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Even the PF can't atomize and rebuild the infinite Multiverse with ease. Several times.

Atom crushes. He's more on an imp's level, maybe above.

Originally posted by Infinaut616
Even the PF can't atomize and rebuild the infinite Multiverse with ease. Several times.

Atom crushes. He's more on an imp's level, maybe above.

Thats not true at all.

Phoenix lore has been expanded upon in recent years. The White Hot Room has been confirmed as the Phoenix's true form, with the firebird a manifestation that it creates and acts through.

The WHR has been confirmed on panel to be the starting point of Marvel creativity. Everything that is a created thing within Marvel is facilitated by the WHR. It is the starting point of creativity and it decides what can be made.

So all realities, all entities of Marvel creation derive from the Phoenix in its capacity as TOAAs creation tool.

But then they had Legion and Hope headshotting the Phoenix..... comic writers, man.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats not true at all.

Phoenix lore has been expanded upon in recent years. The White Hot Room has been confirmed as the Phoenix's true form, with the firebird a manifestation that it creates and acts through.

The WHR has been confirmed on panel to be the starting point of Marvel creativity. Everything that is a created thing within Marvel is facilitated by the WHR. It is the starting point of creativity and it decides what can be made.

So all realities, all entities of Marvel creation derive from the Phoenix in its capacity as TOAAs creation tool.
That's some serious cocaine you had.

Captain Atom stomps

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But then they had Legion and Hope headshotting the Phoenix..... comic writers, man.

Hope was a literal shard of the Phoenix as revealed at the end of Xmen Forever and Legion just about the most powerful mutant about. So its hardly a low showing. It didn't kill the Phoenix, just helped reboot it into a new incarnation as per Rachel's plan.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's some serious cocaine you had.

Nah. Just the latest in explicitly stated Marvel canon.

Originally posted by MrMind
Captain Atom stomps

Could never.

With this expansion on Lore the full Phoenix Force is literally TOAAs creation arm. Lets not conflate the full Phoenix Force/White Hot Room with firebird manifestations. It'd be the equivalent of DCs Source. Is Captain Atom stomping the Source?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Could never.

With this expansion on Lore the full Phoenix Force is literally TOAAs creation arm. Lets not conflate the full Phoenix Force/White Hot Room with firebird manifestations. It'd be the equivalent of DCs Source. Is Captain Atom stomping the Source?

He wiped out the infinite Multiverse with a snap. Seemed that there was nothing left, and brought it all back together with a snap

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Could never.

With this expansion on Lore the full Phoenix Force is literally TOAAs creation arm. Lets not conflate the full Phoenix Force/White Hot Room with firebird manifestations. It'd be the equivalent of DCs Source. Is Captain Atom stomping the Source?

1. toaa was proven to be pathetic back stalin in thanos infinity ending, he couldn't fix balance in one reality, he admitted he is only omnipotent in a perfect system.
in no way is he equivalent to the presence. for starter marvel cosmology is much smaller than dc.

2. comparing phoenix force to the source is even more retarded. the source under dematteis/morrison/snyder have been confirmed to be one and the same with presence/the overvoid. phoenix force would be a insignificant speck.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
He wiped out the infinite Multiverse with a snap. Seemed that there was nothing left, and brought it all back together with a snap

he wiped out and recreate the infinite multiverse again and again and again and again and again, to put it more precisely.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
He wiped out the infinite Multiverse with a snap. Seemed that there was nothing left, and brought it all back together with a snap

Great feat. Which specific comic/issue did this take place in?

Still doesn't beat being the starting point of Marvel creativity. Literally the creation arm of TOAA that every being, every reality every iota of energy and matter in Marvel derives from. Despite being the power behind the multiverse, all it's power isn't summed up in the multiverse with its true form the WHR remaining an infinite wellspring of creativity

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Great feat. Which specific comic/issue did this take place in?

Still doesn't beat being the starting point of Marvel creativity. Literally the creation arm of TOAA that every being, every reality every iota of energy and matter in Marvel derives from. Despite being the power behind the multiverse, all it's power isn't summed up in the multiverse with its true form the WHR remaining an infinite wellspring of creativity

It's in the latest Jenny Sparks mini.

This is pure spite.

