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Superman at his average against an top tier phoenix host

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https://i.postimg.cc/QK1hZSdt/Superman-Rebirth-Deluxe-Edition-Book-2-600x909.jpg

He dies

The question is, what do you consider an average Superman?

Casual Superman still has atto reaction time, still fly ftl, can destroy a planet by just jumping, and can survive a planet exploding in his face.

Superman beats the Phoenix force out of them.

Dies what else

Superman fanboys are hilarious.

Its always great to see more newer logical peeps on the forum. Welcome heru

superman kills the phoenix 5

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Its always great to see more newer logical peeps on the forum. Welcome heru Welcome thanks for having me.

Lol heru has been here since 2006 - hardly a new member....

He turns into ashes

Quite well.

Superman with ease.
1. He would view anyone of them as statues.
2. His strength exceeds theirs by an astronomical amount.

Not well.

Phoenix.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol heru has been here since 2006 - hardly a new member.... Lol thanks for the observation.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman with ease.
1. He would view anyone of them as statues.
2. His strength exceeds theirs by an astronomical amount. Fanboy Alert

You're welcome.

Originally posted by heru
Fanboy Alert
How can it be fanboy alert when I can prove my claims?
Do you have proof ghat any statement I made is false?


Superman has better than attosecond perceptions. Therefore 1 second to him is like billions of years. That proves his opponent will be a statue.

Superman has strength feats far above any of the Phoenix hosts.

The Phoenix can devour the very star that Superman gets his power from. They win.

Originally posted by Stoic
The Phoenix can devour the very star that Superman gets his power from. They win.


But Superman can absorb The Phoenix. Just like he did Meggaddans anti sunlight.

Originally posted by heru
Fanboy Alert



https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a153367962a2a7de76f18a6142616631


Reality is a Superman fanboy.

"Superman can absorb the phoenix"

WTF

If you had said that on any other forum you would've been given a warning for trolling

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
"Superman can absorb the phoenix"

WTF

If you had said that on any other forum you would've been given a warning for trolling


Why? I gave an example of him absorbing the power of a high cosmic being, Meggadon. And of him KOing World Forger with a minor sun amp. Phoenix eats suns, meaning Superman would suck its power up like a milkshake through a straw.

So you've obviously never read a comic on Phoenix

PHOENIX EATS stars, go ahead and tell me what happened when Galactus tried to remove the phoenix from Rachel

"mageddon"

The phoenix force is psionic energy, not some sun rays or anti ray shit. That's a terrible comparison, stop trolling

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
"mageddon"

The phoenix force is psionic energy, not some sun rays or anti ray shit. That's a terrible comparison, stop trolling



It's too bad Superman doesn't have a history of taking down psionic powerhouses.


Oh wait, he does. Dominus, who was powerful enough to injure Eternity's DC counterpart Kismet. And Milton Fine Brainiac, who took out the entire New Gods cast on New Genesis, made everyone on Earth believe Supermans body was in his tomb while still in the New Gods universe, and attacked Superman directly inside a construct of pure psionic energy.


And Superman beat his ass down.


Milton Fine has better feats then the Phoenix Five, he'd easily beat any of them.

the Phoenix is cosmic energy not psionic and being cosmic it could just switch to whatever energy form superman cant absorb.

WE'RE ACTUALLY having this convo. hilarious

Theres context for that dominus feat BTW

And Superman's been hurt by far less psionic users. Don't make me pull the scans out

Originally posted by cdtm
It's too bad Superman doesn't have a history of taking down psionic powerhouses.


Oh wait, he does. Dominus, who was powerful enough to injure Eternity's DC counterpart Kismet. And Milton Fine Brainiac, who took out the entire New Gods cast on New Genesis, made everyone on Earth believe Supermans body was in his tomb while still in the New Gods universe, and attacked Superman directly inside a construct of pure psionic energy.


And Superman beat his ass down.


Milton Fine has better feats then the Phoenix Five, he'd easily beat any of them.

Superman wins that through trickery. Not head to head.

