The fastest flight speed?

carver9

Gladiator flew through Galaxies in the span of a second.

https://imgur.io/a/wTIah3O

At least 2 Galaxies based off the map of the Galaxies shown here...

https://i.imgur.com/LgFJ4ka.jpg

But let's just split this ft in half. Let's just say he flew past one Galaxy even though it says many. Our Galaxy to the next Galaxy is 662,000,000,000,000,000 km. Gladiator flew that in the blink of an eye, 100 milliseconds. Per calculations I've seen on comicvine, that puts him in the 100s of trillions.

GalacticStorm

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator flew through Galaxies in the span of a second.

https://imgur.io/a/wTIah3O

At least 2 Galaxies based off the map of the Galaxies shown here...

https://i.imgur.com/LgFJ4ka.jpg

But let's just split this ft in half. Let's just say he flew past one Galaxy even though it says many. Our Galaxy to the next Galaxy is 662,000,000,000,000,000 km. Gladiator flew that in the blink of an eye, 100 milliseconds. Per calculations I've seen on comicvine, that puts him in the 100s of trillions.

Thats a good one thumb up

DeadpoolXXX

Originally posted by Galan007
Azrael 1M's feat always comes to mind in threads like these:
https://i.ibb.co/3RwGVjj/1.jpg https://i.ibb.co/DwdBcqb/2.jpg

On average, Pluto and Mars are ~3.5 billion miles apart, and Azrael 1M covered that distance in a nanosecond. Iirc, that works out to something like trillionS of times c. this works out to about 19 trillion x the speed of light. and very quantifiable.

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator flew through Galaxies in the span of a second.

https://imgur.io/a/wTIah3O

At least 2 Galaxies based off the map of the Galaxies shown here...

https://i.imgur.com/LgFJ4ka.jpg

But let's just split this ft in half. Let's just say he flew past one Galaxy even though it says many. Our Galaxy to the next Galaxy is 662,000,000,000,000,000 km. Gladiator flew that in the blink of an eye, 100 milliseconds. Per calculations I've seen on comicvine, that puts him in the 100s of trillions. just implies that gladiator may be able to cross a galaxy in the blink of an eye. still is a great feat but kind of ambiguous since we don't actually know his starting point.

carver9

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
this works out to about 19 trillion x the speed of light. and very quantifiable.

just implies that gladiator may be able to cross a galaxy in the blink of an eye. still is a great feat but kind of ambiguous since we don't actually know his starting point.

He flew past Galaxies. I only used one Galaxy in my description. I low balled the ft. So the starting point for this is just one Galaxy away even though he crossed many.

h1a8

Originally posted by carver9
He flew past Galaxies. I only used one Galaxy in my description. I low balled the ft. So the starting point for this is just one Galaxy away even though he crossed many.

Accepted

Superman flew from the edge of the universe to Earth in 60 days.
The edge of the universe from Earth is more than 100 trillion lightyears.
The DC universe expanded to 60 trillion light years in half a second.
It's been billions of years since then. So the edge should be well beyond a quadrillion light years away.

Here are some facts
The expansion of the universe at its edge is speeding up Now.
At 50 trillion light years away, the speed of the expansion is thousands of times faster than light. So at 100 trillion light years away then the speed is double.
It's been billions of years since the big bang so the Universe is possibly billions of billions of billions of times that size.

So at just 200 trillion light years away, Superman beats Gladiator's feat.
Just divide 200 trillion light years by 60 days. You would get about 1 order of magnitude above what Gladiator did.

carver9

Originally posted by h1a8
Accepted

Superman flew from the edge of the universe to Earth in 60 days.
The edge of the universe from Earth is more than 100 trillion lightyears.
The DC universe expanded to 60 trillion light years in half a second.
It's been billions of years since then. So the edge should be well beyond a quadrillion light years away.

Here are some facts
The expansion of the universe at its edge is speeding up Now.
At 50 trillion light years away, the speed of the expansion is thousands of times faster than light. So at 100 trillion light years away then the speed is double.
It's been billions of years since the big bang so the Universe is possibly billions of billions of billions of times that size.

So at just 200 trillion light years away, Superman beats Gladiator's feat.
Just divide 200 trillion light years by 60 days. You would get about 1 order of magnitude above what Gladiator did.