The only person who would argue for PF is GS. I debated him a while ago and debunked his baseless interpretation, which wasn't grounded in feats.

He doesn't seem to understand that we rely on feats here.

The fight is decided by KO, death, BFR, or incapacitation.

Jean with the Phoenix Force can be knocked out or killed with sufficient force. Her ability to resurrect is irrelevant, as it still counts as a loss under forum rules.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Still doesn't beat being the starting point of Marvel creativity. Literally the creation arm of TOAA that every being, every reality every iota of energy and matter in Marvel derives from. Despite being the power behind the multiverse, all it's power isn't summed up in the multiverse with its true form the WHR remaining an infinite wellspring of creativity

you got on panel feats to back it this wankage up or is it just your own phoenix fan fic poetry?

Much of his might vested in his creation (unlike the Phoenix whose WHR form remains an infinite wellspring of creativity despite sustaining creation) to the point where its unable to bypass Monitor erected dimensional walls:
https://imgur.com/rxuKEgP
https://imgur.com/WdoaVDZ

Able to be surprised, overpowered and restrained by Darkseid using his power(lack of omniscience and omnipotence):
https://imgur.com/kfKnnAp
https://imgur.com/h0himI6
https://imgur.com/i1PZSu1
https://imgur.com/DCOSVOe
https://imgur.com/Wl7CuvD
https://imgur.com/3OzGDHI

Originally posted by h1a8
This is pure spite.

The only person who would argue for PF is GS. I debated him a while ago and debunked his baseless interpretation, which wasn't grounded in feats.

He doesn't seem to understand that we rely on feats here.

For goodness sake are you still holding on to a grudge from like 3yrs ago? Let it go lol

Where on earth are you reading spite from my posts in this thread? That is what id class as baseless interpretation and arguably spite out of a misplaced grudge that you really shouldve worked through by now.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's in the latest Jenny Sparks mini.

Originally posted by h1a8
The fight is decided by KO, death, BFR, or incapacitation.

Jean with the Phoenix Force can be knocked out or killed with sufficient force. Her ability to resurrect is irrelevant, as it still counts as a loss under forum rules.

Oh for sure.

If this is Jean Grey Phoenix as opposed to the Phoenix Force (the premise i was debating under) then that'd make this less straightforward

Originally posted by zopzop
WB GS!

And man, the Presence is all over the place. Check out the 2016 Lucifer series.....yikes.

Did you read last Jenny Spark's mini? What you think of CA?

Originally posted by zopzop
WB GS!

And man, the Presence is all over the place. Check out the 2016 Lucifer series.....yikes.

Hey Zop. Great to hear from you

Yh you know i like to pop up every now and again.

I'll have to re read the 2016 series. I remember being so excited for Lucifers return but finding it nowhere near as good as the 2000 series

But if it's got more showings of Presence that can present a balanced picture of things then I'll have a look again

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I'll have to re read the 2016 series. I remember being so excited for Lucifers return but finding it nowhere near as good as the 2000 series While I did appreciate the overarching cosmic murder-mystery plot, I have said that Lee Garbett's artwork in Lucifer vol.2 clashed horribly with Holly Black's writing and noir themes.

And the events within Lucifer vol. 2 utterly refute/dismantle certain closely-held KMC myths about Lucifer/Michael/Presence so it was widely disregarded. Some KMC mythologizers protested that vol. 2 isn't even canon. That notion has its own self-defeating problems but, whatever. It does not negate that Lucifer vol. 2 directly continues the story of Lucifer/Michael/Presence... Elaine Belloc, Mazikeen, etc.

But, yes, Lucifer vol. 2 is actually sort of missable.

Lucifer vol.3 by Dan Watters, Max/Sebastian Fiumara & other artists, tho? That's the sh1t. Go ahead and skip to vol.3.

Originally posted by ODG
While I did appreciate the overarching cosmic murder-mystery plot, I have said that Lee Garbett's artwork in Lucifer vol.2 clashed horribly with Holly Black's writing and noir themes.

And the events within Lucifer vol. 2 utterly refute/dismantle certain closely-held KMC myths about Lucifer/Michael/Presence so it was widely disregarded. Some KMC mythologizers protested that vol. 2 isn't even canon. That notion has its own self-defeating problems but, whatever. It does not negate that Lucifer vol. 2 directly continues the story of Lucifer/Michael/Presence... Elaine Belloc, Mazikeen, etc.

