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For Cornoa relief and now Nancy wants to redo the whole bill.

Pathetic

What reasons did they give for blocking it?

No reason worth being a reason

Okay, but what reasons did they try to claim?

"Trump"

The main contention seems to be this:




I think both sides have merit from their viewpoint, and the argument over this bill is actually a consummate epitome of conservative vs liberal economic policy. The Dems want money to go directly to the workers who are now unemployed, whereas the Repubs want the money going primarily to sustain the failing businesses that were involuntarily shut down. Again, where you fall in this argument depends on whether you think the backbone of the economy is the employees or the employers.

The thing is, they need to work out a compromise soon, but both parties are so fervent in their positions that they believe any compromise will mean surrender to the other side. And if the bill doesn't pass, both sides will blame each other based on their above stated ideologies. The American public will suffer, and both sides will use that suffering to proselytize their bases, and America's process of bipartisan brainwashing will continue it's eternal cycle.

BTW, saying the Dems hate it "cuz Trump" is eerily similar to when McConnell was refusing to pass Veteran Aid bills "cuz Obama". Again, bipartisan hypocrisy proves to be the poison of American thinking.

Originally posted by Lestov16
The main contention seems to be this:




I think both sides have merit from their viewpoint, and the argument over this bill is actually a consummate epitome of conservative vs liberal economic policy. The Dems want money to go directly to the workers who are now unemployed, whereas the Repubs want the money going primarily to sustain the failing businesses that were involuntarily shut down. Again, where you fall in this argument depends on whether you think the backbone of the economy is the employees or the employers.

The thing is, they need to work out a compromise soon, but both parties are so fervent in their positions that they believe any compromise will mean surrender to the other side. And if the bill doesn't pass, both sides will blame each other based on their above stated ideologies. The American public will suffer, and both sides will use that suffering to proselytize their bases, and America's process of bipartisan brainwashing will continue it's eternal cycle.

BTW, saying the Dems hate it "cuz Trump" is eerily similar to when McConnell was refusing to pass Veteran Aid bills "cuz Obama". Again, bipartisan hypocrisy proves to be the poison of American thinking.

Seems like the Dems are right this time?

The people targeted by this (people making less than 55k for individuals and I don't remember what it is for married couples) are going to spend it all, anyway. Some businesses are just wanting that money to prop up their company and the people are not necessarily going to spend it on their business.

Airlines

Hotels

and all the other stuff people are not doing due to the inappropriate COVID-19 hystera.

You suck /bash

Originally posted by dadudemon
Seems like the Dems are right this time?

The people targeted by this (people making less than 55k for individuals and I don't remember what it is for married couples) are going to spend it all, anyway. Some businesses are just wanting that money to prop up their company and the people are not necessarily going to spend it on their business.

Airlines

Hotels

and all the other stuff people are not doing due to the inappropriate COVID-19 hystera.

I never said one side was right and the other was wrong. I said that both sides had merits to their arguments, which they do. One could make the argument that workers should be prioritized over businesses as people can create(or recreate) businesses, whereas businesses can't create people. People will hopefully spend it all, on necessities, as they will be unemployed for 9 months or more under quarantine and still must cover their nutrition, medicine, and utilities. I don't think it's even possible to waste it, as all extravagant spending locales have been closed down (unless they decide to foolishly splurge on Amazon). Also, it seems the Dems also want more money going towards the hospitals and health professionals who actually have to fight this thing. I think it's safe to say the hospitals need more increased and immediate funding than the airports/hotels atm.

I'm not saying you're 100% wrong, but I am saying that your views can be contested (and are being contested in Congress as we speak).

Originally posted by dadudemon
Seems like the Dems are right this time?

The people targeted by this (people making less than 55k for individuals and I don't remember what it is for married couples) are going to spend it all, anyway. Some businesses are just wanting that money to prop up their company and the people are not necessarily going to spend it on their business.

Airlines

Hotels

and all the other stuff people are not doing due to the inappropriate COVID-19 hystera.

Nothing they pass will be perfect, but getting money out to *some* people who need it is better than nobody who needs it getting any money I would imagine. It seems like repubs wanted to give people cash and dems didn't think it went far enough and wanted unemployment insurance, etc. If it's the only plan they can get the repubs to pass I say go for it, it will be republicans who take the hit if it doesn't work out.

Dems need to decide how long they are willing to delay over this. Cuz it probably isn't just going to be republicans upset over this block.

Originally posted by Surtur
It seems like repubs wanted to give people cash and dems didn't think it went far enough and wanted unemployment insurance, etc.

It seems like you did not read it, because Republicans want to give half-a-trillion dollars to corporations, and Democrats want to give money to actual people.

I gotcha, repubs bad dems good.

Originally posted by Surtur
Nothing they pass will be perfect, but getting money out to *some* people who need it is better than nobody who needs it getting any money I would imagine. It seems like repubs wanted to give people cash and dems didn't think it went far enough and wanted unemployment insurance, etc. If it's the only plan they can get the repubs to pass I say go for it, it will be republicans who take the hit if it doesn't work out.

Dems need to decide how long they are willing to delay over this. Cuz it probably isn't just going to be republicans upset over this block.

This is a difficult situation. History, and human nature itself imo, would suggest that large corporate bailouts without strict regulations and direction for spending will create significant agency problems. Giving out money to corporations that might not necessarily use it to support the consumer (The backbone of the American economy) is a very possibility.

I haven't read the Bill, but perhaps 50/50 split in the funding, as simple as that seems? And much more allocation to hospitals and health care professionals? That last point should be bipartisan. Seems like the center has been hollowed out. Too many extreme voices.