Superman went through a portal. Great showing overall though. You should probably read the comic. That's why more respectable posters don't post the ft. Only person that use it is abhi because he close his eyes to the things that happened before the showing.

Astner

Originally posted by h1a8
The edge of the universe from Earth is more than 100 trillion lightyears.
It's kind of interesting to me that people still reference this quote from the Imperiex arc. This was long before Morrison's Multiverse Map was even a thing, the DC Multiverse has been revised a few times since then, so I'm not sure how reliable it is, let alone how applicable it is to the New 52.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman went through a portal.
He's not talking about that, he's talking about the New 52 feat, when Superman returned after he and Braniac fell into a black hole. Superman mentioned that he traveled from the "other side of the universe" (I can't remember if this was the exact phrasing) in sixty days. I don't think that it was meant to be taken literally, but some people like to think it was.

GalacticStorm

Yes Astner. Come through with the knowledge! wink

Astner

My issue with h1a8's comment is that it heavily relies on questionable interpretations and cross-referencing. If you look at the Azrael's and Gladiator's feats they're very clear-cut. It's all there in the scene, there's no wiggle room: this is what happened.

Diesldude

Originally posted by Astner
It's kind of interesting to me that people still reference this quote from the Imperiex arc. This was long before Morrison's Multiverse Map was even a thing, the DC Multiverse has been revised a few times since then, so I'm not sure how reliable it is, let alone how applicable it is to the New 52.

He's not talking about that, he's talking about the New 52 feat, when Superman returned after he and Braniac fell into a black hole. Superman mentioned that he traveled from the "other side of the universe" (I can't remember if this was the exact phrasing) in sixty days. I don't think that it was meant to be taken literally, but some people like to think it was.
Why not?

Astner

"The other side of the universe" is generally considered figurative expression because it makes presuppositions about the shape of the universe that we don't know are true.

Could it be true regardless? Sure, it's fiction. But I don't like to subscribe explanations that rely on unwarranted assumptions.

abhilegend

According to that map, Shiar galaxy is closer to Andromeda Galaxy. Superman himself can cross galaxies in a single panel.

https://i.postimg.cc/sMJyWvwS/image.jpg

Originally posted by Astner
"The other side of the universe" is generally considered figurative expression because it makes presuppositions about the shape of the universe that we don't know are true.

Could it be true regardless? Sure, it's fiction. But I don't like to subscribe explanations that rely on unwarranted assumptions.

There's nothing to indicate it was metaphorical or figurative.

abhilegend

Not the only time he has flown across the universe either.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9bf4ea1db736c426e2fe5caeeee5c20a-lq

h1a8

Originally posted by Astner
My issue with h1a8's comment is that it heavily relies on questionable interpretations and cross-referencing. If you look at the Azrael's and Gladiator's feats they're very clear-cut. It's all there in the scene, there's no wiggle room: this is what happened.

Questionable interpretation? How?
If that's true then so is Gladiator's. "Blink of an eye" is a figure of speech and can mean any amount of time from a human blink to several minutes. It goes both ways.

Tbh Azrael's feat is somewhat questionable too (I can be mistaken though). He could have been traveling for an unknown amount of time before he made the statement. We only see him AFTER he began his journey to Mars (somewhere between) and not at the start. Plus he states, " another nanosecond" which could mean other nanoseconds have already passed.

I'm not sure if any feat (unless it states speed or both distance and time) isn't somewhat questionable.

Galan007

Originally posted by h1a8
Tbh Azrael's feat is somewhat questionable too (I can be mistaken though). He could have been traveling for an unknown amount of time before he made the statement. We only see him AFTER he began his journey to Mars (somewhere between) and not at the start. Plus he states, " another nanosecond" which could mean other nanoseconds have already passed. If you look at the sequence...
First panel: Azrael is still on Pluto.
Second Panel: Azrael begins his "flight" to Mars.
Third panel: Azrael arrives on Mars.

IOW, the "another nanosecond" statement logically just describes his flight time between those two planets -- and since we know the distance between said worlds averages ~3.5 billion miles, that honestly gives us one of the more clear-cut flight/travel speed feats that you're likely to get in comics.

carver9

Originally posted by abhilegend
laughing out loud

According to that map, Shiar galaxy is closer to Andromeda Galaxy. Superman himself can cross galaxies in a single panel.

https://i.postimg.cc/sMJyWvwS/image.jpg

There's nothing to indicate it was metaphorical or figurative.

