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And should they pay severe international sanctions, lawsuits a worse after this passes

Why did they do it?

My best guess would be something along these lines.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GTboGG7DMwU

there really is no window of time/events too small for trumpers to rewrite history and take all blame away from trump and his administration. who did the CDC cuts? who fired our federal pandemic first response? who called the virus a hoax and encouraged everyone to ignore it and that it was already contained? china did it?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
there really is no window of time/events too small for trumpers to rewrite history and take all blame away from trump and his administration. who did the CDC cuts? who fired our federal pandemic first response? who called the virus a hoax and encouraged everyone to ignore it and that it was already contained? china did it?

Wha?

This is such an odd spin on the topic.


Is the CDC going to magically manufacture life-saving drugs?
Start churning our hand sanitizer stations?
Make vaccines? Churn out more infectious disease doctors in a couple of weeks?

What type of magic voodoo do you think the CDC is doing besides telling us the same things we already knew to avoid getting ill? Are they going to tell us the same exact things "EVEN HARDER, BRUH!" or something? lol

The CDC is useful for collecting data, analyzing it, and publishing results and recommendations. They collate existing information from medical professionals on those recommendations. That information would still exist even if the entire CDC disappeared. They compete with other groups (such as the Kaiser Group) who provide similar information.

Oh man, it's all Trump's fault that there is mass hysteria and panic over this, all over the world! Trump cut funding to x, y, or z and caused COVID-19 to get out of control and 50% of the world's population are now dying! How dare Trump do this to us!

nah i have no time for your gaslit chimp-splaining. doesn't change the stated facts. oh well

Originally posted by Raptor22
Why did they do it?

My best guess would be something along these lines.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GTboGG7DMwU

This guy nailed the why:

L3tnH4FGbd0

I blame Ozzy Osbourne and his bat eating shenanigans.

China ****ed everyone over because they can get away with it. Simple as that.

It doesn't matter that you can generally expect a new disease every few years from them, too many people rely on them for the production of cheap goods/imports.

I'm not going to pretend the west is blameless. It isn't. But the lion's share of the blame does have to lie with China imo.

Originally posted by -Pr-
China ****ed everyone over because they can get away with it. Simple as that.

It doesn't matter that you can generally expect a new disease every few years from them, too many people rely on them for the production of cheap goods/imports.

I'm not going to pretend the west is blameless. It isn't. But the lion's share of the blame does have to lie with China imo.

It really does suck that the ONE durable thing China produced ended up being a virus.

Zing!

there is a subculture in China which needs to ammend their diets. that's where the source of the problem can be blamed. however I cannot tell the difference between China's initial response, and the response of the u.s. executive branch. "no big deal, hoax, don't worry, go to a packed club and make out with 20 strangers tonight just to help us prove our point, etc"

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
there really is no window of time/events too small for trumpers to rewrite history and take all blame away from trump and his administration. who did the CDC cuts? who fired our federal pandemic first response? who called the virus a hoax and encouraged everyone to ignore it and that it was already contained? china did it?

Seriously eat shit already. Stop trying to blame Trumpers for what China did.

Originally posted by -Pr-
China ****ed everyone over because they can get away with it. Simple as that.

It doesn't matter that you can generally expect a new disease every few years from them, too many people rely on them for the production of cheap goods/imports.

I'm not going to pretend the west is blameless. It isn't. But the lion's share of the blame does have to lie with China imo.

They ****ed the world now

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Seriously eat shit already. Stop trying to blame Trumpers for what China did.

nah, I'm not going to ignore reality because acknowledging it makes you hulk out.

I didn't even go after trump supporters in that post. I also don't care that you're hulking out again

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
there is a subculture in China which needs to ammend their diets. that's where the source of the problem can be blamed. however I cannot tell the difference between China's initial response, and the response of the u.s. executive branch. "no big deal, hoax, don't worry, go to a packed club and make out with 20 strangers tonight just to help us prove our point, etc"

Nobody is surprised that you can't tell the difference.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
there really is no window of time/events too small for trumpers to rewrite history and take all blame away from trump and his administration. who did the CDC cuts? who fired our federal pandemic first response? who called the virus a hoax and encouraged everyone to ignore it and that it was already contained? china did it?

HAHAHA! As if this would have stopped it from coming here, or we as if we would have a cure already!!!!!!

LMFAO!!!!


YOU IDIOT!!

You're right, I'm so ashamed right now, you sanctimonious gasbag

Some people just seem to get their marching orders from China. Everyone was referring to this as Wuhan virus or Chinese coronavirus and then China whined and said it was racist and the left fell in line and suddenly decided to agree.

