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A self created version of Marvel's Illuminati, using MCU characters. A representative for the Avengers, the mystical, the Atlanteans, the Inhumans, Wakanda, space affairs and the Eternals.

Iron Man (Bleeding Edge)
Dr. Strange
Namor
Black Bolt
Black Panther
Captain Marvel
Ikaris

vs

Superman

Who wins?

That was a different line-up though.

WTF are Iron Man and Black Panther gonna do to Superman?

Originally posted by Impediment
WTF are Iron Man and Black Panther gonna do to Superman?

Yeah, some of these characters are meaningless. Strange and Black Bolt should suffice. Just throwing that out there before somebody gives Superman the instant win via speedblitz.

Black Bolt isn't taking out Superman.

Strange potentially could, but he's made of jello.

Originally posted by Impediment
WTF are Iron Man and Black Panther gonna do to Superman?

Every fight needs bait. Besides,
Vibranium might still cut Supes.
In a group, even weaker member
may play a vital role.

Originally posted by Robtard
Black Bolt isn't taking out Superman.

Strange potentially could, but he's made of jello.

You don't think his voice could screw up his equilibrium for others to mount an offensive? I'm not saying he could take him out by himself, but he would be a valuable part in the confrontation.

Originally posted by tkitna
You don't think his voice could screw up his equilibrium for others to mount an offensive? I'm not saying he could take him out by himself, but he would be a valuable part in the confrontation.

I thought you meant BB's voice would destroy Superman. As far as messing SM up some, very possible.

Dr. Strange along with Superman not starting the fight in Metroman mode would be the key.

Dr. Strange would need a little prep because Superman is way too fast for him.

I'm open to the team winning provided someone can give me a plausible scenario (All the others somehow distract SM (explain how) long enough for Dr. Strange to do...)

He's not beating Captain marvel, Icarus, Namor, and Strange at the same time

A debate can be made the Captain marvel can stale mate him at least

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
He's not beating Captain marvel, Icarus, Namor, and Strange at the same time

A debate can be made the Captain marvel can stale mate him at least

If he enters the fight in Metroman mode then he wipes them out without being touched.

Barring that, these characters (besides Strange maybe) can even harm SM significantly.

Superman would stomp the shit out of CM.
Far stronger, faster, more durable,etc

Namor IM and BP are fodder here

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
He's not beating Captain marvel, Icarus, Namor, and Strange at the same time

A debate can be made the Captain marvel can stale mate him at least Why not? He's so much faster than everyone else on the team that they're literally statues, and DCEU Superman uses his speed in combat more than almost any character that isn't a pure speedster.

Iron Man (Bleeding Edge) - distraction for Clark.

Dr. Strange - can trap Supes in the mirror dimension, turn back time on him, pull some of the stuff he did against Thanos to temporarily incapacitate Supes, but is KO'ed if Superman gets a hold of him even briefly.

Namor - Could help (maybe) by teaming up on Supes, but Clark no-sold Steppenwolf's axe to his shoulder, so I doubt the vibranium spear or anything Namor can do would even phase Clark.

Black Bolt - would have to have Supes standing in front of him and shout at him, which could mess up Clark, but Clark could just speedblitz him.

Black Panther - distraction for Clark.

Captain Marvel - biggest question mark. She can restart a sun, fly through black holes, and is one of two characters in Endgame, the other being Scarlet Witch, that had Thanos dead to rights by themselves. On other hand, Clark would've outright destroyed the Kree guard in CM1 and Dar-Benn from the Marvels with utter ease and would've beaten Thanos sooner or later. Overall superior feats for CM vs. massively better combat speed and great physicals in his own right for Clark.

Ikaris - diet Superman helps out a ton, as he went up against a speedster with legit combat fighting techniques in Makkari. How do the deviants match up against other MCU heroes though? They only fought the Eternals, and gave them, including Ikaris, all they wanted and more, killing Ajak and nearly killing Thena and Ikaris.

If Strange can launch an attack at Supes to hold him still long enough for CM and Ikaris to go to work, I give it to team MCU, but very few hero movie characters have the combination of powerset and combat capability that DCEU Clark has, especially taking into account that Supergirl, Keaton Batman, and two Flashes couldn't beat Zod and co. with near-infinite tries, whereas Clark took them down in one go.