The scene literally states he crossed GALAXIES. I know you have a hard time with words, but GalaxIES mean more than one. I lowballed the ft and just used ONE Galaxy.

h1a8

Originally posted by Galan007
If you look at the sequence...
First panel: Azrael is still on Pluto.
Second Panel: Azrael begins his "flight" to Mars.
Third panel: Azrael arrives on Mars.

IOW, the "another nanosecond" statement logically just describes his flight time between those two planets -- and since we know the distance between said worlds averages ~3.5 billion miles, that honestly gives us one of the more clear-cut flight/travel speed feats that you're likely to get in comics.

But i don't see in the 2nd panel where he BEGINS his flight to Mars. Like I said, I can be wrong. It looks as if he already started his flight (he's in mid-flight) when he makes his statement. Now don't get me wrong, it could've taken 2 nanoseconds (which is still Hella impressive). I just cant see where he begins his flight from the art while making his statement. It seems he made his statement AFTER he took off.
Plus he says, "Nothing doing on Earth or Pluto" while in flight and before saying "oh well, another nanosecond...."
Usually in speech, we would say "another second, minute, etc" to mean some time has already elasped. The word "another" indicates additional.

Astner

Originally posted by abhilegend
There's nothing to indicate it was metaphorical or figurative.
There's nothing to indicate it was literal either.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not the only time he has flown across the universe either.
The repetition of a figurative phrase doesn't make it literal.

If little Abhi was a fast sprinter when he was a kid he might've been called "as fast as lightning," multiple times. But that doesn't imply that he was breaking world records.

Originally posted by h1a8
Questionable interpretation? How?
If that's true then so is Gladiator's. "Blink of an eye" is a figure of speech and can mean any amount of time from a human blink to several minutes. It goes both ways.
It's just not a throwaway statement. There's an in-depth explanation of that Gladiator has to cross this distance in the time it takers Heimdall to blink.

Originally posted by h1a8
Tbh Azrael's feat is somewhat questionable too (I can be mistaken though). He could have been traveling for an unknown amount of time before he made the statement. We only see him AFTER he began his journey to Mars (somewhere between) and not at the start. Plus he states, " another nanosecond" which could mean other nanoseconds have already passed.
I think Galan007 covered this, so I'm not going to repeat what he said.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not sure if any feat (unless it states speed or both distance and time) isn't somewhat questionable.
It's not about whether it you can question it, it's whether or not you can reasonably question it.

A rule of thumb I go by is that if it takes more effort to discredit a claim than it does to defend it then it's admissible. If the converse applies then it's inadmissible.

Originally posted by carver9
What's the issue number?
It's from Superman: Doomed (2015) #5 but rereading it I see no mention of the distance he flew.

I tried to look up where the argument came from, and I found this Comicvine thread where it seems to bring up a picture (the image is dead) of an interview or social media post where the author allegedly said that Superman flied from the end of the universe back to earth.

So this is a worse case than I thought it was.

carver9

That's the same comic where Brainiac sent him through a portal. Let me find it.

Thinkerer

These feats are ridiculous. With this kinda speed they should be untouchable.

Galan007

Originally posted by h1a8
But i don't see in the 2nd panel where he BEGINS his flight to Mars. Like I said, I can be wrong. It looks as if he already started his flight (he's in mid-flight) when he makes his statement. Now don't get me wrong, it could've taken 2 nanoseconds (which is still Hella impressive). I just cant see where he begins his flight from the art while making his statement. It seems he made his statement AFTER he took off.
Plus he says, "Nothing doing on Earth or Pluto" while in flight and before saying "oh well, another nanosecond...."
Usually in speech, we would say "another second, minute, etc" to mean some time has already elasped. The word "another" indicates additional. That's because Azrael 1M's wings are borderline metaphysical, thought-based super-tech. All he has to do is think of a destination, and the wings simply *zip* him there. He does not need to build up speed to do this.