Imagine thinking the Phoenix is just only "psionic energy"

The Phoenix is COSMIC, It's just drawn to psionic energy due to psionic powered beings being the better hosts of it's power:

https://i.postimg.cc/8fRJhkgY/Screenshot-15.png

Alberto's so stupid he doesn't even remember his own arguments:


Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
"mageddon"

The phoenix force is psionic energy, not some sun rays or anti ray shit. That's a terrible comparison, stop trolling




I have your goal post shift covered. Dominus is a cosmic being, as is World Forger.



Superman wins.

Originally posted by cdtm
Alberto's so stupid he doesn't even remember his own arguments:







I have your goal post shift covered. Dominus is a cosmic being, as is World Forger.



Superman wins.

Yeah except Dominus was weak as hell in the end. He couldn't even use his powers without weakening himself. He wasn't even beaten by Superman right away, he actually trapped Superman for a while.

Don't leave out context next time

*edit

Dominus was weak as hell in the end and no where near Phoenix level, hell he was barely herald level. He couldn't even use his powers without weakening himself. He wasn't even beaten by Superman right away, he actually trapped Superman for a while.

You and Heru should get a room under some bridge, you make a good troll couple.

Originally posted by cdtm
You and Heru should get a room under some bridge, you make a good troll couple.

Phoenix eats a portion of a star which causes it to be unstable and supernova.

Phoenix can not leave the battlefield, otherwise Superman can go sundipp and ko Phoenix in a single blow.

Originally posted by h1a8
How can it be fanboy alert when I can prove my claims?
Do you have proof ghat any statement I made is false?


Superman has better than attosecond perceptions. Therefore 1 second to him is like billions of years. That proves his opponent will be a statue.

Superman has strength feats far above any of the Phoenix hosts. The Phoenix is a cosmic force that grants a host it's cosmic abilities. Abilities that can clearly out class strength and speed. Not to mention it enhances the host natural abilities. Let's look at some of Phoenix abilities and see how many ways it can trump strengh and speed.
1. Ability to manipulate matter. The host can clearly turn Superman clothing into kryptonite taking the strength away from him

2. Ability to manipulate energy. Another way to beat him would be draining the solar energy out of him, taking away every super ability about him. Speed, strength, etc.

3. Psionic and Telepathy abilities. After stripping Supes of all his abilities. The host can make him go crazy mentally, and have him kill himself.

4. Life force manipulation. This is one of my favorites. Speeding up Supes life span once he's in a weaken state. Turning him into a 90yr old man.

5. And the reason why this is capable is because the host also possess cosmic awareness. Allowing them to know Superman is coming, and know what make Superman, Superman.

If both characters were written to there full potential. The fight would be over before Superman even knew what was happening to him.

Originally posted by cdtm
You and Heru should get a room under some bridge, you make a good troll couple. Don't me mad because we're speaking logic to a bunch of cheerleaders.

Originally posted by heru
The Phoenix is a cosmic force that grants a host it's cosmic abilities. Abilities that can clearly out class strength and speed. Not to mention it enhances the host natural abilities. Let's look at some of Phoenix abilities and see how many ways it can trump strengh and speed.
1. Ability to manipulate matter. The host can clearly turn Superman clothing into kryptonite taking the strength away from him

2. Ability to manipulate energy. Another way to beat him would be draining the solar energy out of him, taking away every super ability about him. Speed, strength, etc.

3. Psionic and Telepathy abilities. After stripping Supes of all his abilities. The host can make him go crazy mentally, and have him kill himself.

4. Life force manipulation. This is one of my favorites. Speeding up Supes life span once he's in a weaken state. Turning him into a 90yr old man.

5. And the reason why this is capable is because the host also possess cosmic awareness. Allowing them to know Superman is coming, and know what make Superman, Superman.

If both characters were written to there full potential. The fight would be over before Superman even knew what was happening to him.

1. You have to give feats of them matter manipulating stuff. Otherwise they don't have the ability and, most importantly, the propensity to do such. Also kryptonite from different universes don't work on Superman. And none of them know how to make kryptonite.
Terrible logic here.

2. You have to provide feats of them being able to drain energy out of a being. Without feats then this point is dead.

3. You have to provide feats of their TP abilities (members of the P5).

4. You have to provide proof that they can do this as well. Also you have to provide proof that they have the propensity to do it too.

