1 is a known pathetic troll. His attempts here are after the fact and dire. Why are you even replying to him?