You can see this function of the wings very clearly represented here:
https://ibb.co/rc10JZM
Azrael just disappears(ie. flies to) to the Sirius system and back, in the middle of Sister Dumas' monologue. He moves so fast that it almost comes off as teleportation, but as multiple panels showcase, he is flying: hence the reason why he has wings.

So as mentioned, the stated timeframe is logically just in reference to Azrael's flight time between planets. For context: Azrael was upset that there were no villains to fight on Pluto, but that was okay because in "another nanosecond" he'd already be on Mars to see if any criminals needed to be dealt with there.

ODG

Originally posted by Thinkerer
These feats are ridiculous. With this kinda speed they should be untouchable. If you didn't have these kind of speeds, then characters throughout the world, galaxy, universe would need plot devices to interact.

One thing I noticed when reading through old Avengers and Defenders titles was the incessant need to have a random plot device to get the characters to where they were going. Like... Doctor Strange would show up for one panel and the Avengers would thank him for teleporting them to the destination they wanted. This happened so much I was getting deja vu.

But getting characters to where they need to go is a logistical problem that authors had to deal with. I think they just got tired of it. So they started making stuff like Fantasticars, Quinjets and giving other characters teleportation abilities.

But if it's just one character and they can fly. Just give them travelling superspeed. Who cares if they break relativity? If it doesn't ruin the plot, so be it.

Astner

Originally posted by Thinkerer
These feats are ridiculous. With this kinda speed they should be untouchable.
I'm not a high-end absolutist. I wouldn't argue that Gladiator is a trillion times faster than Superman (and that a fight between them would play out like a fight between the Flash and a bank robber) just because Gladiator has this one feat and Superman doesn't have anything that's directly comparable.

To me, consistency is more important, and we do occasionally see Gladiator struggle with characters that are not particularly fast more often than we get feats like these.

While I do consider them roughly equal I would probably put my money on Superman over Gladiator because Gladiator's power varies with his confidence whereas Superman's powers are permanent.

That said, if Gladiator frequently had feats like this and no real anti-feats then I'd think of him as a souped-up Superman.

DeadpoolXXX

Originally posted by Galan007
You can see this function of the wings very clearly represented here:
https://ibb.co/rc10JZM
Azrael just disappears(ie. flies to) to the Sirius system and back, in the middle of Sister Dumas' monologue. He moves so fast that it almost comes off as teleportation, but as multiple panels showcase, he is flying: hence the reason why he has wings. surprised you didnt post this feat for him first.

the sirius system is 8.6 light years from earth (so a 17 light year round trip) and azrael flew that in the time it took the woman to say his name.

ODG

^ "Speed of thought" strikes again.

Galan007

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
surprised you didnt post this feat for him first.

the sirius system is 8.6 light years from earth (so a 17 light year round trip) and azrael flew that in the time it took the woman to say his name. When you're already dealing with a character who can fly at trillions of times the speed of light, what's it really matter? /shrug

But yes, it is also a great speed feat.

abhilegend

Originally posted by carver9
The scene literally states he crossed GALAXIES. I know you have a hard time with words, but GalaxIES mean more than one. I lowballed the ft and just used ONE Galaxy.
Yes, galaxies can mean two galaxies as well which is the distance between Asgard and Shiar.

Why are you so stupid?

abhilegend

Originally posted by Astner
There's nothing to indicate it was literal either.

Yes, that's what the comic says and the writer confirmed it too.

You're arguing on bad faith.

Of course it does.

Again, inserting your own bias into the comics, literal bad faith argument.

They actually show Superman Crossing the galaxies in Superman up in the sky.

Which galaxy did Gladiator cross? By your logic, it is not literal but just figurative because you can't show the galaxies he crossed.

Like I said, bad faith arguments are just that.

It was repeatedly stated that he left Brainiac at the end of the universe.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e29f6434e791ecb01eda50a7541508b1-lq

Here's the interview of Greg Pak where he confirms Superman was at the end of the universe.

https://www.cbr.com/pak-takes-action-comics-to-horrorville-discusses-supermans-joker/

I can question Gladiator's feat in the same way, show me the galaxies Gladiator crossed and the time period of blink of an eye.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Astner
I'm not a high-end absolutist. I wouldn't argue that Gladiator is a trillion times faster than Superman (and that a fight between them would play out like a fight between the Flash and a bank robber) just because Gladiator has this one feat and Superman doesn't have anything that's directly comparable.