5. They can just see Superman coming (assuming he purposely moves slow enough). This point makes absolutely no sense. You are terrible.



With that said, even if all your points are valid then none of them defeats the fact that each member would be a statue to Superman for a long time. Think of metro man. Do you really believe that someone frozen can actually beat anyone? You can't affect someone if
1. You don't know where they are
2. They don't give you the opportunity to act.
3. If you are always frozen to them.

Clark fails.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. You have to give feats of them matter manipulating stuff. Otherwise they don't have the ability and, most importantly, the propensity to do such. Also kryptonite from different universes don't work on Superman. And none of them know how to make kryptonite.
Terrible logic here.

2. You have to provide feats of them being able to drain energy out of a being. Without feats then this point is dead.

3. You have to provide feats of their TP abilities (members of the P5).

4. You have to provide proof that they can do this as well. Also you have to provide proof that they have the propensity to do it too.

5. They can just see Superman coming (assuming he purposely moves slow enough). This point makes absolutely no sense. You are terrible.



With that said, even if all your points are valid then none of them defeats the fact that each member would be a statue to Superman for a long time. Think of metro man. Do you really believe that someone frozen can actually beat anyone? You can't affect someone if
1. You don't know where they are
2. They don't give you the opportunity to act.
3. If you are always frozen to them. All is proven based off of the abilities stated that a host is capable of doing. In case you didn't know what cosmic awareness means. It's the knowledge of knowing, about who or what is a possible threat to you before it happens. It's the prep without having the time factor of studying the threat. If Batman is able to take supes down, giving enough time, and he's a human with no powers. A cosmic being with cosmic awareness and abilities will rape Superman. They will know everything about him before he arrives on the scene, and he will know nothing about his opponent. Like I said he looses before the fight even began.

Some are stronger than others, depending on their natural ability. None the less they're all on a cosmic level. A human with no super power will still be a threat to anyone less than cosmic. When bonded with a host, the Phoenix Force amplifies their abilities to incalculable levels. It can manipulate matter on a sub-atomic level and transmute elements, like turning wood to gold or stone to crystal. It can teleport others across space and open interdimensional_portals_to instantly access distant portions of the Universe. Now add all of the above to someone who already have super powers, and the problem becomes more than catastrophic. Those who believe Superman can win, off of just strength and speed are delusional. The abilities of the Phoenix are tailored made to exploit all of Superman Weaknesses.

Originally posted by cdtm
Why? I gave an example of him absorbing the power of a high cosmic being, Meggadon. And of him KOing World Forger with a minor sun amp. Phoenix eats suns, meaning Superman would suck its power up like a milkshake through a straw.

that's actually a viable tactic

Originally posted by heru
Some are stronger than others, depending on their natural ability. None the less they're all on a cosmic level. A human with no super power will still be a threat to anyone less than cosmic. When bonded with a host, the Phoenix Force amplifies their abilities to incalculable levels. It can manipulate matter on a sub-atomic level and transmute elements, like turning wood to gold or stone to crystal. It can teleport others across space and open interdimensional_portals_to instantly access distant portions of the Universe. Now add all of the above to someone who already have super powers, and the problem becomes more than catastrophic. Those who believe Superman can win, off of just strength and speed are delusional. The abilities of the Phoenix are tailored made to exploit all of Superman Weaknesses.

Agreed

Originally posted by heru
All is proven based off of the abilities stated that a host is capable of doing. In case you didn't know what cosmic awareness means. It's the knowledge of knowing, about who or what is a possible threat to you before it happens. It's the prep without having the time factor of studying the threat. If Batman is able to take supes down, giving enough time, and he's a human with no powers. A cosmic being with cosmic awareness and abilities will rape Superman. They will know everything about him before he arrives on the scene, and he will know nothing about his opponent. Like I said he looses before the fight even began.

Again, you have to prove with feats. So far you have given nothing but speculation. Not only Prove that any of those Hosts can do the things you say but they have the propensity to do them (something you are leaving out).

Originally posted by h1a8
Again, you have to prove with feats. So far you have given nothing but speculation. Not only Prove that any of those Hosts can do the things you say but they have the propensity to do them (something you are leaving out).

