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Jonathan Kent is who made Superman the hero he is. Instead in MOS he was a coldblooded jerk who was willing to let a bus full of kids drown to not expose his son. Also that stupid tornado scene where Clark totally could have rush in and grab him out, nobody would even notice and nothing would have happened. It's just that Kevin Costner's great acting didn't let him to be bashed too much.

Instead shouldn't it be:

Jonathan Kent saw the bus fell, he tried his best to save them and help his son cover, thumb up for Clark's action.

Jonathan Kent tried to save ppl who got struck when tornado came and got injured, then he told Clark: Do not be too sad when you cannot save everyone, but never hesitate when you have the chance to use your power to help others.

THIS is what he is.

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No idea. Dad issues?

Op sounds Butthurt

He's not wrong though. He made Pa Kent an extremely cold and assholish character who was more concerned about the government taking and experimenting on Clark(like they could if he just said no) than helping people or raising him to be a good person.

Man of steel came out like 10 years ago right?

7 years. What is your point?

I was asking a question, feels like double that

The villains of MOS were very well set.

MoS Jonathan was a more realistic father than his comic counterpart, or most incarnations, who knew the real dangers and risk of alienation his son would face if the world knew who he really was, despite his powers. You also have to take into account that Clark was young and still in his teens when Jonathan died. If Jonathan had lived to see Clark at his full potential, he probably would have been less reserved in regards to his son's hero-status.

Jonathan was also conflicted over the bus, I believe the commentary was something like "maybe, I don't know." when asked by Clark if he should have let everyone die. Which tells us he wasn't flat out heartless over the scenario, just torn between his son doing the right thing and risking himself.


Play the scene out if Clark had been discovered, say someone with a camera had recorded Clark pushing the bus out of the water. People would have investigated, the government would eventually get involved and while Clark was probably strong enough to fight off any attempts to take him as a kid, what kind of life would the he and his parent's have going forward.

Snyder probably didn't want him to be a poor man's version of Uncle Ben.

Originally posted by Robtard
MoS Jonathan was a more realistic father than his comic counterpart, or most incarnations, who knew the real dangers and risk of alienation his son would face if the world knew who he really was, despite his powers. You also have to take into account that Clark was young and still in his teens when Jonathan died. If Jonathan had lived to see Clark at his full potential, he probably would have been less reserved in regards to his son's hero-status.

Jonathan was also conflicted over the bus, I believe the commentary was something like "maybe, I don't know." when asked by Clark if he should have let everyone die. Which tells us he wasn't flat out heartless over the scenario, just torn between his son doing the right thing and risking himself.


Play the scene out if Clark had been discovered, say someone with a camera had recorded Clark pushing the bus out of the water. People would have investigated, the government would eventually get involved and while Clark was probably strong enough to fight off any attempts to take him as a kid, what kind of life would the he and his parent's have going forward.



Yeah there was a moral dilemma there in that Clark getting discovered as a child would not be a good thing.

Still think it was overprotection when as a grown man hes still not allowing him to help him. But maybe the issue was more with Clark there. He chose (as a kid) to save the bus, but chose not to save his Dad when hes a lot older just because his dad says dont.

Jonathan still sacrificed himself to protect Clarks secret though. Cant really fault him for that.

Pa Kent and Ma Kent suck as supporting characters; can't really blame Snyder for changing them.

the answer is simple snyder and his cult are pieces of dogshit

Dying in a tornado is the most interesting thing Pa Kent has done since 1939...

He didn't "choose to". He just sucks @ss at writing. None of the side characters were any good either. Kent just happened to be one of the worst.

He had a choice of teaching his kid to do what was right or what was easy, he chose to teach Clark to do what was easy

Snyder from the start wanted to portray the world as being more realistic than the one in the comics. imo, there are few things more realistic than a parent being loyal to their child above all else.

That's just being Human.

Sounds like, again, the problem is people confusing their anger at the idea rather than the execution.

Originally posted by -Pr-
more realistic than the one in the comics

"Hey bro, our mothers have the same name."

"Oh f*ck yeah, let's go to my place."



... realistic?

At least Jonathan Kent is not an unrepentant rapist

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"Hey bro, our mothers have the same name."

