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Summary

7,407 black murder victims in 2018

Black homicide offenders make up 54.9% of all homicides when the race is known.



Background

Homicide Crime Statistics are collected by the FBI



Methods

FBI crime statistics collection methodology found here:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/murder



Findings

Out of 14,123 intentional homicides, black people make up 7,407 of those victims. This constitutes 52.4% of all homicide victims.

When the race is known, out of 11,514 offenders, 6,318 are black. This constitutes 54.9% of all offenders when race is known.


Interpretation

Black people constitute over half of the murder offenders and victims.Black people are being killed in absurd numbers each year.




Conclusion

Black Lives Matter and we need to do better for the black community.

What are you doing to stop black homicides?

Is there a local chapter for stopping violence in your city or town? If not, I recommend starting one.

Are there local charities and volunteer organizations you can participate in to help uplift your local community? If so, I recommend joining those.

Are you aware of the Anti-Corruption Act? Many of the disenfranchised voters are victims of corruption and this affects everyone unless you are in the top 10% of income earners (Fact: based on 30+ of data collected in a large Princeton study: if you are in the bottom 90% of income earners, your opinion on laws has little to near zero affect on which laws get passed, removed, or updated). I recommend you work on getting anti-corruption measures passed at the local and state level. These anti-corruption activities will directly benefit the black and Latino communities as well as any other local groups who may be struggling.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/expanded-homicide

Why lie? These are murders committed by white supremacists in blackface.

You racist closet fascist nazi death eater.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Summary

7,407 black murder victims in 2018

Black homicide offenders make up 54.9% of all homicides when the race is known.



Background

Homicide Crime Statistics are collected by the FBI



Methods

FBI crime statistics collection methodology found here:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/murder



Findings

Out of 14,123 intentional homicides, black people make up 7,407 of those victims. This constitutes 52.4% of all homicide victims.

When the race is known, out of 11,514 offenders, 6,318 are black. This constitutes 54.9% of all offenders when race is known.


Interpretation

Black people constitute over half of the murder offenders and victims.Black people are being killed in absurd numbers each year.




Conclusion

Black Lives Matter and we need to do better for the black community.

What are you doing to stop black homicides?

Is there a local chapter for stopping violence in your city or town? If not, I recommend starting one.

Are there local charities and volunteer organizations you can participate in to help uplift your local community? If so, I recommend joining those.

Are you aware of the Anti-Corruption Act? Many of the disenfranchised voters are victims of corruption and this affects everyone unless you are in the top 10% of income earners (Fact: based on 30+ of data collected in a large Princeton study: if you are in the bottom 90% of income earners, your opinion on laws has little to near zero affect on which laws get passed, removed, or updated). I recommend you work on getting anti-corruption measures passed at the local and state level. These anti-corruption activities will directly benefit the black and Latino communities as well as any other local groups who may be struggling.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/expanded-homicide yeah black on black violence stems from poverty and lack of life chances. I mean, it was only a decade before I was born segregation was common in southern states. A lot was done to improve this, but the last 3 years have rolled it back 20 at least.

how come whites in poverty don't commit violence at the same rate? or mexicans in poverty?

Because there's no such thing as poor white or Mexican people, Surt... duh. LOL.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Because there's no such thing as poor white or Mexican people, Surt... duh. LOL. dur

both whites and mexicans outnumber the black population too and yet they still manage to get their crime on at a much higher rate

im certainly not saying this is inherent in race because I don't think any race is inherently more violent

we need to acknowledge the role the culture plays here.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
yeah black on black violence stems from poverty and lack of life chances. I mean, it was only a decade before I was born segregation was common in southern states. A lot was done to improve this, but the last 3 years have rolled it back 20 at least.

And Hispanic committing homicides?