Superman decimates this team.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
He's not beating Captain marvel, Icarus, Namor, and Strange at the same time

A debate can be made the Captain marvel can stale mate him at least What the heck? None of these folks can even see Superman move. All of them are as slow as heck. And Superman is also much stronger than them. It's a non fight.
Without time stone Strange has no shot. Even with time stone he has no time.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
What the heck? None of these folks can even see Superman move. All of them are as slow as heck. And Superman is also much stronger than them. It's a non fight.
Without time stone Strange has no shot. Even with time stone he has no time.

Not debating Superman is faster than everybody here, but Ikarus did snag Makkari by the throat. I just don't think it's an instant win for Supes.

Originally posted by tkitna
Not debating Superman is faster than everybody here, but Ikarus did snag Makkari by the throat. I just don't think it's an instant win for Supes.
After a thousand of hits and dodging all his attacks.

How fast was Makkari when approaching Ikaris on the throat grab?
Bullet speed? All of her movements in battle appears bullet speed approximately.

WW is beyond Bullets speed so she should be able to do the same thing.

And don't argue that Ikaris was fast enough to grab her throat before she can respond. All speedsters (Spidey, flash, etc) have gotten tagged by non speedsters in fiction.
Doesn't make the non speedster anywhere close in speed.

Ikaris is faster than a human yes but is definitely equal or under bullet speed in combat.

Originally posted by tkitna
Not debating Superman is faster than everybody here, but Ikarus did snag Makkari by the throat. I just don't think it's an instant win for Supes. That's exactly one of the reasons it's gonna be an instawin. Makkari showed that Ikaris wasn't that fast at all. Ikaris is going to be as completely still as a lake in this fight.

I don't think Ikaris is going to be thinking about grabbing after a punch from Supes more like grasping for breath.

Clark no-sold Steppenwolf's axe, I'm hard-pressed to think Ikaris could even hurt him or at least hit him long enough to make any difference but I'm open to being convinced though.

Originally posted by h1a8
After a thousand of hits and dodging all his attacks.

How fast was Makkari when approaching Ikaris on the throat grab?
Bullet speed? All of her movements in battle appears bullet speed approximately.

WW is beyond Bullets speed so she should be able to do the same thing.

And don't argue that Ikaris was fast enough to grab her throat before she can respond. All speedsters (Spidey, flash, etc) have gotten tagged by non speedsters in fiction.
Doesn't make the non speedster anywhere close in speed.

Ikaris is faster than a human yes but is definitely equal or under bullet speed in combat.

I have no idea how fast she was going when he grabbed her. She was invisible to the eye at the time.

Also, you pretty much destroyed your own argument by saying that all speedsters have gotten tagged by non speedsters. Your right. Superman would be no different.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
That's exactly one of the reasons it's gonna be an instawin. Makkari showed that Ikaris wasn't that fast at all. Ikaris is going to be as completely still as a lake in this fight.

I don't think Ikaris is going to be thinking about grabbing after a punch from Supes more like grasping for breath.

Clark no-sold Steppenwolf's axe, I'm hard-pressed to think Ikaris could even hurt him or at least hit him long enough to make any difference but I'm open to being convinced though.

I agree that Makkari was working him for awhile, but he did grab her eventually. He is just a distraction anyways as he has no way of winning, but he's tough enough to withstand some hits as are some of the others. All of the characters here are just biding time for Strange anyways.

Can Superman win? Of course. Can the other team. Its possible. I just don't believe it would be an instant win for Supes no matter what.

Originally posted by tkitna
I agree that Makkari was working him for awhile, but he did grab her eventually. He is just a distraction anyways as he has no way of winning, but he's tough enough to withstand some hits as are some of the others. All of the characters here are just biding time for Strange anyways.

Can Superman win? Of course. Can the other team. Its possible. I just don't believe it would be an instant win for Supes no matter what. Here is what I don't get from you , Can you be a distraction when you're frozen?

Lemme take you back to the Clark vs JLA fight, who was the distraction? , was it Arthur or Cyborg or WW? He statued all of them and that was a Superman that wasn't even actively attacking them!
The only true distraction was Flash and He's a Speedster! And while Supes was "Distracted" none of the others were even aware, even WW with superspeed of her own, you know why? They were too busy being frozen.

