Omega Red vs. Moonstone

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Wonder Man
Is Omega Red a big shot or will she play him too.

Dareangel
in the way the fight SHOULD be? he should give a fight and win some. but the way it WILL be in the comics? omega red gets destroyed because its "Girl power" AKA "120 lbs chicks must beat the shit out of muscular guys or its sexism" VS toxic musculinity + evil white man+ blonde which means aggressively white = must get beat up badly and kicked in the nutts by the woman at the end of the fight while lying down all bloody. modern political comics are the best arent they.

Wonder Man

StyleTime
Originally posted by Dareangel
in the way the fight SHOULD be? he should give a fight and win some. but the way it WILL be in the comics? omega red gets destroyed because its "Girl power" AKA "120 lbs chicks must beat the shit out of muscular guys or its sexism" VS toxic musculinity + evil white man+ blonde which means aggressively white = must get beat up badly and kicked in the nutts by the woman at the end of the fight while lying down all bloody. modern political comics are the best arent they.
They have super powers. Why would their muscles matter?

Dareangel
Originally posted by StyleTime
They have super powers. Why would their muscles matter?

in case you didnt notice, i was refering to an overall pattern, and not simply how this fight will go. the pattern is always the 120 lbs chick beats the buffed guy with the SUPER HUMAN strength, regardless of how strong he is and if he is suppose to be more powerful, because girl power and toxic musculinity. the showing of the 120 lbs chick beating the crap out of some huge buffed guy PHYSICALLY and in many casses stomping on his balls, is very comon and the norm in comics this days. you know it, everybody know it, so please, save me playing the devils advocate. it makes eyes roll.

StyleTime
I'm not playing devil's advocate. I'm disagreeing, and think you're not taking a holistic view of the matter.

Is Atomic Blonde style silliness really happening all that often? And more than men doing it?

Dareangel
Originally posted by StyleTime
I'm not playing devil's advocate. I'm disagreeing, and think you're not taking a holistic view of the matter.

Is Atomic Blonde style silliness really happening all that often? And more than men doing it?

come on man, you are reading the same comics we all read. how often do we get the silly "girl power" moments where the 120 lbs chick beating and humiliating the toxic muscular guy while giving him a "i am no ones girl" speech? how about almost every single damn time some model chick is going up against a big muscular man? come on my man, do i really need to post endless amounts of scans? we all read comics and know what am i talking about.

GalacticStorm
Moonstone

Glorificus
Moonstone can keep her distance, fly circles around him, and manipulate the gravity around him...

As long as she doesn't get within range of his death spores or tentacles, not seeing how he'd even be able to touch her...

StyleTime
Originally posted by Dareangel
come on man, you are reading the same comics we all read. how often do we get the silly "girl power" moments where the 120 lbs chick beating and humiliating the toxic muscular guy while giving him a "i am no ones girl" speech? how about almost every single damn time some model chick is going up against a big muscular man? come on my man, do i really need to post endless amounts of scans? we all read comics and know what am i talking about.
Well, yeah, that's why I'm disagreeing: I read comics too. If they both have super powers, their body weight doesn't typically matter. That only leaves your whole "chicks beating way more powerful dudes with girl powah!" statement. You claim it always happens, but I rarely see it. Certainly not enough for "endless amounts of scans" of it, although feel free to post them.

If you're talking about the battle waif trope in tv/movies, where some regular Charlize Theron type sends people flying with a move straight out of a women's self defense workshop, sure, that's ridiculous. But so is the male secret agent beating 10 trained dudes at once. Something like Emma Frost and Shadowcat beating Sebastion Shaw isn't silly though, even if the story was dumb. They don't need muscles since they have superpowers...

Bad writing exists, but it doesn't mean swing the other way and get upset any time a woman wins a fight against a man.

StiltmanFTW
Do you even know who Dareangel is?

What's next, Style? You're going to marry Carver and adopt h1a8, Colossus Big C and Alberto?

Or you're going to polish Surtur's nails in GDF?

Dareangel
Originally posted by StyleTime
Well, yeah, that's why I'm disagreeing: I read comics too. If they both have super powers, their body weight doesn't typically matter. That only leaves your whole "chicks beating way more powerful dudes with girl powah!" statement. You claim it always happens, but I rarely see it. Certainly not enough for "endless amounts of scans" of it, although feel free to post them.