"Oh f*ck yeah, let's go to my place."



... realistic?

I didn't say it was good.

You more than anyone know how bad comic dialogue/writing can be.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"Hey bro, our mothers have the same name."

"Oh f*ck yeah, let's go to my place."

... realistic?


I actually didnt have an issue with that bit. Batman never exactly handled his parents demise like a normal person.

My issue with that whole thing is Batman was literally going to murder Superman. And for what?

If Batman is out to murder there better be a damn good reason.

Batman is a weapon obsessed, fanatical maniac who thinks he is above the law. I don't see how it is surprising at all he kills someone randomly whenever his imaginary moral compass feels like it

Originally posted by -Pr-
I didn't say it was good.

You more than anyone know how bad comic dialogue/writing can be.

You know what my problem with Snyder is?

Not Kents, not even that "Martha" scene... it's that the man is perfectly capable of adapting the comic source material and almost not changing anything (300 is the perfect example of that).

Yet in DCEU, he has given us horrible abominations such as Eisenlex and Ezraflash.

You could blame the actors and the script, sure, but as the director, he should've had something to say about it, no?


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Then there's the CGI problem. If Warner doesn't have the money to hire good designers and give them the tools they need... then there was absolutely no need to make Steppenwolf a CGI beast (especially since he has a very human appearance in the books) and don't get me started on Teenage Mutant Ninja Cave Troll Doomsday, who should've had his own arc instead of getting shoehorned at the end.

They wanted to rush things in order to catch up with MCU. The results are more than disastrous.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You know what my problem with Snyder is?

Not Kents, not even that "Martha" scene... it's that the man is perfectly capable of adapting the comic source material and almost not changing anything (300 is the perfect example of that).

Yet in DCEU, he has given us horrible abominations such as Eisenlex and Ezraflash.

You could blame the actors and the script, sure, but as the director, he should've had something to say about it, no?


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Then there's the CGI problem. If Warner doesn't have the money to hire good designers and give them the tools they need... then there was absolutely no need to make Steppenwolf a CGI beast (especially since he has a very human appearance in the books) and don't get me started on Teenage Mutant Ninja Cave Troll Doomsday, who should've had his own arc instead of getting shoehorned at the end.

They wanted to rush things in order to catch up with MCU. The results are more than disastrous.

He'd not a good storyteller. If they had told him "Adapt Last Son of Krypton" or "Adapt Death of Superman", then he would have done fine, because the story would have been written for him already. But ask him to come up with something himself, and we get shit like... well, the movies he directed for DC.

I feel like Snyder is at fault for the CGI too. As in, he approved the art department's shit.

I will give him some leeway with Doomsday (though only a little). iirc the one we saw in SvB was supposed to be the larval form, and would eventually become the one from the comics. Terrible design, sure, but I can see where he was going at least.

It's BvS, not SvB.

Stop fantasizing about Clark being on top, okay?


And Doomsday already went through some changes in the film and still looked like shit, so that's no excuse.

Originally posted by -Pr-
As in, he approved the art department's shit.

Same with him approving the script, yes.

He wasn't always involved in the writing process.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They wanted to rush things in order to catch up with MCU. The results are more than disastrous.


Everyone knows that. Pr was complaining about that long before watching BvS.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Everyone knows that.

Sadly, not everyone. Just the sane members of this forum.

Try convincing the likes of Golgo, Playa, Fly or some other fanatics/snyderbots.

Or the dc fanboys who are hiding in the comic book versus forum

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Or the dc fanboys who are hiding in the comic book versus forum


Yeah unfortunately I have dealt with abhi in the past. A past best forgotten.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's BvS, not SvB.

Stop fantasizing about Clark being on top, okay?


And Doomsday already went through some changes in the film and still looked like shit, so that's no excuse.



Same with him approving the script, yes.

He wasn't always involved in the writing process.

It's not fantasy, it's reality!

Some changes. Not all the changes he was supposed to. He just should have started off better is all.

The dialogue? No, but the entire "idea" around the film was his. He wanted the character to be that version of the characters. He wanted to do things his way. Pesky things like dialogue and plot don't get in the way of him making cool shit.