Do you think Superman can hold his own against this team and if you say yes, prove it WITH SCANS.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75497/2477411-avx_zone__010.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Do you think Superman can hold his own against this team and if you say yes, prove it WITH SCANS.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/75497/2477411-avx_zone__010.jpg

Yes, the femptosecond scan and the star towing scan proves it.
They all will be frozen in time and Superman has the strength to one shot each member.

His HV can one shot most of them and freeze breath can halt most of them and gale breath can keep most of them away.

Considering Cap A and Ben were drawing blood, and Grimm KOED Namor, that's a bad example to use Carvy.

Superman would get beaten senseless.

Originally posted by h1a8
Again, you have to prove with feats. So far you have given nothing but speculation. Not only Prove that any of those Hosts can do the things you say but they have the propensity to do them (something you are leaving out). The proof is in the literature of the character who created it. Just read up on the character. I don't need to know feats to know what Superman is capable of, because his abilities are well known, and they're basic. Plus it's time consuming looking for feats when you can read up on the character. The abilities are not speculated, when it's documented that all host are granted the abilities of the force. The abilities of the force alone clearly trumps speed and strength. If both characters are written to there full potential, no favoritism, fanboyism, or popularity contest intended. Superman looses. If that's not clear enough then do your own research.

Originally posted by heru
The proof is in the literature of the character who created it. Just read up on the character. I don't need to know feats to know what Superman is capable of, because his abilities are well known, and they're basic. Plus it's time consuming looking for feats when you can read up on the character. The abilities are not speculated, when it's documented that all host are granted the abilities of the force. The abilities of the force alone clearly trumps speed and strength. If both characters are written to there full potential, no favoritism, fanboyism, or popularity contest intended. Superman looses. If that's not clear enough then do your own research. We don't debate based on wikis here, sorry.

Originally posted by heru
The proof is in the literature of the character who created it. Just read up on the character. I don't need to know feats to know what Superman is capable of, because his abilities are well known, and they're basic. Plus it's time consuming looking for feats when you can read up on the character. The abilities are not speculated, when it's documented that all host are granted the abilities of the force. The abilities of the force alone clearly trumps speed and strength. If both characters are written to there full potential, no favoritism, fanboyism, or popularity contest intended. Superman looses. If that's not clear enough then do your own research.

1. Without feats or evidence in the actual comics then any literature (which you haven't produced) holds no water. You have to prove through feats.
Telling someone to read up on a character isn't a defense to a claim.


2. You also have to prove propensity. You keep arguing only "ability" or "capability".

Dude Superman looses. That's the logical conclusion. To anyone who knows what both characters bring to the table. There's know feat or logic on superman part that would proof otherwise.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Without feats or evidence in the actual comics then any literature (which you haven't produced) holds no water. You have to prove through feats.
Telling someone to read up on a character isn't a defense to a claim.


2. You also have to prove propensity. You keep arguing only "ability" or "capability".

It was literally stated the phoenix force gave jean the power to manipulate matter on a UNIVERSAL level

Originally posted by heru
Dude Superman looses. That's the logical conclusion. To anyone who knows what both characters bring to the table. There's know feat or logic on superman part that would proof otherwise.

Welcome to KMC. We don't do that here in anything that involves Superman. It is vital that he never lose at anything or to anyone.

Nor is there any longer an "average" Superman on this site. It will always be multiversal Superman vs. Your character and whatever pathetic feats that can be handpicked out of the bottom of the barrell.

Superman mindrapes the Phoenix.

Wow, you don't sound bitter at all.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Considering Cap A and Ben were drawing blood, and Grimm KOED Namor, that's a bad example to use Carvy.

Originally posted by heru
Dude Superman looses. That's the logical conclusion. To anyone who knows what both characters bring to the table. There's know feat or logic on superman part that would proof otherwise.
But you haven't provided any evidence. Again we use feats to back up claims. Without specific comic showings then you have no case. You can keep spouting Superman loses all you want. But it holds no water unless you can prove your claims with actual comic showings. If you are going to keep claiming things without proof then that wouldn't be smart on this site. You know what I mean?


