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FP Jiren vs DBS Broly. Who wins?

Broly wins.

It legit would have taken SSB Gogeta's most powerful attack to put FPSS Broly down -- he soaked everything else that was dished out, and just continued growing more powerful the entire time.

...And Jiren is obviously nowhere near Gogeta's level.

How much more powerful MUI Goku is to Gogeta, IYO? Because Goku said Broly was probably stronger than Beerus while Jiren is stronger than Belmod who was himself stronger than Beerus.

SSB Gogeta is solidly above MUI Goku(ToP), imo.

Reason? Broly wasn't definitely stronger than Beerus while Jiren is.

I've elaborated on it a bunch of different times before, but no, I do not think Jiren is definitively above Beerus(especially if you factor in the manga.) I think Jiren > the Destroyer of HIS universe(ie. Belmond), but not all Destroyers are created equal... And Beerus is solidly at the top of the Destroyer totem pole.

My personal scaling as of the Broly film is:
SSB Gogeta > FPSS Broly ~/> Beerus > MUI Goku(ToP) > LB Jiren.

Tbh, I think that the characters(namely Moro and Goku) are just now starting to get into Beerus' realm of power.

Didn't Belmond win in armwrestling against Beerus? At least in Anime as Whis states that Belmond is stronger than Beerus.

An arm wrestling match isn't at all indicative of who would win in an all-out battle. We also don't know any of the particulars behind it(ie. when did it take place, was Beerus going all-out, etc.)

But more on point: there are several promotional sources(along with the lite novel) which cite Broly as the most powerful being that Goku and Vegeta had fought up to that point, which would put him above Jiren by default.

And tbh, Broly being > Jiren is also in-line with DB history. I mean, when has a primary antagonist/opponent ever decreased in power as the series has progressed? The baddies always get stronger with each arc.

Originally posted by Galan007
An arm wrestling match isn't at all indicative of who would win in an all-out battle. We also don't know any of the particulars behind it(ie. when did it take place, was Beerus going all-out, etc.)

But more on point: there are several promotional sources(along with the lite novel) which cite Broly as the most powerful being that Goku and Vegeta had fought up to that point, which would put him above Jiren by default.

And tbh, Broly being > Jiren is also in-line with DB history. I mean, when has a primary antagonist/opponent ever decreased in power as the series has progressed? The baddies always get stronger with each arc.
In other words its not definitive. Broly also fought with Golden Frieza for an hour while Jiren dismissed Frieza casually.

Does that mean Broly is more powerful than Beerus too?

Jiren>Broly. MUI Goku>Gogeta and Jiren did pretty good against MUI Goku. Jiren destroys here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
In other words its not definitive. Broly also fought with Golden Frieza for an hour while Jiren dismissed Frieza casually. That is just a remarkably high-end durability showing for Freeza. Post-ToP SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta get beat to shit by SS1 Broly within a few seconds, which forces them to literally flee the battlefield. Conversely, Freeza endures a beating from Broly for a full hour.

Moreover, the implication in the movie is that Freeza's power had grown considerably following the ToP(which makes sense, given his asinine potential.) That's why Vegeta still wanted to avidly train after the ToP -- he still considered Freeza to be a legitimate threat to both he and Goku, despite the gargantuan increases that each of them had also made during the ToP.

Aside from that, the lite novel states a few things: a.) that Broly was not actively trying to kill Freeza, and b.) that Broly had the most powerful ki Freeza had ever sensed... Which again, scales him above Jiren by default.

That was also baseline SS1 Broly. FPSS Broly(the green haired version you're using in this thread) was FAAAAR more powerful -- to the point where even Gogeta felt the need to powerup all the way from SS1 to SSB to combat him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Does that mean Broly is more powerful than Beerus too? As I said above: in terms of raw power, Broly is likely ~/> Beerus. That seemed to be the authorial intent when they had Goku say that he was "probably stronger" than Beerus.

Originally posted by carver9
Jiren>Broly. MUI Goku>Gogeta and Jiren did pretty good against MUI Goku. Jiren destroys here. No less than 4-5 pieces of promotional material + interviews from the director + the lite novel state that Broly was the most powerful character they had ever faced up to that point.

You may not like it, but Broly > Jiren. Personal head-canon doesn't change that.

