should people who've had COVID still be required to get the vaccine?

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DeadpoolXXX
i am speaking from the standpoint of someone who IS fully vaccinated, for the record.

but here's my question-
if someone has already had covid, and still has the antibodies, should they still be required to get vaccinated on top of that? because according to most of the literature i've read, the antibodies offer MORE protection than the vaccine, so a lot of unvaccinated people are wondering why they should even take the "risk" of getting stuck (assuming they already have the antibodies obviously).

thoughts?

Bashar Teg
nobody "has the antibodies" because you can catch covid more than once. bro-scientists say otherwise, but they're wrong, and retarded as well

DeadpoolXXX
you can also get covid if you've been vaccinated. neither offer 100% immunity.

the point is that if you've had covid, you DO carry antibodies that offer more protection than the vaccine. with that in mind, do you think the vaccine should be pushed on the people with those antibodies?

Bashar Teg
nope, you're quoting bro science and ignoring variants

snowdragon
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
you can also get covid if you've been vaccinated. neither offer 100% immunity.

the point is that if you've had covid, you DO carry antibodies that offer more protection than the vaccine. with that in mind, do you think the vaccine should be pushed on the people with those antibodies?

If you've had covvid you shouldn't be forced to get vaccinated, you have antibodies even if their are variants, thats not broscience its just plain science.

Blakemore

eThneoLgrRnae
No one should ever be forced to take any vaccine against their will ever... period. I'd like to see any vaccine fascist motherf**kers try to force any vaccine on me against my will. It wouldn't end well for them I promise. And spare me any bullshit about how it is my responsibility to get vaxxed in order to "protect others". Anyone who tries to guilt me like in order to take something i don't want will get the middle finger and a face full of spit I don't give a shit who they are.

Blakemore

cdtm
Never EVER!

BackFire
There is no requirement for anyone to get the vaccine. So the question is bunk to begin with.

Though there is evidence suggesting that it's a very good idea to get vaccinated if you've had covid in the past. Studies are showing that people who had covid, and then get vaccinated afterwards have the most robust defense against the disease imaginable. Their antibodies are different than those who only get vaccinated, and it seems may be immune against all coronaviruses.

jaden_2.0
The emerging evidence suggests that natural immunity via infection and immunity via vaccination have different positive responses. Natural immunity gives protection across a broader range of variants and vaccinations protect more against severe symptoms. Vaccinations also result in longer immunity (by between 3 and 9 months depending on individual factors. So the latest meta-analysis suggests anyway.

cdtm
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
The emerging evidence suggests that natural immunity via infection and immunity via vaccination have different positive responses. Natural immunity gives protection across a broader range of variants and vaccinations protect more against severe symptoms. Vaccinations also result in longer immunity (by between 3 and 9 months depending on individual factors. So the latest meta-analysis suggests anyway.

And here is how you follow the science. thumb up

eThneoLgrRnae
I wish all governors were as against unconstitutional, tyrannical vaccine mandates as governor DeSantis is. He seems to be the most freedom-loving governor out there. A real American patriot.

eThneoLgrRnae
I know I said I was done with voting in federal elections but I wouldn't hesitate to vote for DeSantis if he ran for the presidency.

NewGuy01
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
if someone has already had covid, and still has the antibodies,
Had COVID how recently? Has what antibody levels? We don't know for exactly how long that immunity is good for, and as far as I'm aware, we're not doing any widespread antibody testing either. So better to err on the side of caution, I say.

Besides, it seems like we're all going to need boosters at some point, regardless of how we acquired immunity. Even if we grant them this loophole now, the antivaxxer crowd will still need to get over this at some point, unless they plan on contracting COVID every year-or-so for the rest of their lives. Which, of course, kind of defeats the purpose of this whole exercise.


Maybe so, but even if that's true, it's still better to get the vaccine than not. More is better.


Emphasis on your quotation marks. Something like half of the world population has already been vaccinated; there's hardly any risk to speak of. Far greater is the risk of not being vaccinated, and increasing your odds of contracting COVID again. The suspicions surrounding vaccines tend not to be based in any sort of reason, so I don't feel particularly inclined to entertain this excuse.

-Pr-
Originally posted by BackFire
There is no requirement for anyone to get the vaccine. So the question is bunk to begin with.

Though there is evidence suggesting that it's a very good idea to get vaccinated if you've had covid in the past. Studies are showing that people who had covid, and then get vaccinated afterwards have the most robust defense against the disease imaginable. Their antibodies are different than those who only get vaccinated, and it seems may be immune against all coronaviruses.