Suddenly the Dems and the media have there dicks up Chinas as

Commie loving fcks

China fcked them and they want to defend them by blaming Trump

They learned well from the NBA it seems.

Man from China=Chinese Man

Food from China=Chinese food

Virus from China=THAT IS RACIST

Originally posted by Surtur
Man from China=Chinese Man

Food from China=Chinese food

Virus from China=THAT IS RACIST

Soon Mexican food will be racist

Originally posted by Blakemore
Your simple logic scared him away... for now.

Originally posted by Surtur
Some people just seem to get their marching orders

im not following Trump's marching orders to put 100% of the blame on china, pretend that he didn't fire our pandemic first responders, pretend he didn't cut funding for the CDC, and also pretend that the last two months of his administrations buffoonery and denial over the crisis didn't happen. sorry y'all need to have a coping party over it, but I'm not drinking the koolaid.

I love how you had to specify you aren't following *trumps* marching orders. Cuz clearly you're marching to someones orders.

project all you wish, and continue your programmed group cultist internet chest-beating over my observation of documented history. whatever you need to do to pass the time and blow off some steam

Call me a chimp and seal the deal

So who specifically from china are we blaming this on?

Is it only the lab that may have created the virus?

Or does their govt share in the blame as well for how they handled it?

Neither. I blame an ancient Chinese water dragon with a sick sense of humor.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
there is a subculture in China which needs to ammend their diets. that's where the source of the problem can be blamed. however I cannot tell the difference between China's initial response, and the response of the u.s. executive branch. "no big deal, hoax, don't worry, go to a packed club and make out with 20 strangers tonight just to help us prove our point, etc"


You can't see the difference because you're a typical retard anti-Trump leftist.

Originally posted by Surtur
I love how you had to specify you aren't following *trumps* marching orders. Cuz clearly you're marching to someones orders.

I love how he is basically victim blaming, he might as well be saying. well, she shouldn't have been wearing such a short skirt.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
there is a subculture in China which needs to ammend their diets. that's where the source of the problem can be blamed. however I cannot tell the difference between China's initial response, and the response of the u.s. executive branch. "no big deal, hoax, don't worry, go to a packed club and make out with 20 strangers tonight just to help us prove our point, etc"

The Trump admin mimicked China's reckless response, when we had China going to shit as a real-time example of what not to do.

But facts can't stand in the way of daily Trump cult revisions. As you see, Trump's "THE CHINESE VIRUS!" is being heard by his flock; they're getting the message.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
...pretend that he didn't fire our pandemic first responders, pretend he didn't cut funding for the CDC...


Oh yeah?

Was the CDC going to magically manufacture life-saving drugs? Were the first responders?
Were either going to start churning our hand sanitizer stations?
Were either going to make vaccines?
Were they going to magically churn out more infectious disease doctors in a couple of weeks?



You keep bringing your point up as if it would have magically done anything when the rest of the world is impacted. Not only are you naively American-Centric, you're such a blind partisan hack that even your talking points are easily dismissed with a few simple questions.


Edit - Let's pretend COVID-19 is every bit as deadly as the seasonal flu. Do you understand that the WHO already said the seasonal Flu is hopeless to stop because of how quickly it spreads? So what do you expect the CDC or yet another government entity to have magically done by the time it got to American soil?

cool post

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
cool

Yea, you sure told him.

^rent free $$$

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
^rent free $$$

Zzzzzzzz

It's not accurate to say the Trump admin mimicked Chinas response. China silenced doctors. Say what u want, but Dr. Fauci has not been in lockstep with Trump. He has agreed with him at times and also contradicted him. Trump hasn't silenced him.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh yeah?

Was the CDC going to magically manufacture life-saving drugs? Were the first responders?
Were either going to start churning our hand sanitizer stations?
Were either going to make vaccines?
Were they going to magically churn out more infectious disease doctors in a couple of weeks?



You keep bringing your point up as if it would have magically done anything when the rest of the world is impacted. Not only are you naively American-Centric, you're such a blind partisan hack that even your talking points are easily dismissed with a few simple questions.


Edit - Let's pretend COVID-19 is every bit as deadly as the seasonal flu. Do you understand that the WHO already said the seasonal Flu is hopeless to stop because of how quickly it spreads? So what do you expect the CDC or yet another government entity to have magically done by the time it got to American soil? we could have sooner implemented the measures that we only recently did.