With that said, Superman is insanely stronger by feats. Superman is insanely faster by feats too.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It was literally stated the phoenix force gave jean the power to manipulate matter on a UNIVERSAL level
Show proof that they can manipulate all matter in the universe.
Scans?

Show proof that they won't be a statue to someone with attosecond perceptions or are durable enough to withstand someone who is strong enough to break objects that can support many Star weights.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Welcome to KMC. We don't do that here in anything that involves Superman. It is vital that he never lose at anything or to anyone.

Nor is there any longer an "average" Superman on this site. It will always be multiversal Superman vs. Your character and whatever pathetic feats that can be handpicked out of the bottom of the barrell.

Superman mindrapes the Phoenix.

Why are you supporting someone who is clearly trolling? Making claims without comic proof. We argue by using feats here.

What fts are you using H1? Post them

Originally posted by carver9
What fts are you using H1? Post them

Using to prove what?
That Superman is faster and has better than attosecond perceptions?
That Superman is physically stronger?

She stomped a high herald like Thor without trying

https://i.postimg.cc/yWGZD5KH/thoremmafrostbattle10.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
Using to prove what?
That Superman is faster and has better than attosecond perceptions?
That Superman is physically stronger?

Show me

Originally posted by h1a8
But you haven't provided any evidence. Again we use feats to back up claims. Without specific comic showings then you have no case. You can keep spouting Superman loses all you want. But it holds no water unless you can prove your claims with actual comic showings. If you are going to keep claiming things without proof then that wouldn't be smart on this site. You know what I mean?


With that said, Superman is insanely stronger by feats. Superman is insanely faster by feats too.


Show proof that they can manipulate all matter in the universe.
Scans?

Show proof that they won't be a statue to someone with attosecond perceptions or are durable enough to withstand someone who is strong enough to break objects that can support many Star weights. Everyone on here with knowledge of both characters that superman looses this fight. You must be the only one, that is not familiar with the phoenix. If you are than you know also that Superman chances are slim to winning. To keep going back and forth is pointless. Yes I understand you're a Superman fan, I understand you probably would like to be him if you could, and I also understand in your world Superman can never loose, but the reality whether you choose to accept it or not. He's out of his league. A being who can barely stack up to Doomsday. Is not beating the Phoenix.

Originally posted by h1a8
But you haven't provided any evidence. Again we use feats to back up claims. Without specific comic showings then you have no case. You can keep spouting Superman loses all you want. But it holds no water unless you can prove your claims with actual comic showings. If you are going to keep claiming things without proof then that wouldn't be smart on this site. You know what I mean?


With that said, Superman is insanely stronger by feats. Superman is insanely faster by feats too.


Show proof that they can manipulate all matter in the universe.
Scans?

Show proof that they won't be a statue to someone with attosecond perceptions or are durable enough to withstand someone who is strong enough to break objects that can support many Star weights. Everyone on here with knowledge of both characters knows that superman looses this fight. You must be the only one, that is not familiar with the phoenix. If you are than you know also that Superman chances are slim to winning. To keep going back and forth is pointless. Yes I understand you're a Superman fan, I understand you probably would like to be him if you could, and I also understand in your world Superman can never loose, but the reality whether you choose to accept it or not. He's out of his league. A being who can barely stack up to Doomsday. Is not beating the Phoenix.

Originally posted by heru
Everyone on here with knowledge of both characters knows that superman looses this fight. You must be the only one, that is not familiar with the phoenix. If you are than you know also that Superman chances are slim to winning. To keep going back and forth is pointless. Yes I understand you're a Superman fan, I understand you probably would like to be him if you could, and I also understand in your world Superman can never loose, but the reality whether you choose to accept it or not. He's out of his league. A being who can barely stack up to Doomsday. Is not beating the Phoenix.

This is a debate forum. Either debate or get out. Stop trolling.
I'm going to start reporting you.
I already stated the huge speed and strength difference. Superman stomps hard.

Originally posted by heru
Everyone on here with knowledge of both characters knows that superman looses this fight. You must be the only one, that is not familiar with the phoenix. If you are than you know also that Superman chances are slim to winning. To keep going back and forth is pointless. Yes I understand you're a Superman fan, I understand you probably would like to be him if you could, and I also understand in your world Superman can never loose, but the reality whether you choose to accept it or not. He's out of his league. A being who can barely stack up to Doomsday. Is not beating the Phoenix.