Originally posted by Surtur
how come whites in poverty don't commit violence at the same rate? or mexicans in poverty? They do, the percentages proportionally would be interesting of both blacks in poverty and number committing crimes, of course when you factor in relative sentencing etc and life chances, you really start to get somewhere. But take single factors in isolation... that's not how life works.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
yeah black on black violence stems from poverty and lack of life chances. I mean, it was only a decade before I was born segregation was common in southern states. A lot was done to improve this, but the last 3 years have rolled it back 20 at least. It's a big issue, and hard to solve. These areas need to be properly developed. But a lot of them are crime-ridden, and would need serious policing if development were to happen. But police don't want to go into those areas, because of how dangerous they are. The ones who do go in will find themselves vilified and scrutinised even just for doing their job. And if a black person got killed, regardless of if it were justified or not, there'd be riots.

What exactly can be done? I'm sure there's a way, but it's out of my knowledge range.

It's a tragedy, particularly the history of his black communities were systematically destroyed by the US ruling elites. There are solutions of course, things like UBI, infrastructure spending, criminal justice reform, would all be big stepping stones towards a better society.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
They do, the percentages proportionally would be interesting of both blacks in poverty and number committing crimes, of course when you factor in relative sentencing etc and life chances, you really start to get somewhere. But take single factors in isolation... that's not how life works.

But they do not commit violence at the same rate. I just showed you the stats in the other thread.

And look at the murder rate. You're making an awful lot of excuses here.

Originally posted by Artol
It's a tragedy, particularly the history of his black communities were systematically destroyed by the US ruling elites. There are solutions of course, things like UBI, infrastructure spending, criminal justice reform, would all be big stepping stones towards a better society.

I'm not gonna say that their circumstances and the oppression they experienced in the past have not impacted the communities.

But the culture is a factor too. Some people don't wanna talk about that because it changes the narrative from "you have to change" to "we have to change".

And yet there will be no real change if it's not acknowledged IMO.

Originally posted by Artol
It's a tragedy, particularly the history of his black communities were systematically destroyed by the US ruling elites. There are solutions of course, things like UBI, infrastructure spending, criminal justice reform, would all be big stepping stones towards a better society. In terms of criminal justice reform, freeing all non-violent drug-related offenders and legalising marijuana could go a fair ways in the long-term. A lot of black people get jailed just for possession, which is a travesty; it often ruins their future job prospects, and introduces them to a world of crime within the prison system that is all-too-easy to fall into.

Originally posted by Scribble
In terms of criminal justice reform, freeing all non-violent drug-related offenders and legalising marijuana could go a fair ways in the long-term. A lot of black people get jailed just for possession, which is a travesty; it often ruins their future job prospects, and introduces them to a world of crime within the prison system that is all-too-easy to fall into.

It all adds up. High violent crime rates lead to an increased police presence in the area. Increased police presence means increased chances people can get nabbed for even the small crimes.

Yes I say free all non-violent drug offenders. Hell if it were up to me I'd make most drugs legal. Weed, coke, lsd, heroin. I might stop at stuff like bath salts.

Originally posted by Scribble
In terms of criminal justice reform, freeing all non-violent drug-related offenders and legalising marijuana could go a fair ways in the long-term. A lot of black people get jailed just for possession, which is a travesty; it often ruins their future job prospects, and introduces them to a world of crime within the prison system that is all-too-easy to fall into. Originally posted by Surtur
It all adds up. High violent crime rates lead to an increased police presence in the area. Increased police presence means increased chances people can get nabbed for even the small crimes.

Yes I say free all non-violent drug offenders. Hell if it were up to me I'd make most drugs legal. Weed, coke, lsd, heroin. I might stop at stuff like bath salts.



Yeah, the war on drugs has been a travesty, and it mostly hits black communities (even if usage is often higher in white ones).

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm not gonna say that their circumstances and the oppression they experienced in the past have not impacted the communities.

But the culture is a factor too. Some people don't wanna talk about that because it changes the narrative from "you have to change" to "we have to change".

And yet there will be no real change if it's not acknowledged IMO.

I'd say what you call culture is also a product of systemic forces however. I think the first and foremost goal must be to dismantle the structures, if after that the problems equally persist it may make sense to look more at what you may call cultural issues.