Yup. thumb up

Blakemore

Galan007
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
i am speaking from the standpoint of someone who IS fully vaccinated, for the record.

but here's my question-
if someone has already had covid, and still has the antibodies, should they still be required to get vaccinated on top of that? because according to most of the literature i've read, the antibodies offer MORE protection than the vaccine, so a lot of unvaccinated people are wondering why they should even take the "risk" of getting stuck (assuming they already have the antibodies obviously).

thoughts? Like a few others have said: the body's natural resistance, post-COVID, gives you a broader scope of resistance. Stacking the vaccine on top of that gives you a broader depth of resistance.

So while I disagree with any sort of formal mandate, the benefits of the vaccine would still be worthwhile in this scenario.

cdtm
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Had COVID how recently? Has what antibody levels? We don't know for exactly how long that immunity is good for, and as far as I'm aware, we're not doing any widespread antibody testing either. So better to err on the side of caution, I say.

Besides, it seems like we're all going to need boosters at some point, regardless of how we acquired immunity. Even if we grant them this loophole now, the antivaxxer crowd will still need to get over this at some point, unless they plan on contracting COVID every year-or-so for the rest of their lives. Which, of course, kind of defeats the purpose of this whole exercise.


Maybe so, but even if that's true, it's still better to get the vaccine than not. More is better.


Emphasis on your quotation marks. Something like half of the world population has already been vaccinated; there's hardly any risk to speak of. Far greater is the risk of not being vaccinated, and increasing your odds of contracting COVID again. The suspicions surrounding vaccines tend not to be based in any sort of reason, so I don't feel particularly inclined to entertain this excuse.


People have been dying post vax.


They just never attribute it to potential vax complications, the same way they attribute every death to covid-related complications even if the death itself is not related in any way.

jaden_2.0
Originally posted by cdtm
People have been dying post vax.


They just never attribute it to potential vax complications, the same way they attribute every death to covid-related complications even if the death itself is not related in any way.

Who's "they"?

samhain
The Jews probably.

cdtm
Originally posted by samhain
The Jews probably.


The left

Jews are on both sides. stick out tongue

Old Man Whirly!
He wants to say that at a Tottenham Game. Although I've always hoped for irony, confusion and sheer hilarity Spurs gets bought one day by a wealthy Muslim.

samhain
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
He wants to say that at a Tottenham Game. Although I've always hoped for irony, confusion and sheer hilarity Spurs gets bought one day by a wealthy Muslim.


laughing Wouldn't that be something? Of Palestinian descent hopefully.

Old Man Whirly!
Originally posted by samhain
laughing Wouldn't that be something? Of Palestinian descent hopefully. I would love that. laughing out loud

jaden_2.0
Originally posted by cdtm
The left

Jews are on both sides. stick out tongue

You should probably listen to actual experts instead.

snowdragon
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Who's "they"?

In the USA I believe hospitals and such received extra funding based on covid infections and deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/readiness/funding-covid.htm

cdtm
Originally posted by snowdragon
In the USA I believe hospitals and such received extra funding based on covid infections and deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/readiness/funding-covid.htm

Hospitals have all kinds of ****ed up incentives.



This one hospital had a shortage on masks for nurses and basic necessities for patients. It turned out the person in charge of managing supplies had an incentive to spend as little as possible, and he was purposely underfunding the budget and stealing money for personal use. The head director literally threw him out by the collar when he found out about it.


But those kinds of incentives almost always have unintended consequences, like underfunding or overrepresenting sicknesses (Purposely making bad prognosis's and such as needed)

Robtard
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
You should probably listen to actual experts instead.

That would be far too logical a stance. These people take on willful ignorance as a political ideology.

cdtm
Originally posted by Robtard
That would be far too logical a stance. These people take on willful ignorance as a political ideology.

Anti-vax experts get cited all the time. The left censor's them as "misinformation".


Yet they are still experts, they went through the same schooling as anyone else and did their research, and can back up their conclusions. They simply disagree with the left wing narrative.

Robtard
Except they can't backup there conclusions because their conclusions go against science and logic (eg "the vaccinated are dying more than the unvacciated of covid", "the vaccinated are shedding poisins into the water" etc.) and this is why they're told they're stupid.

Try again?

eThneoLgrRnae
Originally posted by cdtm
People have been dying post vax.