To me, consistency is more important, and we do occasionally see Gladiator struggle with characters that are not particularly fast more often than we get feats like these.

While I do consider them roughly equal I would probably put my money on Superman over Gladiator because Gladiator's power varies with his confidence whereas Superman's powers are permanent.

That said, if Gladiator frequently had feats like this and no real anti-feats then I'd think of him as a souped-up Superman.
laughing out loud

abhilegend

https://i.imgur.com/2V2BcVe.jpeg

The comics repeatedly state that Superman was at the end of the universe, writer confirmed it but Astner knows otherwise lol.

abhilegend

Eradicator flying from the literal edge of the universe to Earth in moments is pretty much as good as possible other than pre crisis Superman.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/16777506_fortressspeed_1.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/16777507_fortressspeed_2.jpg

abhilegend

Supergirl and Comet racing to the end of the universe and into Overvoid.

https://i.postimg.cc/RqFhbqnw/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/8jf5N345/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/4Yzxh9rR/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/3yYJjwT4/image.jpg

abhilegend

Originally posted by abhilegend
Supergirl and Comet racing to the end of the universe and into Overvoid.

https://i.postimg.cc/RqFhbqnw/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/8jf5N345/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/4Yzxh9rR/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/3yYJjwT4/image.jpg
If I was a silver surfer fan, I'd use this to argue that Surfer can react at the same speed because he's flying fast on the board and she's flying fast on a horse.

Also end of the universe, that pesky statement again.

tkitna

Figured this thread would just be a lot of bickering about how much better Superman is than anybody else and it didnt disappoint.

abhilegend

Originally posted by tkitna
Figured this thread would just be a lot of bickering about how much better Superman is than anybody else and it didnt disappoint.
laughing out loud

As opposed to what, dickriding Surfer and Gladiator like in the good old days?

playa1258

Superman remains the lifeblood of KMC

carver9

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, galaxies can mean two galaxies as well which is the distance between Asgard and Shiar.

Why are you so stupid?

So we agree that he started at one Galaxy, blitzed through another Galaxy, and made it to Asgard which is created in another Galaxy?

abhilegend

Originally posted by carver9
So we agree that he started at one Galaxy, blitzed through another Galaxy, and made it to Asgard which is created in another Galaxy?
Which galaxy is between Shiar and Milky Way galaxy which he crossed carver?

tkitna

All of them are fast. Who knows who the fastest is and why does it matter?

Surfer is so fast that he warps time and space. Here he is flying so fast that galaxies go by in a blur.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8719b4456df8dfff32842e9d2cac5aa4-lq

tkitna

DSentry flew fast enough to bend space and time too. So fast that Thor couldnt even collect himself to fight back.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0dc0c0146ad45c2e221d1d5355eb7f29-lq

abhilegend

Originally posted by tkitna
All of them are fast. Who knows who the fastest is and why does it matter?

Surfer is so fast that he warps time and space. Here he is flying so fast that galaxies go by in a blur.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8719b4456df8dfff32842e9d2cac5aa4-lq
He's doing it in hyperspace. If we use that kind of thing, GLs crossed the universe (from the center of the universe to the source wall in moments using transluminal space).

https://i.postimg.cc/bsjFzYvs/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/JygPSMg7/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/vxwXHXbp/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/CzYJ3vv8/image.jpg

Old Man Whirly!

The truth is this, if a writer writes Superman, Surfer or Thor etc, flying across the multiverse in a two page spread this month, we'll all accept it. It's no more ridiculous than a book of infinite pages or bringing Quasimodo to life.

abhilegend

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
The truth is this, if a writer writes Superman, Surfer or Thor etc, flying across the multiverse in a two page spread this month, we'll all accept it. It's no more ridiculous than a book of infinite pages or bringing Quasimodo to life.
Surfer or Thor will be written as slower than Superman in pretty much any book. It's basically what it is.

Old Man Whirly!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer or Thor will be written as slower than Superman in pretty much any book. It's basically what it is. True Abhi, until that book when a writer decides they aren't. I gave up on continuity long ago. Especially cross company.

