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who's the weakest comic character that could defeat david dunn (from the movies unbreakable and glass) in a straight up brawl?

-no exotic powers or weaponry, just strength alone.
-no weakness exploitation.
-this is david as of his final fight with the beast.

Bane definitely tries to win but explodes and dies

bane is probably too much.

^ I think David only two-pressed a total of 350lbs in the movie -- in one of the deleted scenes he two-pressed 500lbs. Neither of those figures are very impressive at all by comic standards, though. That said, David's strength can be scaled to the Beast(who physically flipped a police cruiser on its side, for starters), as David appeared to be stronger and more durable than him.


In terms of durability, we don't actually know what David's upper limits are(sans weakness exploitation, obvs.)

He has:
-Survived being ejected from a truck at high speed, completely unscathed.
-Survived a massive train derailment that killed everyone else on board, completely unscathed.
-And again, David's durability at least scales to the Beast(who only sustained superficial damage from close-range shotgun fire.)

Originally posted by Galan007
^ I think David only two-pressed a total of 350lbs in the movie -- in one of the deleted scenes he two-pressed 500lbs. Neither of those figures are very impressive at all by comic standards, though. That said, David's strength can be scaled to the Beast(who physically flipped a police cruiser on its side, for starters), as David appeared to be stronger and more durable than him.


In terms of durability, we don't actually know what David's upper limits are(sans weakness exploitation, obvs.)

He has:
-Survived being ejected from a truck at high speed, completely unscathed.
-Survived a massive train derailment that killed everyone else on board, completely unscathed.
-And again, David's durability at least scales to the Beast(who only sustained superficial damage from close-range shotgun fire.) good points.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ I think David only two-pressed a total of 350lbs in the movie -- in one of the deleted scenes he two-pressed 500lbs. Neither of those figures are very impressive at all by comic standards, though. That said, David's strength can be scaled to the Beast(who physically flipped a police cruiser on its side, for starters), as David appeared to be stronger and more durable than him.


In terms of durability, we don't actually know what David's upper limits are(sans weakness exploitation, obvs.)

He has:
-Survived being ejected from a truck at high speed, completely unscathed.
-Survived a massive train derailment that killed everyone else on board, completely unscathed.
-And again, David's durability at least scales to the Beast(who only sustained superficial damage from close-range shotgun fire.) Agreed.

He was literally unscathed, not a single scratch. But I suppose he did at least get knocked unconscious from the train derailment for a while? So someone who can bust a train should be able to knock him out, I guess.

Originally posted by ODG
Agreed.

He was literally unscathed, not a single scratch. But I suppose he did at least get knocked unconscious from the train derailment for a while? So someone who can bust a train should be able to knock him out, I guess. I'm really not sure, tbh.

David soaked the train derailment before he even knew that he had "powers" -- that was just his subconscious durability kicking in. And because David's stats increase in accordance with his mental state(ie. the more he believes in himself, the stronger he gets), that could have simply been the starting point for his overall durability. So by the time he fought the Beast, for example, it's possible that he wouldn't have even been KO'd by the derailment... But unfortunately we'll never know.

Either way, Unbreakable is a fantastic film, as is Split... Glass, not so much, but I still enjoyed it.

Man, I should really watch these movies. I e only seen the first one

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm really not sure, tbh.

David soaked the train derailment before he even knew that he had "powers" -- that was just his subconscious durability kicking in. And because David's stats increase in accordance with his mental state(ie. the more he believes in himself, the stronger he gets), that could have simply been the starting point for his overall durability. So by the time he fought the Beast, for example, it's possible that he wouldn't have even been KO'd by the derailment... But unfortunately we'll never know.

Either way, Unbreakable is a fantastic film, as is Split... Glass, not so much, but I still enjoyed it.


Glass ruined the entire trilogy.

Dunn in by a puddle.


And the flash photography triggering a personality shift was pure ass pull, Split never had a hint of such an exploitable weakness.


How did the anti meta organization even know everything they knew? What, did they have a crystal ball?


I guess Glass himself got one up on them, but that hardly tips the scales against all they've done.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Man, I should really watch these movies. I e only seen the first one


See the second, skip the third unless you enjoy seeing the characters from 1 and 2 easily countered by an omnipotent government organization designed to suppress metas.

^ Wasn't the resolution of Glass that they couldn't suppress the existence of metas????????????

Originally posted by Galan007
David soaked the train derailment before he even knew that he had "powers" -- that was just his subconscious durability kicking in. And because David's stats increase in accordance with his mental state(ie. the more he believes in himself, the stronger he gets), ???

^ The metal door scene towards the end of Glass(along with Elijah's dialogue) sort of showcases that, imo.

David starts off in total disbelief that he is anything special, and he initially causes no damage to the door at all... But the more he starts believing in himself/his abilities, the more damage he starts causing to the door, until he ultimately rams through it entirely.

^ I'm not sure this idea of Dunn's psychological influence over his stats will manifest itself meaningfully to make a difference during a fight.

Maybe against a hero that fiercely holds back to their own detriment? But even the most withholding of heroes typically overcomes that.

Tbh David started doubting himself because of the staff (anti meta Corp). In normal circumstances, or at his peak, he will be at full confidence in a forum fight.

Originally posted by ODG
^ I'm not sure this idea of Dunn's psychological influence over his stats will manifest itself meaningfully to make a difference during a fight.