The whole anime thing was stupid too. Whis acted like he knew exactly what universe and Destroyer the rumor came from and then he was surprised to see it came from Jiren's universe. "Rumor has it in the multiverse one being surpasses their Destroyer and that Destroyer is stronger than Beerus who beat him in an arm wrestling match... wonder what universe that being is from?"
Same thing that kept giving Goku stamina 3 times when he should have been laying on the floor for hours I guess. Not only that but inconsistent enough to assume he got more powerful with barely any stamina. Vegeta releases enough ki to transform him back to base in a move that previously killed him and he's at full power right after.

More importantly though, Abhi started off only using "SS" and now he's adding in the J. AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

But anyway, if combining the canons then Beerus only lost to Quitela in arm wrestling which would imply the rumored being came from that universe and Beerus and Quitela are the last ones standing in a free for all.

And as potent as UI was in the anime, a lot of Jiren's stuff comes from the KK multiplier, and Blue is kind of a huge jobber form in the anime. It really doesn't match up to the completed form in the manga, and at worst they're equals. Basic Blue was a ways above Hit in the Manga for example while the completed Blue Form was above or equal to Merged Zamasu. The movie seems to follow the Manga Blue which would make sense with no eye raping forms in the movie when Goku would go eye rape mode at the drop of the hat.

Even if not you have Base Gogeta seemingly being above Blue Vegeta and Goku and then Broly having an extended rape session with SSB Gogeta.

As for Frieza, if you follow the anime, Goku one shotted a fresh Frieza right before TOP which is better than Jiren, Toppo, or Broly did, but we know he was below all by a large amount. Unless SS Broly is below pre-TOP Goku then it stands to reason that Frieza got a substantial power-up.

Base gogeta is stronger than SSB Goku and Vegeta out together (that's how fusion works) and he can stack his own SSB on it. Even assuming he was only equal to SSB Goku/Vegeta. You'd have

Ssj gogeta= 50X SSB Goku
SSJ3 gogeta = 400X SSB Goku


Not even getting into god forms

Unless you think MUI is over 400X above SSB, you can't even put it in the same level as golden forms of a heavily low balled fusion

Originally posted by Galan007
And tbh, Broly being > Jiren is also in-line with DB history. I mean, when has a primary antagonist/opponent ever decreased in power as the series has progressed? The baddies always get stronger with each arc. This. The threats always get worse, they never decline.

Raditz, to Nappa, to Vegeta, to Dodoria, to Zarbon, to the Ginyu Force, to Frieza, to Androids, to Cell, to Buu, to restrained Beerus, to Golden Frieza, to Hit, to Zamasu and Black, to Jiren, to Broly, to Moro.

Originally posted by Genii96
Base gogeta is stronger than SSB Goku and Vegeta out together (that's how fusion works) and he can stack his own SSB on it. Even assuming he was only equal to SSB Goku/Vegeta. You'd have

Ssj gogeta= 50X SSB Goku
SSJ3 gogeta = 400X SSB Goku


Not even getting into god forms

Unless you think MUI is over 400X above SSB, you can't even put it in the same level as golden forms of a heavily low balled fusion Yeah, base Gogeta was almost certainly > SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta individually, given how he was outpacing Broly before casually swatting away a few of his energy attacks.

But lets just assume base Gogeta = SSB Goku.

Like you said, that would put a theoretical SS3 Gogeta at 400x SSB Goku, per canon multipliers.

Now lets just assume that SSG is only 2x SS3, and SSB is only 2x SSG -- that would still put SSB Gogeta at 1,600x SSB Goku.

Good luck proving that MUI gleans anywhere near that much of an amp... And then remember that it's also a hysterically low-end figure, as the SSG/SSB multipliers are obviously much greater than what I cited above.

Originally posted by Mendax
This. The threats always get worse, they never decline.

Raditz, to Nappa, to Vegeta, to Dodoria, to Zarbon, to the Ginyu Force, to Frieza, to Androids, to Cell, to Buu, to restrained Beerus, to Golden Frieza, to Hit, to Zamasu and Black, to Jiren, to Broly, to Moro.

I mean, isn't kid buu weaker than buuhan?

Originally posted by Galan007
And tbh, Broly being > Jiren is also in-line with DB history. I mean, when has a primary antagonist/opponent ever decreased in power as the series has progressed? The baddies always get stronger with each arc.
Battle of Gods --> Revival of F.

Aside from when he nullified the SDEB, Beerus was only using a micro-fraction of his power during BoG -- just enough to make his fight with n00b-SSG Goku interesting.

So from that perspective, RoF --> BoG.


*Of course we know that Beerus could easily rape RoF Golden Freeza and SSB Goku if he wanted to. I'm just taking about the immensely suppressed Beerus featured in BoG, as he was obviously not utilizing SSB-tier power against Goku there.