It could have helped slow the spread, allowed us to gather and manufacture more of the necessary supplies, set up facilities in preparation for the inevitable, helped ease the burden of hospitals getting over taxed all at once to the neglect of patients with other ailments.

Basically for all the reasons that being prepared for something is better than beinf neglectful and unprepared.

It would also help with the national panic and the medias ability to manipulate the publics fears.

One of the best ways to avoid panic in a a fearful/stressful situation is to be prepared for whats to come.

Originally posted by Raptor22
we could have sooner implemented the measures that we only recently did.

It could have helped slow the spread, allowed us to gather and manufacture more of the necessary supplies, set up facilities in preparation for the inevitable, helped ease the burden of hospitals getting over taxed all at once to the neglect of patients with other ailments.

Basically for all the reasons that being prepared for something is better than beinf neglectful and unprepared.

It would also help with the national panic and the medias ability to manipulate the publics fears.

One of the best ways to avoid panic in a a fearful/stressful situation is to be prepared for whats to come.

None of those actions require the CDC or a "strike force." And information was not needed to do any of those things that was not already available (we already had all the info we needed).


The problems you're pointing out are not problems a task force or the CDC would address. That's still on the world leaders to solve and the medical professionals to solve.


In fact, the private sector is so inundated with professionals in this area that they likely have far better data than the CDC. The CDC is collecting data from those individuals and organizations.


To me, this whole "blame Trump for defunding the CDC" is a red herring. You could completely eliminate the CDC and we'd still have this same information.

Edit - Thanks for actually taking the time to discuss the topic.

JxG241bExqY

Shits about to get real bad in the UK and US.

As for blaming China or Trump, make no mistake, Western nations have handled this terribly. More deaths in Italy than in China ffs.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
And should they pay severe international sanctions, lawsuits a worse after this passes

I have doubts the Chinese government intentionally tried to create this nasty virus. I think that they are so overpopulated that it's inevitable gross viruses originate there. Not everything is conspiracy. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong. Intentional or not, there should be penalties.

Boys there are alot of facts we've seem to have overlooked in Italy'. People are dying yes but Covid-19 is a contagious virus and Italy is a country where the retired go. The mortality rate is really high due to other conditions they already have

Yeah but the population of Italy compared to the population of China is.... Well there is no comparison.

I thought China had a sizable 'old' community as well though.

Originally posted by Raptor22
we could have sooner implemented the measures that we only recently did.

It could have helped slow the spread, allowed us to gather and manufacture more of the necessary supplies, set up facilities in preparation for the inevitable, helped ease the burden of hospitals getting over taxed all at once to the neglect of patients with other ailments.

Basically for all the reasons that being prepared for something is better than beinf neglectful and unprepared.

It would also help with the national panic and the medias ability to manipulate the publics fears.

One of the best ways to avoid panic in a a fearful/stressful situation is to be prepared for whats to come.

And prevented the panicked hoarding that has been going on at every store for weeks now.

Why is there no damn hand sanitizer anywhere then

Because idiot nutjobs think they need to buy dozens of it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
More deaths in Italy than in China ffs.

More reported deaths.

Originally posted by ares834

More reported deaths.


Well Starbucks is reopening one Wuhan, so they seem to have some faith in Chinas numbers, and China allowing them to reopen says something as well.

Regardless deaths in Italy even being at all comparable to deaths in China says a lot.

Italy's numbers are kind of distorted though, because of how they are assigning deaths relative to other countries, along with the age of the population. Anyone who dies while infected, whether the infection is the actual cause, is being marked as a Coronavirus death.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/

Originally posted by ares834
Because idiot nutjobs think they need to buy dozens of it.



More reported deaths.



Or people clean out stores looking to get rich quick.



People are selling toilet paper online for 200 dollars.

An Arizona congresswoman appeared on the FOX News Business channel yesterday and suggested that China should forgive the U.S.'s debt to them as punishment for lying to the world.

Yeah, I'm sure China will be totally fine w/doing that.

We should just decide they forgave it and do it without their permission

If we did that, then countries around the world that we do business with would probably never trust us again and it might even spark a war with China.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Italy's numbers are kind of distorted though, because of how they are assigning deaths relative to other countries, along with the age of the population. Anyone who dies while infected, whether the infection is the actual cause, is being marked as a Coronavirus death.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/


Correct and "ding ding ding" we have a winner.