Some corporate bailouts will be needed. We absolutely need to bail out the airlines even though they are greedy as f*ck(while also forbidding them from their stock buy back practices).

However, the question is *when* to bail them out. I'd save the corporations for last.

Anyone who truly believes that the democrats blocked this emergency bill because they truly care soooo much about American workers you are incredibly naive:

https:///www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWEyaJH2oPI

^I agree with all that, and only that. No underlying political issues should be in this bill.

DDM seems like you agree more with the republicans than democrats.

But can someone explain to me what carbon emissions have to do with the coronavirus? Or reports about pay equity?

Originally posted by Surtur
DDM seems like you agree more with the republicans than democrats.

But can someone explain to me what carbon emissions have to do with the coronavirus? Or reports about pay equity?

It doesn't just seem that way, it is the truth. I readily admitted to falling for the Dem bullshit media machine.


And it has nothing to do with it. It is why Ron Paul strongly opposed earmarks and things like that. It is why he and his son so routinely vote no against so many bills. If every congressman voted no on bills that had stuff in it that was not related to the point of the bill, they'd stop sneaking shit in.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It doesn't just seem that way, it is the truth. I readily admitted to falling for the Dem bullshit media machine.


And it has nothing to do with it. It is why Ron Paul strongly opposed earmarks and things like that. It is why he and his son so routinely vote no against so many bills. If every congressman voted no on bills that had stuff in it that was not related to the point of the bill, they'd stop sneaking shit in.

I understand, and boy do the democrats come off like people who put identity politics before country instead of putting country before party like they claim.

https://twitter.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1242230425189220359

Just...wow

On March 22nd the New York Times posted a story...they changed the headline *three* different times. The first headline:

"Democrats Block Action on $1.8 Trillion Stimulus"

This was then changed to:

"Democrats Block Action on Stimulus Plan, Seeking Worker Protections"

Which was finally changed to:

"Partisan Divide Threatens Deal on Rescue Bill"

Holy shit these people are the enemy. This is propaganda.

But what do reports about pay equity have to do with this virus?

Lulz the quick pitch and run......at least give the author credit:

Source

Considering the source I can see why Adam didn't wanna mention where he got it, lmao...Kurt Eichenwald.

Of course politico has made it clear Schumer has been working on a deal with Mnuchin in the Senate to bring to a vote today as well.



https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/23/senate-coronavirus-rescue-package-143799?cid=covid_m

Amazeballs, Schumer actually has a say in the Senate bill, you wouldn't believe that the way it has generally been reported....but hey corona virus threats mean green deals to the rescue....derp.

It's over:


Pelosi folded.

https://justthenews.com/government/congress/pelosi-says-she-will-try-passing-senates-coronavirus-stimulus-without-members


We are good to go with the bill. She'll inject her identity politics and corporatism into another bill, in the future.

Is this part true:

"According to the New York Times, Senate Republicans unveiled a package that would provide hundreds of billions of dollars in loans to big corporations and small businesses, large corporate tax cuts and checks of up to $1,200 for taxpayers. However, the plan would place limits on a paid-leave program enacted this week in response to the crisis." -snip

"The Republican plan proposes to send checks as large as $1,200 per adult to individuals earning less than $99,000 per year. According to the Times, “the payments would phase in for earners up to $75,000 — meaning lower earners would get smaller checks — and then phase out again at $99,000.” Those who did not earn enough to pay income tax would receive $600 checks." -snip



^ That's socialism, Trumpers.

^The coping begins eat

This entire shambles is even worse than the debt ceiling/government shutdown posturing.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
This entire shambles is even worse than the debt ceiling/government shutdown posturing.

It feels like I'm watching a cooking show and two contestants are competing to see who makes the best tasting shit sandwich.

Originally posted by Surtur
^The coping begins eat

You're just pissed off that since you're unemployed and already taking government benefits, you probably won't be getting a check. Than again, you might be able to shit-weasel one regardless.

ps Enjoy your socialism

Originally posted by Robtard
You're just pissed off that since you're unemployed and already taking government benefits, you probably won't be getting a check. Than again, you might be able to shit-weasel one regardless.

You spin this whatever way you like champ

Originally posted by Surtur
It feels like I'm watching a cooking show and two contestants are competing to see who makes the best tasting shit sandwich.

It really is horrendous. More and more it highlights the need to break the two party system.

Originally posted by Surtur
You spin this whatever way you like champ

You're okay with socialism when it personally benefits you.

If attacking me is how you intend to cope with ol' Crumbs Pelosi folding...okay

@surtur Pointing out your antics is really upsetting you. Enjoy the socialism.

#Projection

America is a socialist country that isn't a "shit hole".

I can't understand why this thing with Pelosi has angered you.

Originally posted by Robtard
America is a socialist country that isn't a "shit hole".

It is a shithole though.

U can barely walk in San Francisco without stepping in poop.

Surt, will you be applying for a piece of that delicious socialism corona check?

Originally posted by Robtard
Surt, will you be applying for a piece of that delicious socialism corona check?

https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/there-is-no-need-to-be-upset-gif-6.gif

That's a dodge, to be expected. Yes, you will be applying for a piece of the socialism pie.

That's a dodge, to be expected. Yes, you will be applying for a piece of the socialism pie.

You being triggered by this is unexpected, but not unwelcome

Surt hates having his crippling levels of hypocrisy pointed out.

https://media.tenor.com/images/b85413b368392ba78e647438f2366d46/tenor.gif