Astner

Abhi, there are a number of issues with your argument. Not only do you rely on an outdated cosmology for DC, literal interpretations of phrases that may well be figurative, but you also ignore the fact that Superman admitted to flying through multiple black holes on his way back.

https://i.imgur.com/meKKzP5.jpg

Superman: Doomed (2015) #5

Why does this matter? Because entering a black hole was what sent him back to the "end of the universe" in the first place, effectively making them portals in this story. So he crossed this distance in sixty days with the help of portals.

carver9

I told you he went through holes to get there. Brainiac was the first to transport him.

carver9

Originally posted by abhilegend
Which galaxy is between Shiar and Milky Way galaxy which he crossed carver?

Which Galaxy did he start at?

Astner

It's so stupid because "the other side of the universe," and "at the edge of the universe" are textbook examples of hyperbole.

https://i.imgur.com/11Th0af.png

With the Gladiator feat we're downplaying it as much as we can. It says "galaxies," and we assume it's two, because that's the smallest amount we can assume without infringing on the grammatical structure of the sentence.

tkitna

Who cares first of all? They are all fast. Like the surfer, ok so he's so fast he bends time and reality and maybe he travels in hyperspace. Still pretty fast. Lanterns and others do it. Cool. I mean, lets take the Runner for example -

He once ascended beyond omnipresence whilst running through an infinite loop of the omniverse created by Moondragon with the mind stone.

Who knows how fast that is? Who cares? Its pretty damn fast.

abhilegend

Originally posted by carver9
I told you he went through holes to get there. Brainiac was the first to transport him.
Did he now? Originally posted by carver9
Which Galaxy did he start at?
Why would he go to a distant galaxy, carvster? Is he as stupid as you?

abhilegend

Originally posted by Astner
It's so stupid because "the other side of the universe," and "at the edge of the universe" are textbook examples of hyperbole.

https://i.imgur.com/11Th0af.png

With the Gladiator feat we're downplaying it as much as we can. It says "galaxies," and we assume it's two, because that's the smallest amount we can assume without infringing on the grammatical structure of the sentence.
We have seen Supergirl fly at the end of the universe and in the overvoid, we have seen Eradicator fly from the edge of the universe to Earth, we have seen GL corps fly to the end of the universe but it's Superman, so your stupidity can't accept the fact that this isn't hyperbolic and the writer himself confirmed it.

https://i.imgur.com/2V2BcVe.jpeg

No mention of black holes as portals either, he simply flew for 60 days.

Now what, idiot?

Old Man Whirly!

Originally posted by tkitna
Who cares first of all? They are all fast. Like the surfer, ok so he's so fast he bends time and reality and maybe he travels in hyperspace. Still pretty fast. Lanterns and others do it. Cool. I mean, lets take the Runner for example -

He once ascended beyond omnipresence whilst running through an infinite loop of the omniverse created by Moondragon with the mind stone.

Who knows how fast that is? Who cares? Its pretty damn fast. thumb up

Agreed.

qwertyuiop1998

Originally posted by abhilegend

Not all black holes are the same. I'd like you to prove those black holes he entered were a portal.
Plus....That is assuming Superman knew which black holes would take him close to Earth instead of taking him further.

h1a8

Originally posted by Astner
Abhi, there are a number of issues with your argument. Not only do you rely on an outdated cosmology for DC, literal interpretations of phrases that may well be figurative, but you also ignore the fact that Superman admitted to flying through multiple black holes on his way back.

https://i.imgur.com/meKKzP5.jpg

Superman: Doomed (2015) #5

Why does this matter? Because entering a black hole was what sent him back to the "end of the universe" in the first place, effectively making them portals in this story. So he crossed this distance in sixty days with the help of portals.

Dude stop with the bias arguments. It's clear that you are marvel bias just like Carver.
It's obvious because you are arguing blindly and not objectively.

Facts
1. Superman flew through black holes to clean his system out.
There was no mention of him flying through black holes to get closer to Earth.

2. Creating a plot is called making shit up. If the writer didn't elude to something then it simply doesn't exist. This is not real life events that actually happened. Superman doesn't exist and never has. It's a made up story. It's all about writer's intent. And not making shit up.

carver9

Him even flying through Black Holes takes away from the ft. Also, he lost his memory during his flight their during his fight with Brainiac who also sent him through a portal. The ft isn't usable.

abhilegend

h1a8

Originally posted by carver9
Him even flying through Black Holes takes away from the ft. Also, he lost his memory during his flight their during his fight with Brainiac who also sent him through a portal. The ft isn't usable.