Look at this dude projecting.

Superman wins.

I wonder who heru is a sock of.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I wonder who heru is a sock of.

Enzeru? RealityWarper?

Wow, this is still going?


It's long been established Superman stomp the entire PF, let alone a host. This should be closed for spite against Phoenix Force.

wait you think Superman can stomp the ACTUAL abstract Phoenix entity? This one?

https://i.postimg.cc/VJQzczcd/2363684-phoenixdone.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Show me Show you what?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
wait you think Superman can stomp the ACTUAL abstract Phoenix entity? This one?

https://i.postimg.cc/VJQzczcd/2363684-phoenixdone.jpg




So, a base Superman can STOMP the abstract phoenix entity?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
wait you think Superman can stomp the ACTUAL abstract Phoenix entity? This one?

https://i.postimg.cc/VJQzczcd/2363684-phoenixdone.jpg





Do I think the sky is up? Do I think the sun rises in the east?


Do I think Superman is an abstract and higher cosmic killing machine? The facts say he is, as surely as they say you're a troll.

That's kmc for ya. Base Superman can stomp abstract beings like Phoenix, not even abhi would argue that
and reported for trolling

Originally posted by cdtm
Do I think the sky is up? Do I think the sun rises in the east?


Do I think Superman is an abstract and higher cosmic killing machine? The facts say he is, as surely as they say you're a troll.

Post scans showing us.

THE Phoenix force enabled Cyclops to GO toe to toe and HELD his own against GOD DOOM but i'm the "Troll" for thinking Superman stomping the force is asinine

That shit is HILARIOUS

https://imgur.com/gallery/8e5Gz

Originally posted by carver9
Post scans showing us.

I have. Others have. Many times.

Pay attention to scans.


Or get your head checked for Alzheimer's.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
THE Phoenix force enabled Cyclops to GO toe to toe and HELD his own against GOD DOOM but i'm the "Troll" for thinking Superman stomping the force is asinine

That shit is HILARIOUS

https://imgur.com/gallery/8e5Gz


I think you're misremembering that scene. Because it was in no way a toe to toe fight.


God Doom tanked Scott as if he was Yamcha attackng Freeza. And tore his head off as easily.

Originally posted by cdtm
I think you're misremembering that scene. Because it was in no way a toe to toe fight.


God Doom tanked Scott as if he was Yamcha attackng Freeza. And tore his head off as easily.



https://i.postimg.cc/RJfJM9XG/Screenshot-21.png


^He GAVE God Doom PAUSE before he was killed

Originally posted by cdtm
I have. Others have. Many times.

Pay attention to scans.


Or get your head checked for Alzheimer's.

Looked through this thread, dont see abstract busting. Show us.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil


https://i.postimg.cc/RJfJM9XG/Screenshot-21.png


^He GAVE God Doom PAUSE before he was killed


Yeah, no. Doom walks right up to him mid evil villian speech, with all the fear of squashing a bug.

That doesn't away from the fact Phoenix force cyclops momentarily gave Doom pause

Never happened.

It very much happened, thats not disputable.

Originally posted by cdtm
Never happened. you gotta have patience with these two.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
wait you think Superman can stomp the ACTUAL abstract Phoenix entity? This one?

https://i.postimg.cc/VJQzczcd/2363684-phoenixdone.jpg




Hilarious isn't it?

I mean if you READ the comic you'd see that he BURNT more than just his clothes, IT'S pretty OBVIOUS that this is relative damage:

https://i.postimg.cc/Y4BHVWPv/image.jpg

LITERALLY:

https://i.postimg.cc/tnxkLYwg/Screenshot-22.png

SO you lied about him not affecting Doom. expected

Originally posted by carver9
Looked through this thread, dont see abstract busting. Show us.


Superman

busting

an abstract.


Keep in mind this is indisputable per mod ruling.

Hahaha while AMPED, he's never in his life done anything like that without needing a sun dip.

Originally posted by cdtm
Superman

busting

an abstract.


Keep in mind this is indisputable per mod ruling.