They just never attribute it to potential vax complications, the same way they attribute every death to covid-related complications even if the death itself is not related in any way.


Yep, thousands have actually, but as you said they rarely if ever attribute it to the vaxx.... that is a no-no... you aren't allowed to say it was the vaccine tbat killed them.

It is actually the vaccinated that are a danger to the unvaccinated, not the other way around.. The vaxxed are the ones spreading the mutant variants. They are basically walking bioweapons. I've posted this before and everyone conveniently ignores it but here it is again from a real doctor who isn't afraid of big pharma or their cronies.

eThneoLgrRnae
Originally posted by snowdragon
In the USA I believe hospitals and such received extra funding based on covid infections and deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/readiness/funding-covid.htm


Course they did. Lots of extra funding for labelling a wide range of types of death as "covid deaths". I've posted actual screenshots of proof of that and once again, people here ignored it.... except for klaw.

I even posted a screenshot of a news story from Florida about a man being killed in a motorcycle accident being labelled a "covid death".

They were vastly overinflating death count numbers to cause a climate of fear and hysteria and all of the sheep swallowed it whole.

Robtard

eThneoLgrRnae
These mutant variants didn't start popping up till AFTER people started getting vaccinated. That's not a coincidence.

Unfortunately, the braindead zombie sheep who naively think big pharma and those in power just have their best interests and well-being as their top priority aren't smart enough to put 2 and 2 together.

They think big pharma and big daddy government would never ever lie to them.... oh no, that would never happen. roll eyes (sarcastic)

eThneoLgrRnae
I would feel sorry for all of the gullible brainwashed "the vaccine is the super bestest most greatest coolest thing ever!" crowd if it wasn't for the fact that most of them are same people who love communism and or socialism and hate America.

eThneoLgrRnae
Originally posted by cdtm
Anti-vax experts get cited all the time. The left censor's them as "misinformation".


Yet they are still experts, they went through the same schooling as anyone else and did their research, and can back up their conclusions. They simply disagree with the left wing narrative.


Yup.... it reminds me of when an actual scientist says something that goes against that dumb evolution theory.... atheists and evolutionists yell "he isn't a real scientist!" lol.

It's the exact same with covid and vaccines. Anytime a doctor or scientist says something about the vaccines people like robbie don't like they say they "aren't real experts" lol.

Fauci is a criminal liar. .. that is all he is truly an expert at.

Robtard
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
These mutant variants didn't start popping up till AFTER people started getting vaccinated. That's not a coincidence.

Unfortunately, the braindead zombie sheep who naively think big pharma and those in power just have their best interests and well-being as their top priority aren't smart enough to put 2 and 2 together.

They think big pharma and big daddy government would never ever lie to them.... oh no, that would never happen. roll eyes (sarcastic)


^More Trumper nonsense.

Reality: One of the first mutations tracked was early into the pandemic: D614G

More reality: The more people who become infected, the more chances the virus has of mutating. It's why people need to get vaccinated.

cdtm
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Yup.... it reminds me of when an actual scientist says something that goes against that dumb evolution theory.... atheists and evolutionists yell "he isn't a real scientist!" lol.

It's the exact same with covid and vaccines. Anytime a doctor or scientist says something about the vaccines people like robbie don't like they say they "aren't real experts" lol.

Fauci is a criminal liar. .. that is all he is truly an expert at.


http://totalhealthmatters.co.uk/a-massive-fraud-has-been-perpetrated-by-dr-michael-yeadon-phd/


See this guy? This terrifies me.

eThneoLgrRnae
Originally posted by cdtm
http://totalhealthmatters.co.uk/a-massive-fraud-has-been-perpetrated-by-dr-michael-yeadon-phd/


See this guy? This terrifies me.


Yeah, I don't have time to read that entire article right now but I'll save it to read in its entirety later.

From what I've read so far he is spot on. This is all part of a mass depopulation agenda.

Now watch as the brainwashed sheep on this forum calls everything he said a "conspiracy theory" lol.

snowdragon
Originally posted by Robtard
Except they can't backup there conclusions because their conclusions go against science and logic (eg "the vaccinated are dying more than the unvacciated of covid", "the vaccinated are shedding poisins into the water" etc.) and this is why they're told they're stupid.

Try again?

At this point I would imagine that saying everyone needs a vaccine isn't very accurate. We know the groups susceptible to the virus and everyone who has had the virus isn't a priority. If your old fat and inactive you need a vaccine over 60......easy peasy language that matches what we know.