Originally posted by Artol
I'd say what you call culture is also a product of systemic forces however. I think the first and foremost goal must be to dismantle the structures, if after that the problems equally persist it may make sense to look more at what you may call cultural issues. A fair point. Culture is often defined by circumstance.

@Artol and Scribble exclusion is the key factor, exclusion from opportunity. It speeds up the poverty cycle and for some groups keeps them locked in it.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
@Artol and Scribble exclusion is the key factor, exclusion from opportunity. It speeds up the poverty cycle and for some groups keeps them locked in it.

Agreed, exclusion is an incredibly valuable lens to use to look at this situation.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
yeah black on black violence stems from poverty and lack of life chances. I mean, it was only a decade before I was born segregation was common in southern states. A lot was done to improve this, but the last 3 years have rolled it back 20 at least.


Successful blacks promoting a "gangster" lifestyle has no influence?





To be fair though, this extends to white culture as well. Who are our role models? Charlie Sheen?



Worship assholes, yet its surprising we keep producing assholes?

Originally posted by cdtm
Successful blacks promoting a "gangster" lifestyle has no influence?





To be fair though, this extends to white culture as well. Who are our role models? Charlie Sheen?



Worship assholes, yet its surprising we keep producing assholes?

I'd go a step further, who elevates the assholes. People like Charlie Sheen or 50 Cent didn't become popular in a vacuum, they were sold and marketed to people. It's an interaction that goes somewhat both ways, but to lay most of the blame on individual consume choices ignores a huge part of the issue, I think.

A lot of this comes back to my general belief, call it a conspiracy theory if you like, that the media and entertainment industries are largely to blame for much of our social miasma.

They saw the power of cultural happenings that empower the lower classes such as punk and its DIY culture, and came back full-force in the '90s to keep us dumb, and complacent yet impotently angry.

Seems sound reasoning to me.


I'd take it a step further down the rabbit hole, and speculate the media represent two fronts of a power play, with us caught in the middle. The Conservatives truthfully have dominated, as evidenced by our "left" compared to the left in other parts of the world. In other words, our left is really neo-liberal centrists.



The Neo-libs and American Right are locked in a struggle for dominance, and I think are becoming increasingly unhinged as the blood feud progresses.

Originally posted by cdtm
Seems sound reasoning to me.


I'd take it a step further down the rabbit hole, and speculate the media represent two fronts of a power play, with us caught in the middle. The Conservatives truthfully have dominated, as evidenced by our "left" compared to the left in other parts of the world. In other words, our left is really neo-liberal centrists.



The Neo-libs and American Right are locked in a struggle for dominance, and I think are becoming increasingly unhinged as the blood feud progresses.

Very true.

Nah, the truth is the rich own the levers of power, I generally don't think it's an organised global conspiracy, more a loose affiliation of the ruling class aimed at taking back what it lost after WW2.

Originally posted by Surtur
how come whites in poverty don't commit violence at the same rate? or mexicans in poverty?

I have another question: why don't African immigrants commit as much crime, have better educations, and better income than white people?

Indirect answer: has little to do with race. If it did, then black immigrants wouldn't be power houses of success.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Because there's no such thing as poor white or Mexican people, Surt... duh. LOL.

About this:

Latinos, by education and income, commit far less crimes, including violent crime, than blacks. And blacks income is higher than Latinos. Sure, Latino crime is higher than white crime, per capita, but as Whirly pointed out, this is more of a function of poverty and education than it is race/ethnicity.


Educate your Latinos, you improve their Socio-Economic Status, you reduce crime, and the entire f*cking nation benefits. It's literally not hard math to do.






One of the ways to do so is have an affordable Universal Healthcare option, anti-corruption laws, and be VERY strong on illegal employment practices.

Caught up no the rest of the thread.


Great input from Scribble, Surtur, and Artol.


CDTM is right: glorifying crime is a cultural problem that also needs to be addressed.



Also, I forgot to mention, treating drug problems like the medical problems they are will also help with minorities getting stuck in the cycles of crime and violence.