He created abstracts and his pet destroys universes and universe abstracts. So this guy is above abstract.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Hahaha while AMPED, he's never in his life done anything like that without needing a sun dip.


You mean like the suns Phoenix eats?


The seemingly white hot sun like energy Scott threw at Doom?

Haha I mean Superman's solar power based, Phoenix would have zero issue depleting his energy based off that

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Haha I mean Superman's solar power based, Phoenix would have zero issue depleting his energy based off that


Keep dreaming.

Superman beats Phoenix as easily as he put down World Forger, who creates MULTIVERSES. And if he was amped off a few little suns, what do you expect will happen when he's exposed to a being literally made of suns?


She attacks him, and she's fueling her own defeat.

LMAO NOPE because it's not made of suns it's the same cosmic energy as Galactus. It's formed from the same big bang energy.

Originally posted by cdtm
Keep dreaming.

Superman beats Phoenix as easily as he put down World Forger, who creates MULTIVERSES. And if he was amped off a few little suns, what do you expect will happen when he's exposed to a being literally made of suns?


She attacks him, and she's fueling her own defeat. like Apollo shooting Superman with sunlight. LOL

Originally posted by cdtm
Superman

busting

an abstract.


Keep in mind this is indisputable per mod ruling.

Honest question. What is wrong with you? Do you not understand Superman was amped there? I don't care how much of an amp you think he received, he's amped. What other showings do you have?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
LMAO NOPE because it's not made of suns it's the same cosmic energy as Galactus. It's formed from the same big bang energy.

Don't post that WF feat again

Originally posted by cdtm
Keep dreaming.

Superman beats Phoenix as easily as he put down World Forger, who creates MULTIVERSES. And if he was amped off a few little suns, what do you expect will happen when he's exposed to a being literally made of suns?


She attacks him, and she's fueling her own defeat.

There is no sucker punch involved here. Phoenix is cosmic energy.

"Phoenix is made out of suns" -cdtm 2020

THE Phoenix CAN manipulate energy across the spectrum. This doesn't mean it's all it represents or is.

THAT'S literally comic knowledge 101

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Haha I mean Superman's solar power based, Phoenix would have zero issue depleting his energy based off that

Show scans of Phoenix Hosts draining People of their power source. This will not only show ability but propensity (you need both to be a viable tactic).

After you are done there then provide how would the host manage to do anything if it's always a statue?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
That's kmc for ya. Base Superman can stomp abstract beings like Phoenix, not even abhi would argue that
and reported for trolling This Phoenix with a host. Certain hosts were shown being damaged, killed, or even defeated. Also the Phoenix abstract was once being hunted by random aliens with a spaceship before. They were killing it.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Don't post that WF feat again why are you yelling at yourself?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
There is no sucker punch involved here. Phoenix is cosmic energy. that was no sucker punch, WF saw him coming and still couldn’t do anything.

That was a sucker punch.

Lol... its a sucker punch.

Originally posted by carver9
That was a sucker punch.

When you move at attosecond speeds, every punch is a sucker punch.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
THE Phoenix CAN manipulate energy across the spectrum. This doesn't mean it's all it represents or is.

THAT'S literally comic knowledge 101

WF can manipulate cosmic energies too. Since he creates multiverses with a swing.

Originally posted by h1a8
This Phoenix with a host. Certain hosts were shown being damaged, killed, or even defeated. Also the Phoenix abstract was once being hunted by random aliens with a spaceship before. They were killing it.

Phoenix Logan overpowered and reversed the effects of the Infinity Gems

Originally posted by cdtm
WF can manipulate cosmic energies too. Since he creates multiverses with a swing.

Irrelevant. Phoenix is not "made up of the suns" which you straight up lied about

Originally posted by cdtm
When you move at attosecond speeds, every punch is a sucker punch.

Stop trolling cdtm.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Irrelevant. Phoenix is not "made up of the suns" which you straight up lied about


Phoenix eats suns. Ergo, Superman can get a boost directly from Phoenix.


Unless you can prove she converts energy in such a way that it's completely indistinguishable from the solar energy she absorbed.

Originally posted by carver9
Stop trolling cdtm.


Read a comic, Carver.