Type 2 errors (false positives) are rampant and part of what is feeding the hysteria.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
An Arizona congresswoman appeared on the FOX News Business channel yesterday and suggested that China should forgive the U.S.'s debt to them as punishment for lying to the world.

Yeah, I'm sure China will be totally fine w/doing that.

What are your thoughts about the amounts and ratios?



https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-debt-to-china-how-much-does-it-own-3306355

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
If we did that, then countries around the world that we do business with would probably never trust us again and it might even spark a war with China.

Thats not true at all. Its chinas fault, they have to pay.

People seems to forget the debt to China is inconsequential in the long run. China needs the US more than the US needs China, that why China would never choose to outright start a war with us.

Also that chicks on that went on fox and wanting China to forgive our debt is ****ing stupid.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
And prevented the panicked hoarding that has been going on at every store for weeks now.

You're right

My question is why certain folk adopted talking points from communist china about it being racist to call it the wuhan virus or chinese virus. Left leaning outlets were calling it that until China complained.

Why carry water for these pieces of utter dog shit? Can someone explain? Thanks in advance!

Oh and for those trying to blame hoarding on anything other than media induced panic: don't go there. Best not to die on that hill

Hhhhokay. So here's the Earth.... It's chilling.... and damn, that is a sweet Earth you might say.
...
So one day, we decide, those Chinese sons of bitches are going down. So we go and nuke at China.

Dems nearly twice as likely to blame Trump for coronavirus than China's communist government

Yeah, democrats are pathetic.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Thats not true at all. Its chinas fault, they have to pay.


That may be true but making them pay by telling them that we won't be paying for the huge debt we've built up with them would be a huge mistake, imo.

Agreed.

debts have to be paid, consequences for china are another thing

Originally posted by Blakemore
Hhhhokay. So here's the Earth.... It's chilling.... and damn, that is a sweet Earth you might say.
...
So one day, we decide, those Chinese sons of bitches are going down. So we go and nuke at China. ........and China be like "shit shit who the **** is shooting at us? Oh well, fire miisiles!"

There is no getting around that they either created this and or, they hid it for months.

A pandemic virus can come from anywhere. Its how prepared we for for potential pandemics that matter.

If you dont like China then dont trade with them.

What a cop out post

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
What a cop out post

Agreed.

^^programmed

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
^^programmed


Yes, you are.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Hhhhokay. So here's the Earth.... It's chilling.... and damn, that is a sweet Earth you might say.
...
So one day, we decide, those Chinese sons of bitches are going down. So we go and nuke at China. And China be like "shit shit who the **** is shooting at us? Oh well fire missles!"

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
What a cop out post


I get it. You wanna take advantage of this worldwide threat to wipe out your massive debts to China. Not gonna happen.

Maybe instead Elect a more competent President next time who takes global pandemics more seriously instead of claiming they are some kind of democratic hoax. That way you can grow more mature instead of blaming other nations for all your problems.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I get it. You wanna take advantage of this worldwide threat to wipe out your massive debts to China. Not gonna happen.

Maybe instead Elect a more competent President next time who takes global pandemics more seriously instead of claiming they are some kind of democratic hoax. That way you can grow more mature instead of blaming other nations for all your problems.

Yes or no do you agree their not shutting down wet blood markets lead to this outbreak and then their lying about it made it worse?

What should be done? "Nothing" is not acceptable. They were warned before about this and didn't listen. I'm not saying do the debt thing, but what would YOU recommend be done to make sure China learns their lesson here? And yes, we absolutely do get a say given their incompetence infected the f*cking world.

Oh and don't try to pin the blame on Trump. China owns this

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes or no do you agree their not shutting down wet blood markets lead to this outbreak and then their lying about it made it worse?

What should be done? "Nothing" is not acceptable. They were warned before about this and didn't listen. I'm not saying do the debt thing, but what would YOU recommend be done to make sure China learns their lesson here? And yes, we absolutely do get a say given their incompetence infected the f*cking world.

Oh and don't try to pin the blame on Trump. China owns this

I absolutely agree with you and Broly that China needs to be held accountable and pay in some way but I disagree with Broly that making them pay by deciding we just will stop making payments on our debt to them is the way to go about it. Suing them as Broly suggested is an option I guess but who would preside over the trial to make it fair?

Yeah I don't wanna go that exact route, but something needs to be done. SARs, now this. All cuz China doesn't learn. Actually no it's not that they don't learn it's that the government just doesn't care. They'd rather spend money on other things.

But if people want nothing at all to be done I wonder what they will say the 3rd time this happens or the 4th?

Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah I don't wanna go that exact route, but something needs to be done. SARs, now this. All cuz China doesn't learn. Actually no it's not that they don't learn it's that the government just doesn't care. They'd rather spend money on other things.

But if people want nothing at all to be done I wonder what they will say the 3rd time this happens or the 4th?


Oh, I'm sure they'll claim once again that it's somehow the United States' fault or perhaps even the West's in general or something lol.

The poor communist chinese are such innocent wittle victims who never do anythang wrong.

It's also weird seeing people praise how China is "handling" this lol.

That's like praising BP for cleaning up one of their oil spills.

Yeah, lol.

Notice how all of the people doing that are on the left though... kinda like how communism itself is on the extreme left.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Yeah, lol.

Notice how all of the people doing that are on the left though... kinda like how communism itself is on the extreme left. dur

I have noticed whenever someone says "communism wasn't done right" they usually lean left.

Originally posted by Surtur
I have noticed whenever someone says "communism wasn't done right" they usually lean left.

They always lean left. You'll never hear someone on the right sayin' stupid shit like that.

This is retartded

Yes, you are.

ok i might start a new thread to teach you. ok?

What do you think is retarded?

XpHVrrIWe_o

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Regardless deaths in Italy even being at all comparable to deaths in China says a lot.

Yeah, it shows that China has a tyrannical gov't.

Bingo.

Also every death ultimately lands more and more blood on the Chinese governments hands. No matter what country the death happens in.

Chinese factor notwithstanding, POTUS Donald Trump was also being irresponsible.

FYI: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/18/us/trump-coronavirus-statements-timeline.html

How is that excusable?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Chinese factor notwithstanding, POTUS Donald Trump was also being irresponsible.

FYI: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/18/us/trump-coronavirus-statements-timeline.html

How is that excusable?

Way I see it, China f***ed the world. Then tag teamed with the WHO.

The world leaders like Trump who were slow and dismissive only joined in the Bukake part of the whole tragedy.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Chinese factor notwithstanding, POTUS Donald Trump was also being irresponsible.

FYI: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/18/us/trump-coronavirus-statements-timeline.html

How is that excusable?

There are definitely things Trump could have done better, but if China hadn't been so lax on these wet markets and then lied about this virus we more than likely wouldn't be discussing Trump's response because no response would have been necessary from him.

Does this mean you can't want Trump to do better? No, but it does mean the blame should ultimately be put where it truly belongs if we are to go around assigning blame at all.

The world needs to think about what we're going to do to make sure this never happens again. China needs to be held responsible in some way. At least forced to shut down these markets again. And if they become lax on that enforcement there needs to be some sort of consequence.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Chinese factor notwithstanding, POTUS Donald Trump was also being irresponsible.

FYI: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/18/us/trump-coronavirus-statements-timeline.html

How is that excusable? hey legend long time no see. How ya doing bud

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Chinese factor notwithstanding, POTUS Donald Trump was also being irresponsible.

FYI: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/18/us/trump-coronavirus-statements-timeline.html

How is that excusable?

It's not.

Trump undeniably shat the bed.

Originally posted by Raptor22
hey legend long time no see. How ya doing bud
Hello friend, I am fine, thank you.

Originally posted by Surtur
There are definitely things Trump could have done better, but if China hadn't been so lax on these wet markets and then lied about this virus we more than likely wouldn't be discussing Trump's response because no response would have been necessary from him.

Does this mean you can't want Trump to do better? No, but it does mean the blame should ultimately be put where it truly belongs if we are to go around assigning blame at all.

The world needs to think about what we're going to do to make sure this never happens again. China needs to be held responsible in some way. At least forced to shut down these markets again. And if they become lax on that enforcement there needs to be some sort of consequence.
Fair enough.

My take is that there is a lesson in this outbreak for the entire world.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Way I see it, China f***ed the world. Then tag teamed with the WHO.

The world leaders like Trump who were slow and dismissive only joined in the Bukake part of the whole tragedy.
Its like a tragic comedy series.

Originally posted by ares834
It's not.

Trump undeniably shat the bed.
Good to see that people are holding all accountable. Lesson in this outbreak for the entire world.

My tinfoil hat-level conspiracy theory: Virus was released intentionally by China, within its population. This was done to avoid blame (hard to blame the victim, after all). It used its control of the WHO and western media to delay travel bans, social media/fake news network to trick simpleton politicans like Trump to downplay its risks and then used the western media to make the disease as scary and dangerous as possible as soon as it was too late to stop it.