If you're talking about the battle waif trope in tv/movies, where some regular Charlize Theron type sends people flying with a move straight out of a women's self defense workshop, sure, that's ridiculous. But so is the male secret agent beating 10 trained dudes at once. Something like Emma Frost and Shadowcat beating Sebastion Shaw isn't silly though, even if the story was dumb. They don't need muscles since they have superpowers...

Bad writing exists, but it doesn't mean swing the other way and get upset any time a woman wins a fight against a man.

really? in that case, would you be kind and provide me with scans of super heroes, who have the powers to at least be able to win, being able to defeat the "120 lbs chick" type?
i am not saying that i dont like it when the "120 lbs chick" being able to physically destroy your typical "alpha musculinity" type of guy, just because it happens, i just say it happens almost every single time when those 2 types collide.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Dareangel
really? in that case, would you be kind and provide me with scans of super heroes, who have the powers to at least be able to win, being able to defeat the "120 lbs chick" type?
i am not saying that i dont like it when the "120 lbs chick" being able to physically destroy your typical "alpha musculinity" type of guy, just because it happens, i just say it happens almost every single time when those 2 types collide.

Hulk vs......any female. Even Cap Marvel.

Superman Vs Supergirl AND Billy.

I can dig the scans up if you want. But that's just off the top of my head, from the past year or so.

Dareangel
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hulk vs......any female. Even Cap Marvel.

Superman Vs Supergirl AND Billy.

I can dig the scans up if you want. But that's just off the top of my head, from the past year or so.

hulk vs any female? can you be more specific and point out a specific fight?

superman vs supergirl? and how many cases of superman getting destroyed we got over that one? most iconic is superman getting literally broken by wonder woman. and is that all?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Dareangel
hulk vs any female? can you be more specific and point out a specific fight?

superman vs supergirl? and how many cases of superman getting destroyed we got over that one? most iconic is superman getting literally broken by wonder woman. and is that all?

Vs Captain Marvel

We also have DCeased Superman tearing WW a new one, even when she prepped for him.

As I said, first ones that came to mind. Doesn't change that Superman with one hand was choking Supergirl out. - and this was a couple months ago.

How many instances do you want?? You said 'almost every time'. I say that's just wrong. But sure, challenge me at least. Give me parameters - limit it to just Marvel, the last 10 years, street/herald level, whatever.

StiltmanFTW
Deadpool vs. Gwenpool

DarkSaint85
Dareangel is prob just looking for fap material m

StyleTime
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Do you even know who Dareangel is?

What's next, Style? You're going to marry Carver and adopt h1a8, Colossus Big C and Alberto?

Or you're going to polish Surtur's nails in GDF?
True. I forgot he was the one raising hell about Beast secretly being superpowerful, and us not respecting his powah!'
Originally posted by Dareangel
really? in that case, would you be kind and provide me with scans of super heroes, who have the powers to at least be able to win, being able to defeat the "120 lbs chick" type?
i am not saying that i dont like it when the "120 lbs chick" being able to physically destroy your typical "alpha musculinity" type of guy, just because it happens, i just say it happens almost every single time when those 2 types collide.
How about teams of them?

Stryfe smashed a whole coalition of various X-Force folks, with multiple women. Psylocke, Storm, Domino, Boom Boom, Hope, and their male teammates all got subdued pretty handily. Would have gotten Spiral too, had she not teleported away. Even after the surprise TP stab from Cable and Spiral, Stryfe still had them dead to rights. (Not all depicted in these shots, but they were present and shown in other panels/pages.)
https://postimg.cc/yDZp92MS
https://postimg.cc/LnRjvwg1
https://postimg.cc/3dBmq12b

William Stryker smashed Monet, Domino, Lady Deathstrike, along with their teammates here.
https://postimg.cc/t78hP7p2

Even when they beat him later, it took them enlisting a squad like this. And they still might have lost had it not been for hax-y people like Sauron. (And he still didn't "die". Just turned into a more powerful evil spirit lol.)
https://postimg.cc/5QQLTWqB

And of course, Shen Kuei vs the B.A.D. Girls.
https://postimg.cc/BLS383nJ
https://postimg.cc/5jt1bfr3
https://postimg.cc/nMwxL6bt

And as DarkSaint asked, are there any stipulations here? 1 on 1? A certain time period? Mr X vs Black Widow? Gorgon vs Wolverine/Elektra? Those count?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Dareangel is prob just looking for fap material m
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It's definitely awkward he's made our win condition "show me chicks getting beat up." lol.

