!!!Herald Tourney!!! Philosophia vs. MrMind

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Philosophia: O.M.A.C. and Dr. PolarisMrMind: Supreme (original) and Drax The Destroyer

Three posts (1 opener, 1 rebuttal, and 1 final.)Fight takes place on an indestructible Earth.Prep-time is limited solely to creating shields.Starting distance is 0.5km.No BFR.Judges tbd.


Phil's OP:

Hello everybody!

Dear judges, I can't fault you for simplifying this to Magneto/Hulk vs Superman/Drax

It's only natural when you read lesser known characters to associate it with more known ones.

Polaris..the Magneto rip-off?
OMAC..the robotic Hulk?
Supreme...the Superman rip-off #434?

But...this match isn't what it seems. As MMA fans will tell you, styles make fights!

But let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Ready, set..


We can make shields before the match starts.
Polaris proceeds to make multiple magnetic ones around us. Some examples :
His magnetic shield easily holds Power Girl immobilized for hours, until she is rescued by his split-good-personality took control . She hurts herself punching his shield.

Casually restrains both her and Starman afterwards:

His magnetic shields are something neither Hal nor multiple lanterns can break through:

His magnetic shields hold off against Maxima and Power Girl simultaneously:


And, since I don't want to make life easy, I want him to use his tracking abilities to waste some time, so when I make the shields they're also invisible as I deflect all light:


Match starts. BOOM! I Instantly teleport to the South Pole, courtesy of O.M.A.C.'s AI:

Why? Because I wanna play God. An example of what happened the last time he went there, absorbed its power and went up against the Justice League:


"He can shift the Earth's axis with each step he takes the Earth's axis follows".

And now, with all the power at my disposal I begin to create other shields. Those shields above? They're obviously enough, but I want to go overboard.

I will call these shields "Good luck!":

They're self explanatory. I can make them again and again, concentrically, and play checkers with OMAC while they struggle to pass through.

And now, the best part..

Styles make fights

I said that this isn't what it seems.

Well, that's because....my team is tailor made for them.

I know, I know, you hear that a lot. But...and I want to make this sentence crystal clear:

Supreme faced a Magneto rip-off in his own comic book, and got depowered for the rest of his own series

And by Magneto rip-off, I mean everything -- up to the point where he tries to protect his species, the "U-genes".

I know, this sounds like a joke. Supreme literally had to switch minds with an alternate version of himself in order to regain his powers....at the end of his series (40 issues) and he got depowered at issue #11. He spend the rest of his time doing super-heroics using Thor's hammer, or was replaced by alternate characters posing as him . That's how bad it was.

https://i.ibb.co/vjT0T1Z/rc-Cqqyqe-KNOq-BHu-QZLnl-Dt76c-OIEGb2s5-LJBu-Rt-IDdb-Dd-Ql-MDs6-Qi-sd-Mq-Ye-KYVx7-W5i-Obb-Cf-Di-X7-A.jpg https://i.ibb.co/WzdSZwC/6-CLw-r5-Hs7h-Ru-d-xz-Mkg-TQx-Wp-BWGvw-Fg1-NC-xuj-Zux-Yq-SOx-CP2-Tfojs-Uqz-Cj-Y4-Eyz-Jo0-AXefu-Ck-Cw.jpg https://i.ibb.co/pdxhNZJ/zp9-OU76kkiq-K8-Ij-Kbj-Fwyq3s-K1c-Giu9up-Vv-LITFu-Ghq-tq-ZJDCZj-Ei7el-Q-2-M0j-Ogg-H9-H-lds-TM-LQ-s16.jpg

Polaris? He has a career of doing this. Drains the Rey:


Polaris has control over the entire EM Spectrum:

"With a wave of his hand"

I can also make everything drain him:

And here's the absolute insanity! Polaris has drained a Controller Guardians of the Universe equals] of his power, from around the globe, and kept him as his pet in a shield to feed him power, just as Polaris woke from a coma.



So...yeah. More attacks will be extrapolated later on.

Now, let's move on to Drax.

He is instantly blind. Superman, with probably the best eye vision in comics was:

Both him and Supreme

Dear judges, close your eyes and imagine fighting an opponent whose eyes are not closed, when the battlefield is the entire Earth.

OMAC, who has enough strength to overpower make Superman think he may be stronger than him...

...beats the utter shit out of blind Drax.

He also blasts him with eye-beams that have one-shotted Power Girl:

He then starts getting creative and, again, using teleportation...