The benefits for China are HUGE: China squashed the Hongkong protests, gained even more power over its own population (as ppl have become more pliable and are willing to sacrifice even more of their freedom for safety), managed to make their Asian neighbooring countries dependent/grateful/indebted to them (they have even begun stealing territory again) and most of all, destroyed the Western economy.

At the end of all this, China will gain FAR more than it has lost and may well be to top global economic power for the next decades.

Of course, this is just a theory. A NIBTheory!!!

(Alien Guy Meme.)

Originally posted by samhain
(Alien Guy Meme.)

https://i.imgflip.com/3tuki3.jpg

Originally posted by Surtur
There are definitely things Trump could have done better, but if China hadn't been so lax on these wet markets and then lied about this virus we more than likely wouldn't be discussing Trump's response because no response would have been necessary from him.

How is China deliberately withholding knowledge of the outbreak any different than Trump doing the same?

He knew about COVID-19 in January, but withheld testing, because he wanted to keep infection numbers artificially low to help his reelection campaign.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
He knew about COVID-19 in January, but withheld testing, because he wanted to keep infection numbers artificially low to help his reelection campaign.

Do you have a primary source for that?

Because that seems like very stupid logic. Doing anything at all to show he is on top of things and a strong leader would have helped his reelection bid.

But, but...that is Trump.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
How is China deliberately withholding knowledge of the outbreak any different than Trump doing the same?

He knew about COVID-19 in January, but withheld testing, because he wanted to keep infection numbers artificially low to help his reelection campaign.

I see that you've been watching people like Maddow.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Do you have a primary source for that?

Because that seems like very stupid logic. Doing anything at all to show he is on top of things and a strong leader would have helped his reelection bid.

But, but...that is Trump.

If he's talking about the testing delay I will note Dr. Fauci has said Trump wasn't to blame.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487985-fauci-neither-trump-nor-cdc-to-blame-for-testing-delay%3Famp& amp;ved=2ahUKEwiw6fSK0rPoAhX1B50JHUosBrkQFjAFegQIB
xAB&usg=AOvVaw2LHqdYxJzNZ19fFlbH1eMw&ampcf=1

Originally posted by Surtur
If he's talking about the testing delay I will note Dr. Fauci has said Trump wasn't to blame.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487985-fauci-neither-trump-nor-cdc-to-blame-for-testing-delay%3Famp& amp;ved=2ahUKEwiw6fSK0rPoAhX1B50JHUosBrkQFjAFegQIB
xAB&usg=AOvVaw2LHqdYxJzNZ19fFlbH1eMw&ampcf=1


I see. And Fauci was praised by Pelosi as a "truth teller." So he has bipartisan support.

Interesting. And thanks for this info.

Be fair to Adam_Poe: he was criticizing Trump, in general, for downplaying COVID-19. And then not putting in more effort around getting testing done (with the corresponding quarantines that go with a positive result).



However, I'm still of the position that COVID-19 wasn't downplayed enough and it is still largely a mass-hysteria hoax that is unjustified.




Look back at Italy: they were at 20k flu deaths around the end of Feb. They are likely around 25K. 25K!


And according to actual research, old people who died from COVID-19 are 57% likely to have other life-ending microbes in their system, as well (but COVID-19 is the big scary so they are tallied up as the killers instead of pointing to one of the other infections as the cause).

But COVID-19 is the big scary, right? We've been significantly above and only slightly below pandemic levels for the seasonal flu. Where are the news stories about it? It's killing anywhere from 5x tom 50x the amount of people as COVID-19. And we are in a giant uncharacteristic spike at the moment:

https://i.imgur.com/HGJ0dax.png





Deaths per day? Going down in Italy. New cases, new deaths: all going down in Italy. It's as if what I was saying 4 days ago was correct: they already hit population saturation. The quarantines they implemented recently were too late. With an incubation period of up to 14 days, all the infection deaths happening he last few days were from 1-2 weeks ago. the quarantines in Italy came too late.




But I'm just gaslighitng, right? Then why have I been right with the numbers time after time after time?




I'm also right about the actual infection numbers (what we have are very low as most people only get medical attention when they are ill so this greatly inflates mortality rates) being super high in Italy.

They likely have 10 times the number of cases than is reported:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/489238-10-times-more-italians-could-have-coronavirus-than?amp=1&amp_recirculation=1

Loads of coronaviruses are present in animals. Every now and again via an intermediate animal like dogs or camels they jump to humans. No genetic engineering or conspiracy theories needed Nib.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Do you have a primary source for that?