Superman mind rapes, JBL has a heart attack

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Well, a weakened WF survived having a planet being hurled at him by Perpetua from like 40 universes away.

That's impressive on its own, without taking into consideration the tremendous speeds that planet must have reached to travel that distance in such a short amount of time, and how durable said planet must have been to withstand the trip without getting atomized.

WF wasn't depowered when Superman punched him.

The planet hurling... is that an Abstract showing? Also, I dont think fhe writer put mathematics to that showing like you all tend to do. It was just a planet. Nothing more, nothing less.

WF was depowered, and weakened to the point he could barely lift his arms. And it was a planet. Traveling a lot of universeS in an instant.

And it didn't burst after the first 10, so apparently it was pretty durable if you ask me. Lmao

All in all pretty weak counter tbh, Carv.

Originally posted by cdtm
Well, he's brother to Anti-Monitor, so we can scale from there.


The fact all three brothers formed a gestalt being implies some level of parity, otherwise there would be no point to the union.

Possibly:

https://imgur.com/a/LRADLSc
https://imgur.com/a/Z8bVMfo

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
WF was depowered, and weakened to the point he could barely lift his arms. And it was a planet. Traveling a lot of universeS in an instant.

And it didn't burst after the first 10, so apparently it was pretty durable if you ask me. Lmao

All in all pretty weak counter tbh, Carv.

Doesn't he "bat" the planet with his mighty hammer, destroying it? Thus, eliminating a direct hit?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Doesn't he "bat" the planet with his mighty hammer, destroying it? Thus, eliminating a direct hit? Just because he didn't just stand there letting it hit him freely doesn't make it not a direct hit.

And yeah, his 'mighty hammer'. That he was too weakened to swing hard enough to even create a portal. Lol

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Just because he didn't just stand there letting it hit him freely doesn't make it not a direct hit.

Lol at this quite oxymoronic statement.



Not enough force to create a portal doesn't mean not enough force to shatter a planet.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Possibly:

https://imgur.com/a/LRADLSc
https://imgur.com/a/Z8bVMfo

So you want to lowball then?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Lol at this quite oxymoronic statement.



Not enough force to create a portal doesn't mean not enough force to shatter a planet. Use words properly, please.

And what about having barely enough power to lift his arms? Lol, sharp remark friendo.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Use words properly, please.

And what about having barely enough power to lift his arms? Lol, sharp remark friendo.

What about him having enough strength to kill Morbius?

Scans of him doing that?

Are you telling me he didn't actually do it? :O

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Are you telling me he didn't actually do it? :O

https://imgur.com/a/qHabG1j

Do you have scans of him struggling to lift his arms?

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
WF was depowered, and weakened to the point he could barely lift his arms. And it was a planet. Traveling a lot of universeS in an instant.

And it didn't burst after the first 10, so apparently it was pretty durable if you ask me. Lmao

All in all pretty weak counter tbh, Carv.

You're making this showing what its not.

Barely able to lift my arms sounds like hyperbole.

I might be misremembering, but He did lift is arms when he ported everyone out right?

Originally posted by carver9
You're making this showing what its not. You have to keep with the streak right.

If he hits the planet with his hammer....

Doesn't that force transfer to his arms? I mean, if a car is racing towards me and I bat it away with a steel bar....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If he hits the planet with his hammer....

Doesn't that force transfer to his arms? I mean, if a car is racing towards me and I bat it away with a steel bar....

I, for one, don't feel a thing when I bat away speeding cars.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Possibly:

https://imgur.com/a/LRADLSc
https://imgur.com/a/Z8bVMfo

You know that was pre-crisis Supergirl hitting him, right?


And that she died.

Originally posted by cdtm
Phoenix eats suns. Ergo, Superman can get a boost directly from Phoenix.


Unless you can prove she converts energy in such a way that it's completely indistinguishable from the solar energy she absorbed.

Cyclops is all concussive force energy yet it was able to feed on him too. Phoenix is cosmic energy my guy, it's said throughout years of marvel comics. If it wanted to it could project solar energy as well as many others but it's not something Superman would be able to direct absorb.

https://i.postimg.cc/PPzk43Xp/cya.jpg