Starts dismembering Drax limb by limb, as he did to Frankenstein:

Nightcrawler on steroids!

Of course, both Polaris and OMAC will do much more, but it will be elaborated in my subsequent posts.

Good luck!


Hmm. How should I say this.

Judges, Mr Mind doesn't...


...he...doesn't know my team or his team.

This is a legit clusterfuk of wrong characters/history.

My team

He uses scans that is not....the Dr. Polaris I am using laughing out loud

The 'blue bettle'? The "dudes jacked up on drugs"? "His daughter" etc. That's John, a completely different guy.facepalm

I'm Neal. He has split personality -- a Jekyll and Hyde type. His power fluctates based on how much either one in control and almost all of his losses are attributed to people utilizing the struggle between them.


Example: The scan where Kyle "beats" him? The personalities were fighting each other, the blast brought out Neal:


Later in fact, since Kyle and Ray cannot overpower him, they use this:


The fact that he loses due to CIS is not a factor in this fight. I'm not fighting my 3rd personality AND Superman while Jimmy comes behind me with a baseball bat.

I'm in control of how Polaris uses his powers.

His team

Holy shit.

You notice that Supreme's feats are mostly unimpressive -- a meteor! a ship! god moves through me and he's faster than light!. Statements and small-level stuff. Its so desperate, that he resorts to shit like this:

So he tries using Suprema.
The problem? Not reading the comics.
The Supreme that fought Suprema, is not only not his Supreme, but it's also not the same Suprema.
Why? This is a long explanation -- but for time's sake, every time there's a revision of the Universe, the old versions of Supreme are saved in Limbo and a NEW version of Supreme takes its place. This was elaborated in Alan Moore's run:

And IN THE SAME ARC as all of the feats he uses for Supreme , it's clear that the Universe has been REVISED:

In essence -- Supreme, Suprema, all the other Supremes are NEW version as soon as the Universe was revised (/rebooted/reset).

In the same arc, OmniMan stalemated this NEW Supreme, and even arguably won by waking up before him:

To top it all off, he uses a non-canon Gladiator crossover. Ffs.


He doesn't distinguish between normal Drax and the one with the Power Gem no expression


When he punched Surfer away -- he had the Power Gem.
Also, Surfer blew up the moon due to the energy he had after absorbing the sun...not due to Drax redirecting him.
Also, he failed to mention that Hulk also redirects him by...throwing a rock, lol:
This is just ONE post with 3 mis-interpretations/omissions. I don't have the physical space for all of them.

I'd also like to add that this Mr. Mind, without any self-awareness, literally posts this in this same thread:


What's that, having your cake and eating it, too? Well, bon apetit.

Dr. Polaris' physical stats are all enhanced by magnetism :

How enhanced? He INSTANTLY created a magnetism black hole to drain the Ray moving at lightspeed:

Catches Wally in a magnetic shield as he's speeding:

Restrains Johnny Fox speeding:


But, let's see how fast Drax is.

Captain Mar-Vell https://imgur.com/a/iX6US#0] not only reacts to Dumb Drax trying to bullrush him , but Drax gets thoroughly outsped and flash KOd physically:

Gamora dances around him for an extended period of time:

Drax is barely able to keep up with ships moving on a planet:


He's also distracting you with fireworks of Drax against planetoids and small suns' core -- but the same Drax admitted that Classic She-Hulk is stronger than him:

Meanwhile, OMAC overpowers Superman

No-sells then overpowers Power Girl casually:

So many bad arguments. "Superman damaged OMAC with HV, well guess what Supreme has HV"!

Superman shit all over Supreme's best feats -- HV included, by orders of magnitude. None of what he does is equivalent.

Third of all, and the one that legit made me laugh out loud, him calling the Magneto rip off a "magneto on steroids" must genuinely be an attempt at trolling.

First of all, wrong facts :

Incorrect. He fought Supreme literally at the beginning of the arc, and he got even more powerful later on.
Supreme was the Martian Manhunter of the arc.

The Magneto rip-off at his absolute peak (far after the fight with Supreme), with power that was consuming him, did a bit of damage to Earth's EM field and beat on a bunch of mid-metas that are 3rd rate x-men rip-offs. This is like bragging you're the most powerful among 3 year olds. Magneto would solo simultaneously not only him, but also everybody who he has ever fought while playing chess with X. He's not only a Magneto rip-off, but a climate change rip-off, too.
A chick who controls water one-shotted him at the peak of his power:
Meanwhile, Polaris: "He can shift the Earth's axis with each step he takes the Earth's axis follows" and solos the JLA:

Other what the fuks:

If the shields stop light...you can't see what's inside the shields. lol

Drax literally wouldn't see what to hit. And by the time Supreme potentially could, I'll be long gone. Even if I decide to stay, to give him the finger, my shield have withstood characters far superior to Drax and Superior.