Maybe against a hero that fiercely holds back to their own detriment? But even the most withholding of heroes typically overcomes that. Maybe, maybe not. Just mentioning a possibility.

Originally posted by h1a8
Tbh David started doubting himself because of the staff (anti meta Corp). In normal circumstances, or at his peak, he will be at full confidence in a forum fight. OP stipulates this is David as of his final confrontation with the Beast. So yeah, full confidence is a given.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Wasn't the resolution of Glass that they couldn't suppress the existence of metas????????????


Yeah, the ending was everything getting leaked in spite of their efforts to suppress.


The thing is, that won't necessarily stop them from kidnapping and murdering metas.. The public knows about the NSA spying on everyone, they still spy on everyone.



Plus there's the "Don't Look Up" scenerio, where a gullible public can be convinced to keep their head in the sand, even against experts.best efforts to alert them to a meteor heading towards Earth. Same basic concept could apply to anything, just convince the public the meta leaks are a massive hoax from a hacker group.

I mean I've never seen no movies. These are movies? David Dunn sounds like a used car salesman. 🤠

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
who's the weakest comic character that could defeat david dunn (from the movies unbreakable and glass) in a straight up brawl?

-no exotic powers or weaponry, just strength alone.
-no weakness exploitation.
-this is david as of his final fight with the beast.


Probably most street-level comics can, just because they're comics and likely have a lot more upper tier showings.

eg Wild Cat (Ted Grant) likely could take Dunn.

Originally posted by Robtard
Probably most street-level comics can, just because they're comics and likely have a lot more upper tier showings.

eg Wild Cat (Ted Grant) likely could take Dunn. You think Wildcat could take down a guy who was virtually unscathed from a train derailment that killed every single passenger except him? His weakness to water could hardly be considered common knowledge. So it's more likely that any victory would have to be straight up.

Why not, Cage has survived worse and been taken down by T'challa and Danny without using the Iron Fist.

^ In what comics did these fights occur?

Originally posted by ODG
^ In what comics did these fights occur?

No idea when the T'challa think happened, but you must have seen the scans. Pressure points dropped him. The fight with Danny was under Remender.

He actually did use an IF, but most of the damage was unamped strikes. If that doesn't work for you, I point to the Wrecking Crew, with the ball and chain guy getting the only Iron Fist and everyone else being KO'd without it.

Originally posted by cdtm
No idea when the T'challa think happened, but you must have seen the scans. Pressure points dropped him. The fight with Danny was under Remender. If I saw the Black Panther fight scans, I wouldn't be asking. And if you're referring to the Thunderbolts fight, you need to reread that fight.

Originally posted by ODG
If I saw the Black Panther fight scans, I wouldn't be asking. And if you're referring to the Thunderbolts fight, you need to reread that fight.

I only saw the scans. Regardless, Cage was clearly hurt by pressure points. Cage can walk away from a train wreck unscathed.

Originally posted by cdtm
I only saw the scans. Regardless, Cage was clearly hurt by pressure points. Cage can walk away from a train wreck unscathed. I consider your memory of these fights unreliable. If you find the scans or issue #s, let me know.

I mean Darksaint can confirm it. He probably has the scans.


I'd ask him but he hates me for no reason. Or maybe because he's Asian and they are racist against Pole's, I dunno.

Wildcat can crack Prison glass with a single punch. He has dodged bullets, and of course that time he fought the injustice society... alone.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Wildcat can crack Prison glass with a single punch. He has dodged bullets, and of course that time he fought the injustice society... alone.


Exactly, just like Cassandra Cain casually breaks bullet proof prison glass. Odds are Wildcat could bust a giant hole in the prison walls just like CC did too.

And I mean, how many times has Matt fought Tombstone or Namor? Lady Shiva, she knocks down Supergirl ffs. Ditto Cap and Spidey taking down Rhino and Hulk.


It might look like Pickle vs Baki, but elite streets would chip away at him at the worst, while he won't lay a finger on them.

Train wreck >>>>>>>> cracking prison glass

Originally posted by h1a8
Train wreck >>>>>>>> cracking prison glass depends, normal people regularly survive train wrecks, seat position, point of impact roll of carriage, what absorbs face before it gets to passenger etc... etc... too many variables.

Not to mention comics don't follow physics, a well worn example is the fact Hulk gets pierced by bullets yet shrugs off hammer strikes from Mjolnir.

Originally posted by cdtm
Not to mention comics don't follow physics, a well worn example is the fact Hulk gets pierced by bullets yet shrugs off hammer strikes from Mjolnir. and Thor gets pierced by bullets but takes impact from the Hulk.

And Superman tier characters survive black holes yet get bloodied by other Superman tier characters.


Remember when they used to just beat on each other uselessly because their blows couldn't overcome their toughness?

Originally posted by cdtm
And Superman tier characters survive black holes yet get bloodied by other Superman tier characters.


Remember when they used to just beat on each other uselessly because their blows couldn't overcome their toughness? still happens all the time.

He might have a good chance against Jimmy Olsen or Perry White.

Jimmy survived far worse from Supermans abuse. Maybe White, unless it's black White in which case Dunn is done.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
depends, normal people regularly survive train wrecks, seat position, point of impact roll of carriage, what absorbs face before it gets to passenger etc... etc... too many variables.

Dunn's train wreck >>>>>> cracking prison glass

Especially with 0 injuries.