Originally posted by dadudemon


What are you doing to stop black homicides?


Not killing black people.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Caught up no the rest of the thread.


Great input from Eon, Surtur, and Artol.


CDTM is right: glorifying crime is a cultural problem that also needs to be addressed.



Also, I forgot to mention, treating drug problems like the medical problems they are will also help with minorities getting stuck in the cycles of crime and violence. I have to ask, did you mistake me for Eon? awehuhs or did you mean someone else

Originally posted by Scribble
I have to ask, did you mistake me for Eon? awehuhs

Yes.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes.


No worries haermm I'm nowhere near as cute as Eon, though

Originally posted by Scribble
No worries haermm I'm nowhere near as cute as Eon, though

In my defense (though it's not that good), I was reading through the thread, quickly, while also in a conference call at work. Sometimes, I'd have to pay attention to the dang call.I just remember a good post from the first page, between two Surtur posts, and thought it was Eon. weep

Originally posted by dadudemon
In my defense (though it's not that good), I was reading through the thread, quickly, while also in a conference call at work. Sometimes, I'd have to pay attention to the dang call.I just remember a good post from the first page, between two Surtur posts, and thought it was Eon. weep Hey, you're a busy man, I ain't holding it against ya, if anything I take it as a compliment hat

Originally posted by dadudemon
I have another question: why don't African immigrants commit as much crime, have better educations, and better income than white people?

Indirect answer: has little to do with race. If it did, then black immigrants wouldn't be power houses of success. Because they tend to be wealthier, trust me on that.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Because they tend to be wealthier, trust me on that.

I don't understand.


This immigrants, who come to the US to make a better life for themselves, often only having enough money to make the trip, are wealthier than who?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't understand.


This immigrants, who come to the US to make a better life for themselves, often only having enough money to make the trip, are wealthier than who? Subsaharan Africans with US passports generally aren't coming to make a better life financially. They are usually dual nationals, trust me the only members of Nigerian and Ghanaian families I know in America are from wealthy families in there own countries. It's the only way to get in. They also tend to have Masters degrees.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Summary

7,407 black murder victims in 2018

Black homicide offenders make up 54.9% of all homicides when the race is known.



Background

Homicide Crime Statistics are collected by the FBI



Methods

FBI crime statistics collection methodology found here:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/murder



Findings

Out of 14,123 intentional homicides, black people make up 7,407 of those victims. This constitutes 52.4% of all homicide victims.

When the race is known, out of 11,514 offenders, 6,318 are black. This constitutes 54.9% of all offenders when race is known.


Interpretation

Black people constitute over half of the murder offenders and victims.Black people are being killed in absurd numbers each year.




Conclusion

Black Lives Matter and we need to do better for the black community.

What are you doing to stop black homicides?

Is there a local chapter for stopping violence in your city or town? If not, I recommend starting one.

Are there local charities and volunteer organizations you can participate in to help uplift your local community? If so, I recommend joining those.

Are you aware of the Anti-Corruption Act? Many of the disenfranchised voters are victims of corruption and this affects everyone unless you are in the top 10% of income earners (Fact: based on 30+ of data collected in a large Princeton study: if you are in the bottom 90% of income earners, your opinion on laws has little to near zero affect on which laws get passed, removed, or updated). I recommend you work on getting anti-corruption measures passed at the local and state level. These anti-corruption activities will directly benefit the black and Latino communities as well as any other local groups who may be struggling.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/expanded-homicide

Facts.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Subsaharan Africans with US passports generally aren't coming to make a better life financially. They are usually dual nationals, trust me the only members of Nigerian and Ghanaian families I know in America are from wealthy families in there own countries. It's the only way to get in. They also tend to have Masters degrees.

From my experience, every single one of the African immigrants were from abject poverty and not a single one came from privileged backgrounds.

And that should make sense - why would a wealthy African from a poor African country come to the US to work and get an education (disregarding the extremely rarity of this cherry picked scenario)?