My shields have held off the Justice League. Multiple Green Lanterns, including Hal who was rendedered useless. Maxima and Power Girl simultaneously. Power Girl for hours.

I could stay there while Drax flies around uselessly and Supreme punches it to no avail.

But, I don't -- I instantly teleport to the South Pole.

Shields having weaknesses? That's no longer the case. Polaris has gotten multiple upgrades of power since then and they're as formidable as any shield in comics - see Superman , Green Lantern and Flash struggle with just one:
Ray and Green Lantern weren't able to next time they met:
Bonus: Firestorm

Yet another what the fuk:

"Does the master of electromagnetic spectrum use electromagnetic spectrum radiation? I think not"

If nothing else, I'm having a laugh reading all of this.


Meanwhile, let's use tactics and show more ways I win:
Drax needs to breathe.

BONUS: Dr. Polaris' power is infinite as he draws it from Earth's core.

With a stare I could put him unconscious:

I cut his blood flow and put him to sleep -- just in case the Martian Manhunter scan was not enough:

thumb down consciousness.

Classic, brain shutdown. Polaris can electromagnetically manipulate the brain:
Drax is vulnerable to have his synapses trashed :
Supreme is susceptible to having his synapses and his brain's electrical trashed:

thumb down brain.



Phil's Final Post:

Starting tactics

This was quite a bit weird.
As he himself will proudly say, he has none.
To be honest, he could have spared himself some time by simply sending the respect threads and saying "I strong. I punch you."

To recap:

Zero anticipation.

Judges, please take a look at his initial post.

He doesn't seem to understand that prep is not used to scan the area and look for me, or have whispering session with Drax. Prep is used ONLY for shields.
He starts the match with having no idea where I am. He didn't even think that I'd be invisible so Drax is essentially useless and he never used Supreme's senses to try and detect me. He used microvision to look at the micro-scale, when he should have scanned the macro-scale since doesn't even know where to direct it towards. Even if he does detect me , Drax would still be useless since he wouldn't even know what to hit. So that leaves Supreme...and his plan is to punch my shields, hope for the best, only for me to teleport away and get even more powerful.

You know what's absolutely hilarious? Supreme trying to bullrush somebody almost always ended in him KOing himself .



This sounds like I'm taking the piss, but it's literally it. To quote Mr "Art of War" Mind:


My plan:
Before the fight:
I make multiple shields around me. Only one of my opponents has tracking capabilities , so my shields are up stopping all light from getting through https://ibb.co/5Tp31F0]
As the fight starts:
* I instantly teleport to the South Pole using OMAC's A.I. I'm now at the peak of my powers, constantly absorbing all that energy, and I start to make multiple Justice League-stopping shields https://ibb.co/MP3PcN5]
Btw, the Earth IS the battlefield, so I can't BFR myself when I'm still on the battlefield. lol
* By the time they get there , they're fuked. No way to get through and then...
* Supreme is depowered using the electromagnetic spectrum I have total control of. To reiterate: he got blasted with electromagnetic energy and drained completely of his powers 11 issues into his series for the remainder of his entire run by a Polaris/Mags rip-off.
As I've shown before, Dr. Polaris has magnetic black holes that instantly drain Ray. But, the most ridiculous part and one want to put an emphasis on, is the Controller he drained and took control over his power, and he did so from AROUND THE GLOBE the moment he detected him tapping into Earth's Magnetic Field as Polaris literally woke up from a coma https://ibb.co/874ZTYK]. Good thing Supreme is connected to Earth's EM field, too: https://ibb.co/HN8NspN
And this is not the first time he got shitfaced by electromagnetic energy, he almost died in a nuclear reactor:
Remember that I also make electromagnetic tornados that drain the Ray in moments: https://ibb.co/pP9Cdk9 , https://ibb.co/TkqqkDK]
- Drax and Supreme are blind courtesy of Polaris who blinded Superman . Drax is useless from the beginning to the end of this fight.
- OMAC also:
- teleports out with Drax's limbs/head
- hits them with energy projection that has one-shotted Power Girl
- beats the utter shit out of him since he's BLIND.
Drax is KOd unconscious from me flooding his insides/lungs with particles, as well as controlling his blood and cutting it off from his brain for the KOd.
Both Drax and Supreme get their brain wrecked by electromagnetic manipulation.
Hell, after he leaves Drax as a floating torso, OMAC could grab Supreme and do the same -- unfortunatelly, Polaris would have already depowered and turned him into a vegetable.