Now you're telling me that while Supes blitzes Ikaris , Dr Strange with human reaction is going to have the time to cook up a spell that will oneshot Supes or something of the sort?

Quick question are we talking about the same Strange that fought gargantos lol?

Speed wins.

Uhuh.

But the main problem is that Clark is not a good fighter, and he doesn't stay in Metro man mode.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
But the main problem is that Clark is not a good fighter, and he doesn't stay in Metro man mode.

Does he need to, though? If we allow that he can statue them all, a mere finger flick would KO Strange, for example.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
Here is what I don't get from you , Can you be a distraction when you're frozen?

Lemme take you back to the Clark vs JLA fight, who was the distraction? , was it Arthur or Cyborg or WW? He statued all of them and that was a Superman that wasn't even actively attacking them!
The only true distraction was Flash and He's a Speedster! And while Supes was "Distracted" none of the others were even aware, even WW with superspeed of her own, you know why? They were too busy being frozen.

Now you're telling me that while Supes blitzes Ikaris , Dr Strange with human reaction is going to have the time to cook up a spell that will oneshot Supes or something of the sort?

Quick question are we talking about the same Strange that fought gargantos lol?

A distraction is a character that can't be one shotted and will return to the battle (Ikarus) while others with range attacks take the offensive (Black Bolt, Strange).

I've never seen one speedster in a comic based movie not get tagged eventually. Again, Superman would be no different.

Originally posted by Thinkerer
A self created version of Marvel's Illuminati, using MCU characters. A representative for the Avengers, the mystical, the Atlanteans, the Inhumans, Wakanda, space affairs and the Eternals.

Iron Man (Bleeding Edge)
Dr. Strange
Namor
Black Bolt
Black Panther
Captain Marvel
Ikaris

vs

Superman

Who wins?

First nanosecond of the fight, Superman speeds and hits each of these guys in turn.

Iron Man: takes it
Dr Strange: dies
Namor: dies
Black Bolt: lmao https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11122/111220339/6338914-7915783353-giphy.gif

Yes, that is Black Bolt, vs some cops and their batons.
Panther: dies
Marvel: takes it
Ikaris: Potentially takes it?

So after the first nanosecond, the field is reduced to Iron Man, Captain Marvel and potentially Ikaris.

Second nanosecond: he repeats the punching. This goes on for about....1,000 nanoseconds? until the trio realise they're getting punched apart. Remember, one needs 1 MILLION nanoseconds, to equal 1 millisecond, so I am actually being very generous to Tony et al for their reactions. Or we can scale Superman down, and say he reacts in the region of microseconds? That would still give him the ability to be 1,000s of times faster.

Similar to this, really:
https://imgur.com/VOUQXs0

Only, I don't think Iron Man et al will have the chance to swing punches/fire missiles etc.

^ Isnt Black Bolts suit supposed to use his vocal energy in different ways like strength, speed, flight e.t.c.

Just saying because he wasnt wearing the suit against those cops and it did seem like he could fly with it on in Doctor Strange MoM.

Anyway, I don't really care, but we all need to remember the Inhumans TV show lol.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Isnt Black Bolts suit supposed to use his vocal energy in different ways like strength, speed, flight e.t.c.

Just saying because he wasnt wearing the suit against those cops and it did seem like he could fly with it on in Doctor Strange MoM.

Not quite true, witness this truly titanic display of super strength!!

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11122/111220339/6338917-9973554173-giphy.gif

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Anyway, I don't really care, but we all need to remember the Inhumans TV show lol.


Lol I actually did torture myself through the whole thing. But Anson Mount was good in the role. I mean, he did the best he could.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not quite true, witness this truly titanic display of super strength!!

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11122/111220339/6338917-9973554173-giphy.gif




Nah he just knows his pressure points

ARE YOU FOR REAL RIGHT NOW.

DO YOU WISH MORE MISERY UPON YOUR HOUSE???

Witness the Silent King's inhuman strength, as he bends an iron bar pipe! What can Superman do against such reckless hate????

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11122/111220339/6338919-1328024051-giphy.gif

How dare you guys ruin my breakfast with reminders of that travesty of a TV show. Thanks. Lol

True.

How many punches from Superman can he take before going down? 2? 3? 10?

^ Who knows, but probably in that range of 2/3 to 10.