Because that seems like very stupid logic. Doing anything at all to show he is on top of things and a strong leader would have helped his reelection bid.

But, but...that is Trump.

Trump quite literally argued that he didn't want the cruise ship that was floating outside of the Golden Gate in California to dock, because that would 'bring his numbers of infected up', because if Americans are infected on a boat, they somehow don't count to the total.

Originally posted by Robtard
Trump quite literally argued that he didn't want the cruise ship that was floating outside of the Golden Gate in California to dock, because that would 'bring his numbers of infected up', because if Americans are infected on a boat, they somehow don't count to the total.

Do you have a primary source for that? Because that also seems dumb as shit for Trump to say.

A source that isn't anonymous too

Originally posted by dadudemon
Do you have a primary source for that? Because that also seems dumb as shit for Trump to say.

ExWLn86Mu_g

@ddm "I like the numbers being where they are. I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault." -Trump via Fox News interview, during the time when we only have few covid-19 cases

He's also said similar in a WH press briefing around that time, that's where I heard him iirc.

edit: Jaden ninja'd me it seems.

Originally posted by Surtur
A source that isn't anonymous too

"Trump said" means it comes directly from your orange hero's mouth. Cope now.

I'm so sorry this is happening to you

Originally posted by Nibedicus
https://i.imgflip.com/3tuki3.jpg


Lol. I was being unbelievably lazy. Kudos for calling it out.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
ExWLn86Mu_g

Originally posted by Robtard
@ddm "I like the numbers being where they are. I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault." -Trump via Fox News interview, during the time when we only have few covid-19 cases

He's also said similar in a WH press briefing around that time, that's where I heard him iirc.

edit: Jaden ninja'd me it seems.



Thanks. So not as bad as Robtard originally made it out to be but still bad.

He's such a buffoon. I could understand if he said, "...released onto American soil to infect others in the population - I like the numbers where they are..."

But he didn't.

The Comprehensive Timeline of China’s COVID-19 Lies

https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/amp/

Nib and I have been 100% spot on

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm so sorry this is happening to you

Originally posted by Nibedicus
The Comprehensive Timeline of China’s COVID-19 Lies

https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/amp/

"Clearly, the U.S. government's response to this threat was not nearly robust enough, and not enacted anywhere near quickly enough." -snip


"Robust enough"? LoL. We had Trump lying and gaslighting the country for over two months, before he flipped and declared a national emergency. Over two months wasted that could have been used to prepare and stockpile supplies.

Should probably do one of Trump and his covid-19 lies at some point:

'In a few days we will be down to almost zero cases.'

'We have covid-19 contained.'

'This is their new hoax.'

Originally posted by Robtard
"Clearly, the U.S. government's response to this threat was not nearly robust enough, and not enacted anywhere near quickly enough." -snip


"Robust enough"? LoL. We had Trump lying and gaslighting the country for over two months, before he flipped and declared a national emergency. Over two months wasted that could have been used to prepare and stockpile supplies.

Should probably do one of Trump and his covid-19 lies at some point:

'In a few days we will be down to almost zero cases.'

'We have covid-19 contained.'

'This is their new hoax.'


There's like....2 different realities involved in this COVID-19 bullshit.



There's the truth. The actual reality. Where:

1. We likely have greater than 50% of the population already exposed to COVID-19
2. 90%+ of the people are asymptomatic once they "contract" COVID-19.
3. Less than .1% of people exposed to COVID-19 require hospitalization and over that .1%, even fewer die.
4. Of the people who do die with COVID-19 found in their bodies, 57% of other diseases present that are just as likely if not more likely to have killed them, which is inflating the COVID-19 mortality attributions.


Then there's this mass hysteria reality. A fantasy reality of falsehoods. Where:

1. COVID-19 is being touted as having a mortality rate of 2%-5%
2. We need to lock down the population in very strict ways to prevent the people from being exposed to COVID-19 to greatly reduce the deaths to not overburden our hospitals. This is because it is believed that only a small portion of the population have been exposed and if more get exposed, we will kill anywhere from 3-10 million Americans.
3. We need to be locked down for months to prevent this spread to save millions of lives.
4. Anyone who objects to these top 3 are considered gaslighters, tin-foil hat hoax-callers calling this hysteria a conspiracy theory.
5. Trump and any leader who downplayed this are "bad" and "stupid."
6. Costing the world economy trillions in lost productivity, destroying working-class people's lives by a billion or more people, and causing damage to the economy that may last up to 20 years, is all worth it.