Robtard
eg The reason the Polio Eradication Initiative worked so well in many countries is because just about everybody was vaccinated. In the US it's over 92%.


But sure, let's just go with our feelings inside of science because Rightist decided to politicize Covid-19 and being anti-vax is very cool now.

Klaw
Leftists have been casting doubts on the vaccine since the beginning, but it's "Rightists" faults.

Robtard
^More Trumper fake news

eThneoLgrRnae
Originally posted by Klaw
Leftists have been casting doubts on the vaccine since the beginning, but it's "Rightists" faults.


Yeah, when Trump was president taking vaccine was dangerous but now apparently it's like TOTALLY "safe and effective" with Biden at the helm (God help us).

Oh leftists... smh.

Klaw
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Yeah, when Trump was president taking vaccine was dangerous but now apparently it's like TOTALLY "safe and effective" with Biden at the helm (God help us).

Oh leftists... smh.

Apparently the vaccine became safe when the Presidency changed.

Which means if Trump was still President, Leftists would still be anti-vax.

Robtard
Reality: The first vaccine came out in Dec 2020, Trump was still President, smart people were taking it, Rightist were still freaking out.

eThneoLgrRnae
Originally posted by Klaw
Apparently the vaccine became safe when the Presidency changed.

Which means if Trump was still President, Leftists would still be anti-vax.


It's like that old joke that if Trump were to come out and say oxygen is great and it's a good thing we all breathe it TDS leftists would hold their breath till they suffocated lol.

Darth Thor
Not as funny as the joke of Trump calling the election fake because hes losing, and all his followers believing him. Ah that one was Hilarious. Because can almost imagine Trumpers actually falling for that one.

snowdragon
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Not as funny as the joke of Trump calling the election fake because hes losing, and all his followers believing him. Ah that one was Hilarious. Because can almost imagine Trumpers actually falling for that one.


It was only hilarious because instead of being introspective ppl decided it was all nonsense and decided facts were shite

Robtard
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Not as funny as the joke of Trump calling the election fake because hes losing, and all his followers believing him. Ah that one was Hilarious. Because can almost imagine Trumpers actually falling for that one.

This is what happens when people believe their idol had a "100% chance of winning" and was "unbeatable", they can't accept defeat, so they must have been cheated. What a bunch of sad losers.

Darth Thor
Originally posted by snowdragon
It was only hilarious because instead of being introspective ppl decided it was all nonsense and decided facts were shite


Yeah they should have believed fraud was happening solely because Trump was sore loser.

Blakemore
2016: Leftists are claiming the election was stolen because they can't accept defeat - Trumpers
2020: I won't accept defeat because it was stolen - Trump

no expression

BackFire
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah they should have believed fraud was happening solely because Trump was sore loser.

But there were videos of poll workers putting ballots into large baskets. BASKETS! Inexcusable.

cdtm
Originally posted by BackFire
But there were videos of poll workers putting ballots into large baskets. BASKETS! Inexcusable.


They kicked watchers out, nothing to see here style.

BackFire
No they didn't. They just made them move like 10 feet away.

Like they took all this to court and literally every court decision shit all over the idea of voter fraud taking place.

The evidence was so flimsy that even Trump's own lawyers, when arguing in court, couldn't say that fraud had occurred because it's illegal to lie in court like that.

It was all a big pony show, Trump's own lawyers knew it.

Robtard
Trumpers are impervious to facts.

eThneoLgrRnae
Originally posted by cdtm
They kicked watchers out, nothing to see here style. Yeah, and it was a hell of a lot more than just that. Not gonna post evidence of all the underhanded shit that went on again. Would take too god**** long and leftists here would just poo-poo it away as "being nothing" as they always do. Just let them keep stupidly believing that Biden got over 80 million votes lmfao.

Old Man Whirly!
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Yeah, and it was a hell of a lot more than just that. Not gonna post evidence of all the underhanded shit that went on again. Would take too god**** long and leftists here would just poo-poo it away as "being nothing" as they always do. Just let them keep stupidly believing that Biden got over 80 million votes lmfao. mmm Methneo, 4everalone durmask

eThneoLgrRnae
Originally posted by BackFire
No they didn't. They just made them move like 10 feet away.

Like they took all this to court and literally every court decision shit all over the idea of voter fraud taking place.

The evidence was so flimsy that even Trump's own lawyers, when arguing in court, couldn't say that fraud had occurred because it's illegal to lie in court like that.