I actually think a better question is what are these unfair, "girl powah!" moments? I see people say it a lot, but I don't really witness it much. Just feels like some folks go crazy when a girl wins a fight, and blame the "girl powah!" boogeyman.

Bentley
Superman beats all sexes equally just like Thor jobs to all sexes equally, they are fair like that

cdtm
Moonshine wins.

Dareangel
Originally posted by StyleTime
True. I forgot he was the one raising hell about Beast secretly being superpowerful, and us not respecting his powah!'

How about teams of them?

Stryfe smashed a whole coalition of various X-Force folks, with multiple women. Psylocke, Storm, Domino, Boom Boom, Hope, and their male teammates all got subdued pretty handily. Would have gotten Spiral too, had she not teleported away. Even after the surprise TP stab from Cable and Spiral, Stryfe still had them dead to rights. (Not all depicted in these shots, but they were present and shown in other panels/pages.)
https://postimg.cc/yDZp92MS
https://postimg.cc/LnRjvwg1
https://postimg.cc/3dBmq12b

William Stryker smashed Monet, Domino, Lady Deathstrike, along with their teammates here.
https://postimg.cc/t78hP7p2

Even when they beat him later, it took them enlisting a squad like this. And they still might have lost had it not been for hax-y people like Sauron. (And he still didn't "die". Just turned into a more powerful evil spirit lol.)
https://postimg.cc/5QQLTWqB

And of course, Shen Kuei vs the B.A.D. Girls.
https://postimg.cc/BLS383nJ
https://postimg.cc/5jt1bfr3
https://postimg.cc/nMwxL6bt

And as DarkSaint asked, are there any stipulations here? 1 on 1? A certain time period? Mr X vs Black Widow? Gorgon vs Wolverine/Elektra? Those count?

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It's definitely awkward he's made our win condition "show me chicks getting beat up." lol.

I actually think a better question is what are these unfair, "girl powah!" moments? I see people say it a lot, but I don't really witness it much. Just feels like some folks go crazy when a girl wins a fight, and blame the "girl powah!" boogeyman.

so you presented few moments here and there. i can just say female ultron and the entire X of swords storyline and it trashes your scans like nothing. only those 2 i mentioned are full of powerful intependent woman destroy weak pathetic man like nothing while standing over them. i am mostly talking about marvel for the last 5 years.

Dareangel
Also, i mostly refer to 1 on 1 fights. i mean sure when there is the casual bad guy boss figure wrecking teams, there isnt as much emphasize on the female vs male thing as in 1 vs 1 fights.

StyleTime
Originally posted by Dareangel
so you presented few moments here and there. i can just say female ultron and the entire X of swords storyline and it trashes your scans like nothing. only those 2 i mentioned are full of powerful intependent woman destroy weak pathetic man like nothing while standing over them. i am mostly talking about marvel for the last 5 years.
Well, no. You said that women were always beating foes that should outmatch them. As I said before, Female Ultron has super powers. She was very powerful so it's no surprise she did what she did. X of Swords, again, superpowers. I can't really think of an undeserved victory there, aside the from the troll contests that weren't actually fights.

As I said before, it sounds like you're just upset when women win fights. Can you actually show examples of women unfairly winning against more powerful people simply due to "gurl powah!" as you call it? Then, can you show it happens more often than men winning those type of fights?

I think you really need to do some self-reflection on the topic, and why you feel this way.
Originally posted by Dareangel
Also, i mostly refer to 1 on 1 fights. i mean sure when there is the casual bad guy boss figure wrecking teams, there isnt as much emphasize on the female vs male thing as in 1 vs 1 fights.
Everything I posted, minus Shen Kuei vs the B.A.D. girls, was within the last five years. Your Female Ultron was from 2007 though, and it doesn't quite support what you're saying. It doesn't matter that she was smaller than Ares, and had dat ass(Shout out to Frank Cho. He loves drawin' butts). She's a superpowered individual, so she's as strong as her powers make her.

As for your new stipulations--off the top of my head, Blob clowned on X-23. Shadow King tooled Psylocke. Captain Marvel vs Hulk is another, as Darksaint said. Sebastian Shaw did kill Shadowcat, although I suppose prep was involved.

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