And as the data keeps pouring in and it matches closer and closer to my projections made weeks ago, I get more and more confirmation of how retarded and hysterical everyone is being about this.

We have math. We have modeling. We have testing criteria we can use for infectious diseases to determine infection vectors and the strength of this microbe. There's no reason at all we cannot calm this hysteria and bring everyone back to reality. We will likely see many suicides, violence, and homicides related to this stress and sheltering in place from this hysteria. Perhaps more lives will be lost than saved because of this.

Any leader who downplayed this early on is indeed at fault. If we're blaming China for their shit antics and lies early on, why excuse other leaders.

Originally posted by Robtard
Any leader who downplayed this early on is indeed at fault. If we're blaming China for their shit antics and lies early on, why excuse other leaders.

Your premise is faulty to begin with.

Your premise assumes that this was a serious enough situation that we needed to do literally anything at a national level.

We didn't.



This is not a pandemic. It doesn't even come close to meeting the criteria. And the "experts" involved with this knew that. We had bad data and poor testing which resulted in terribly overblown mortality statistics. Now that we are able to do better research, we can clearly see that this is far less deadly than we were led to believe.



Change the entire premise of your argument.

If this was not very deadly to begin with, why is there even a conversation happening at the national level regarding this? Why are we even talking about leadership responses to an illness that has a hospitalization rate of less than 1 in 1000? More people die daily from norovirus and require hospitalization for it. TB is far worse. Should not the discussion be moved to the problems with Mass Media and social media causing inappropriate hysteria and economic losses? From the beginning, the media had a responsibility to caution ALL discussions of deaths with a, "This is, again, only a subset of a subset of people and experts caution us that true mortality rates are far less than we we have available."?

Maybe the premise you're making and applying to me is.

This is also avoiding that leaders lied, if China's to blame for lying, so are other world leaders.

Originally posted by Robtard
Maybe the premise you're making and applying to me is.

This is also avoiding that leaders lied, if China's to blame for lying, so are other world leaders.

I think China may not have lied as much as was claimed. They may very well have told the truth. It may be even less "bad" than China thinks, too.

Thank you doctor, virologist, immunologist and general know-it-all DDM.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
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Seemed I missed this gem, a huge kudos to the person or people who lumped the Trump shit-show into one video.

Just one of several flips:

"No, we're not worried at all" -Trump Jan 22nd when asked about whether his admin is worried about a pandemic

"We pretty much shut it down." -Trump Jan 31st

"This is a pandemic. I pretty much felt this was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic." -Trump March 17th


The reason he does this, is because Trumpers rarely, if ever call him out on it, they typically either hand-wave it away or spin and defend. Haven been since 2016.

Originally posted by Robtard
Thank you doctor, virologist, immunologist and general know-it-all DDM.

Seems I've upset you with facts. I will not apologize for being right.

But, yes, it does feel damn good to be vindicated, slowly, as time keeps moving forward. It's why, in the face of hysteria and retardness, people who are right should not budge or cave. I've stuck to my position for quite a while now and now the data is coming back around to support my modeling.

Here's my major problem with what Trump did: he folded from his original position, which was the most correct position. Then he kept moving his position slowly towards the hysterical narrative until he was all in. When the correct, fact-based position was his original which was, "No, we're not worried at all."

I think I'll stick to the experts like Fauci, thanks though.

That post will very much impress your KMC kids, your true targets. So kudos there.

Originally posted by Robtard
I think I'll stick to the experts like Fauci, thanks though.

So you'll stick with Fauci's position about locking down the nation and not the experts at Oxford, right?

Why?

What about the raw data that I've assembled and provided citations for? You have a problem with that, too?

Originally posted by Robtard
That post will very much impress your KMC kids, your true targets. So kudos there.

My target is everyone.

Briefed leadership this morning, where I work, too. They are going to relax capital expenditure controls on projects because of my fact-based input.

Does this upset you?

Seems that Rob needs others to tell him what to think.

Originally posted by dadudemon
So you'll stick with Fauci's position


Yes, that was clear in my post, I'm sticking with the experts.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Briefed leadership this morning, where I work, too. They are going to relax capital expenditure controls on projects because of my fact-based input.

Does this upset you?

Legit laughed out loud. Thanks for that.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Seems that Rob needs others to tell him what to think.

^Time-waster-troll

How original

Agreed with the sarcasm. Your skit is very stale and boring; has been for years.

Yes, I'm sure that you're very tired of me telling the truth.