It was all a big pony show, Trump's own lawyers knew it. Nah, they did. Just because u choose to not see the overwhelming evidence election was stolen will never change fact it was. wink

jaden_2.0
Originally posted by cdtm
Anti-vax experts get cited all the time. The left censor's them as "misinformation".


Yet they are still experts, they went through the same schooling as anyone else and did their research, and can back up their conclusions. They simply disagree with the left wing narrative.

There isn't a left wing and right narrative when it comes to facts. There are just facts.

Example.

Narrative: lots of the first people to get the covid vaccine died within months of getting the vaccine
Reality: The first people to receive the vaccine in most countries were 70+ years old. Statistically many of them would have died within that same time period whether covid existed or not. If your opinion is that they died BECAUSE of the vaccine then cite the research.

Narrative: Lots of people have died because of the covid vaccine
Alternative narrative: The covid vaccine is perfectly safe
Reality: Like any vaccine, some people will have an adverse reaction and some people will die from it. The vast majority of these died due to anaphylaxis and have a history of severe allergic reactions to other stimuli. Small numbers of people are unable to take vaccines due to certain medical conditions.

Narrative: The covid vaccine is dangerous and untested
Reality: modern medicines require far stricter safety protocols than ones developed historically. 2 of the most common drugs most widely used on the planet today (paracetamol and ibuprofen aka Tylenol and advil) would not pass modern the safety tests that the covid vaccines had to undergo and would not be allowed to market due to their side effects and overdose risk.

When citing experts you should also examine reasons for why they are voicing opinions contrary to the scientific literature. Ask certain questions. Were they involved in the trials and development of the treatment in question? What is their current funding and/or marketing situation? Are they involved in a company promoting a product alternative to the vaccines? Is their a conflict of interest? Have they published studies or conducted meta-analyses of other studies that supports their opinion?

Robtard
You're talking to people who invented and believe in "Alt-Facts".

jaden_2.0
Can't wait for the politicizing of the zombie apocalypse.

Robtard
"We have it totally under control. It's one zombie coming in from China. We have it under control. It' going to be just fine."

"You know, a lot of people think that zombies go away in April with the heat - as the heat comes in."

"Zombies are going to disappear. One day - it's like a miracle - Zombies will disappear."

Blakemore
How to determine if something's true? It's simple! First ask "is the person talking a Christian?" If the answer is yes, then it's true, if they do something that Jesus wouldn't do, they are lying retarded scum and drink blood.

eThneoLgrRnae
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
There isn't a left wing and right narrative when it comes to facts. There are just facts.

Example.

Narrative: lots of the first people to get the covid vaccine died within months of getting the vaccine
Reality: The first people to receive the vaccine in most countries were 70+ years old. Statistically many of them would have died within that same time period whether covid existed or not. If your opinion is that they died BECAUSE of the vaccine then cite the research.

Narrative: Lots of people have died because of the covid vaccine
Alternative narrative: The covid vaccine is perfectly safe
Reality: Like any vaccine, some people will have an adverse reaction and some people will die from it. The vast majority of these died due to anaphylaxis and have a history of severe allergic reactions to other stimuli. Small numbers of people are unable to take vaccines due to certain medical conditions.

Narrative: The covid vaccine is dangerous and untested
Reality: modern medicines require far stricter safety protocols than ones developed historically. 2 of the most common drugs most widely used on the planet today (paracetamol and ibuprofen aka Tylenol and advil) would not pass modern the safety tests that the covid vaccines had to undergo and would not be allowed to market due to their side effects and overdose risk.

When citing experts you should also examine reasons for why they are voicing opinions contrary to the scientific literature. Ask certain questions. Were they involved in the trials and development of the treatment in question? What is their current funding and/or marketing situation? Are they involved in a company promoting a product alternative to the vaccines? Is their a conflict of interest? Have they published studies or conducted meta-analyses of other studies that supports their opinion?


Ya know, you could've easily avoided typing out this lengthy long ass post by simply saying you like experts who say things you agree with but dislike any experts who say stuff you don't agree with.

Like most lefties, you feel the need to unnecessarily overcomplicate things because you wrongly think more complicated equates to being smarter... smh.

Blakemore
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Ya know, you could've easily avoided typing out this lengthy long ass post by simply saying you like experts who say things you agree with but dislike any experts who say stuff you don't agree with.