Being cleansed by a black hole has no bearing on distance and time Superman traveled to get back. Superman stated how long it took him to get back. What does that have to do with remembering the fight?

I have no clue to what you are talking about.

carver9

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it is, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is unusable.

I still stand by this...

Originally posted by carver9
Here is where he was transported, lol...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rD0p8VwSI6Y/VRxNhjewQEI/AAAAAAAJkJs/kwiqNnT_08w/s1600/p8_23%2Bcopy.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kFAaDlpvJKY/VRxNh71MVNI/AAAAAAAJkJw/3yp4U4492Ok/s1600/p8_24%2Bcopy.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SpWUqjb0dzs/VRxNihoWbMI/AAAAAAAJkKE/su1PnRcd-ik/s1600/p8_25%2Bcopy.jpg

The next page, this happens...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HaKoKjTHeuo/VRxNipUYQLI/AAAAAAAJkJ8/WDegmrkk_Jw/s1600/p8_26%2Bcopy.jpg

Lol... it isn't a flight ft.

abhilegend

Originally posted by carver9
I still stand by this...
He was outside time and space and then deposited at the end of the universe.

Its not that hard to understand, if you are not an idiot that is.

abhilegend

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was the end of the universe. Don't leave the actual part of the scene.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8ZO5i89CK5Y/VkRYV38IElI/AAAAAAAAXI8/LMAkkxendFk/s1600-Ic42/002.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-H_qv7HEAghM/VkRYYklxXEI/AAAAAAAAXI8/rcO9gjlr_Bo/s1600-Ic42/004.jpg

He was outside time and space and ejected to the edge of the universe from where he traveled for sixty days to the earth.
Alright, the writer (Greg Pak) is also shady then, huh?

Because that scene never even suggests where Superman was ejected (except for the fact that it was outside time and space) and Pak confirmed it again.

https://i.imgur.com/dNtDAWu.jpg

Carter is a lying piece of shit. Just like you so I'm not surprised you gobbled it up like you do everyday.

Diesldude

carver9

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was outside time and space and then deposited at the end of the universe.

Its not that hard to understand, if you are not an idiot that is.

ABHI, they are the exact same scene. Here are the scans you all used...

https://ibb.co/X8t5Gy5
https://ibb.co/hdLZnh0

Now look at the scan I posted. Superman was transported right in front of earth. Only reason he THOUGHT he crossed a universe is due to Brainiac admitting he took his memories away.

carver9

Here, Brainiac wipes his mind clean and sends him through the portal...

https://ibb.co/6byCpgk

Superman forgot everything and THOUGHT he flew an entire universe away, when he didn't.

Diesldude

Originally posted by abhilegend
https://i.imgur.com/2V2BcVe.jpeg

The comics repeatedly state that Superman was at the end of the universe, writer confirmed it but Astner knows otherwise lol. thumb up

abhilegend

Originally posted by carver9
ABHI, they are the exact same scene. Here are the scans you all used...

https://ibb.co/X8t5Gy5
https://ibb.co/hdLZnh0

Now look at the scan I posted. Superman was transported right in front of earth. Only reason he THOUGHT he crossed a universe is due to Brainiac admitting he took his memories away. Originally posted by carver9
Here, Brainiac wipes his mind clean and sends him through the portal...

https://ibb.co/6byCpgk

Superman forgot everything and THOUGHT he flew an entire universe away, when he didn't.
Did it also mindwipe Greg Pak into believing Superman was at the end of the universe and flying for sixty days?

Also when Superman was out of time and space, where did he spent those 60 days?

How are you so stupid?

h1a8

Flight speed is irrelevant to a fight.
Max acceleration in conjunction to perception speed and mobility is everything.

A character will not move faster than what they can respond to. A character that can achieve FTL speed in space will not be able to maneuver in tight spaces (liking maneuvering through a building at FTL speed if they don't have FTL perceptions and the ability to accelerate at FTL within a few feet of distance.

So perception speed and acceleration are the only deciding factors of battle speed. Travel speed in itself is not a factor.