The characters
I ran out of space in my last post due to mis-interpretations but...
Holy shit, and I do mean holy shit -- the Supreme scan he used for the black hole feat is not HIS Supreme -- it's Alan Moore's Supreme, another version of Supreme. He is a separate character. It's from Supreme #46 for who wants to actually check. What the ... ? Galan was right there in the PMs, you could have went "Galan, can I use this? I saw it in your respect thread" and he'd tell you to stop using just his respect thread and read the comics themselves. Also Solar was weakened in the fight with Dr. Eclipse and roflstomped him at full strength. Your Supreme has like 50 issues of appearances, I shouldn't be the one who has to know your 2 characters better than you.

Judges, look back on HIS version of Supreme. What valid feats has he posted, once you remove all the fluff I had to get through . Strength? Going thorugh a planet - that's revisioned Supreme. He has no black hole escaping . He has no fight with Gladiator . So, he destroyed a meteor? He threw a ship? He flew fast through space? Green Lanterns do that, too. It's all easy in space once you have time and distance. How fast can he accelerate? Why do you think you see NO reaction time feats? No ACTUAL speed feats? It's because he has none that matter -- he resorts to Supreme speaking in hyperbole when he's up against a random space samurai "God runs through me and he's faster than light!". He resorts to "He may have fought the most powerful beings!". He is running on fumes. At least I actually posted lightspeed reaction time and attack from Polaris, lol.

At least, for all his faults...


...HAS feats. But, in terms of actual tangible strength, the SAME Drax who destroys planetoids and rips small suns core, is getting shitbagged by She-Hulk and he resorts to a sucker punch.

In terms of combat performances, Drax is capable of going up against Thor and Prof. Hulk .... with the power gem.

Normal Thor overpowers Drax like he's a lightweight:

Normal Thor KOs Drax with a single lightning strike that Iron Man even absorbed much of the power of:

B&T Thor one-shotted him while Drax had the PG, even with a surprise attack:



...does not need the Power Gem to:
- arguably overpower and have comparable strength to Superman .
- overpower Power Girl and treating her like she's not the one equal to WW/SG
But, here we go with cementing him treating her like nothing:
One shot the Olympian
Kills a Firestorm by ripping his head off and tanks his explosion which not even Guy Gardner's shield could:
Solos the JLI:

Speaking peaking of team-busters:


Besides the fact that he didn't even know the character I was using, he seems to forget that we're not here to compare records. Doctor Polaris, yes, eventually loses. Doctor Polaris, yes, sometimes forgets to use his power. Doctor Polaris yes, is.......an absolute lunatic whose character is LITERALLY weakened by CIS due to his warring spit personalities.

NONE of that matters, because I'M Polaris here. I control what he does. And I use his abilities as efficiently and as deadly as I want. I use his shields, I use his electromagnetism, I use EVERYTHING. Showing him fighting inefficiently doesn't change any of it -- I could have said the same for Drax, but that's not understanding a fundamental rule of tourneys - CIS is off. I make the strongest shields and more can't get through. He is here for ABILITIES not CHARACTER. I collapse lungs, I shut down brains, I DRAIN, I BLIND -- all of this I do because I have his feats, not his personalit(ies). And I win.

I should banter a bit and scale Polaris off of beating a Supes that fists blackholes/Kyle containing the Big Bang/etc..

Final thoughts

Judges, don't get lost in the fog of "I am strong! No, I am strong!". I entertained his "Drax is so strong and Supreme is so strong omg look at this scans I found in the RT" because I had nothing to fill my posts with since there was no strategy to go back and forth against. While OMAC IS stronger than Drax and he'd beat the shit out of, there's no need to do so when my strategy of teleporting his limbs/head, while the latter is blinded, suffocated and lobotomized. There's no need to test my shield for hours against Supreme, when I can teleport, amp, drain through multiple means , control the brain and more.

This is not a power contest.

That's what strategies are for smile

Pr's verdict:


Smurph's verdict:

Winner: Phil.

honestly my best performance was in this match but i came up short

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