Like most lefties, you feel the need to unnecessarily overcomplicate things because you wrongly think more complicated equates to being smarter... smh. So simpletons are smart too? laughing out loud

eThneoLgrRnae
Poor wittle blakey.

Blakemore
What just happened here is jaden posted analyses you don't understand and your argument was "the people who I agree with are smart too! No need to complicate things with thought!"

eThneoLgrRnae
Go have another six-pack, blakey. laughing out loud

Insane Titan
Il trust natural immunity over the gene therapy any day as the 2.5 million study from Israel shows.

jaden_2.0
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Ya know, you could've easily avoided typing out this lengthy long ass post by simply saying you like experts who say things you agree with but dislike any experts who say stuff you don't agree with.

Like most lefties, you feel the need to unnecessarily overcomplicate things because you wrongly think more complicated equates to being smarter... smh.

That's you you're talking about. I read scientific papers on covid. You read screen caps of tweets.

eThneoLgrRnae
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Il trust natural immunity over the gene therapy any day as the 2.5 million study from Israel shows.

Yes, but you see leftists don't like studies that go against their BS narrative. They'll say that study is "fake" or "doesn't count" because it doesn't align with what their pathetic "god" Fauci says.

Insane Titan

snowdragon
Originally posted by Robtard
Except they can't backup there conclusions because their conclusions go against science and logic (eg "the vaccinated are dying more than the unvacciated of covid", "the vaccinated are shedding poisins into the water" etc.) and this is why they're told they're stupid.

Try again?

That isn't an accurate statement at all, if a doctor says I treated x with y and had positive results it's discounted until the govt approves it.

cdtm
Originally posted by jaden_2.0
There isn't a left wing and right narrative when it comes to facts. There are just facts.

Example.

Narrative: lots of the first people to get the covid vaccine died within months of getting the vaccine
Reality: The first people to receive the vaccine in most countries were 70+ years old. Statistically many of them would have died within that same time period whether covid existed or not. If your opinion is that they died BECAUSE of the vaccine then cite the research.

Narrative: Lots of people have died because of the covid vaccine
Alternative narrative: The covid vaccine is perfectly safe
Reality: Like any vaccine, some people will have an adverse reaction and some people will die from it. The vast majority of these died due to anaphylaxis and have a history of severe allergic reactions to other stimuli. Small numbers of people are unable to take vaccines due to certain medical conditions.

Narrative: The covid vaccine is dangerous and untested
Reality: modern medicines require far stricter safety protocols than ones developed historically. 2 of the most common drugs most widely used on the planet today (paracetamol and ibuprofen aka Tylenol and advil) would not pass modern the safety tests that the covid vaccines had to undergo and would not be allowed to market due to their side effects and overdose risk.

When citing experts you should also examine reasons for why they are voicing opinions contrary to the scientific literature. Ask certain questions. Were they involved in the trials and development of the treatment in question? What is their current funding and/or marketing situation? Are they involved in a company promoting a product alternative to the vaccines? Is their a conflict of interest? Have they published studies or conducted meta-analyses of other studies that supports their opinion?


What is your opinion of Robert Malone and Michael Yeadon? Have you read much on their opinions?



Here's one example of Michael Yeadon's concerns:


http://totalhealthmatters.co.uk/a-massive-fraud-has-been-perpetrated-by-dr-michael-yeadon-phd/


The fact is, I'm not qualified or knowledgeable enough to really look as his claims and say "No, that's bunk". His words on how anti-bodies work, or the need for boosters.

I only know he's a crank, because I'm told he's a crank. And at least some of his narrative's were addressed, but others were not, which is a red flag for me..

jaden_2.0
Originally posted by cdtm
What is your opinion of Robert Malone and Michael Yeadon? Have you read much on their opinions?



Here's one example of Michael Yeadon's concerns:


http://totalhealthmatters.co.uk/a-massive-fraud-has-been-perpetrated-by-dr-michael-yeadon-phd/


The fact is, I'm not qualified or knowledgeable enough to really look as his claims and say "No, that's bunk". His words on how anti-bodies work, or the need for boosters.

I only know he's a crank, because I'm told he's a crank. And at least some of his narrative's were addressed, but others were not, which is a red flag for me..

Beyond Yeadon's statements early in the pandemic that were proven wrong quite quickly I don't know much about him.

Malone fell into the category of the previous example. At the same time he was attempting to cast doubt on vaccines his company were conducting trials with a look to marketing alternative treatments. I'm sure it's no coincidence he stopped his criticism when his trials fell apart and he left the company.

Robtard

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