But, yes, Lucifer vol. 2 is actually sort of missable.

Lucifer vol.3 by Dan Watters, Max/Sebastian Fiumara & other artists, tho? That's the sh1t. Go ahead and skip to vol.3.

I didn't even know there was a 3rd volume! Thanks for the heads up.
I was an avid DC reader throughout the 2000s and then I fell off late 2010s with all the Metal and Death Metal business and continuity refreshes.

Looking forward to reading through this

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nah. Just the latest in explicitly stated Marvel canon.
Your drug addled hallucinations don't count.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Death of New Gods is apocryphal. You'd know if you had any knowledge about DC comics.

You don't get to dismiss a canon source because it's inconvenient to the narrative you wish to paint.

Online fan opinion is insufficient. When there's a retcon in print please share with us all

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is random gibberish. WHR isn't TOAA's font of creation, that's House of Ideas which is a separate realm from WHR. Peddle this nonsense somewhere else.

No. Its explicit canon that you are oblivious to.

The White Hot Room and House of Ideas have been placed in a Kaballah inspired tree of life Circuit by Ewing:

https://imgur.com/TOI3h4S

As he states in said interview, Defenders Beyond charts the heroes journey up the middle pillar of the tree of life:

https://imgur.com/jQg79cN

https://imgur.com/2euxa2w

From the Neutral Zone bubble that Eternity sits in at Malkuth

https://imgur.com/uwpxmfU

https://imgur.com/cvRgSIE

To the Beyond realm at Yesod:

https://imgur.com/WFNqVN1

https://imgur.com/9KsYSOl

To the White Hot Room at Tiphereth

https://imgur.com/undefined

To the House of Ideas at Keter

https://imgur.com/BLt9UrF

House of Ideas is where stories are generated as revealed in 2019s No Road Home:

https://imgur.com/SmVtcr0

However it is a place of immaterial meaning and portent as expanded on by the same writer Ewing in 2021s Defenders Beyond:

https://imgur.com/SmVtcr0

With Defenders Beyond referencing Avengers Road Home and Fantastic Four to show it considered those previous appearances in its latest take:

https://imgur.com/3N24CJN

As the ideas descend down the tree the White Hot Room is the place of creativity where theyre transmuted to physical reality:

https://imgur.com/KiNQQiI

https://imgur.com/yb0RVvA

https://imgur.com/PMsdiSH

We saw this when Mother Righteous wrote her story on its blank pages and it transmuted immaterial idea into flesh turning her into a Dominion:

https://imgur.com/gVxDIvf

https://imgur.com/3y8IvcN

https://imgur.com/hLGBp8j

It was able to do this as the White Hot Room, the true form of the Phoenix is Marvels starting point of creativity. It makes all that is made and determines what can be made:

https://imgur.com/rAQRGko

As the starting point of creativity it takes TOAAs ideas and transmutes them to physical reality. Yet despite creating and sustaining creation, the Abstracts, 1st Firmament etc it remains a wellspring of creativity. The creation tool of TOAA.

The true form of the Phoenix:

https://imgur.com/QZpvWBT

Where despite a portion of its essence being the very substance of creation, its core power is held in the WHR:

https://imgur.com/dpSSRJq

https://imgur.com/hNRLYq9

https://imgur.com/UwPY18L

https://imgur.com/PnNf8y1

Originally posted by MrMind
like many have said, the evidence you are looking for in the jenny sparks mini series. looks like we will have to spoon feed you everything. you know nothing about one side of the opponent in this thread which makes your opinion clearly biased.
your presence/overvoid/source intepretation is hilariously wrong, there are so many errors i dont even know where to begin

There is no interpretation when it comes to the Presence/Source. Im just sharing whats explicitly stated. The comics showed explicitly:

-the Presence was unable to see past the wards of priests
-Was defeated by 3 skyfathers
-Was left in a diminished state and unable to break through Monitor barriers
-Was able to be surprised, overpowered and restrained by Darkseid using his power against him
-The Overvoid was oblivious to a developing creation within himself
-That the concept of stories was beyond his knowledge and the mental overload split his probe

None of the above is interpretation. Its what was explicitly conveyed.

The bias is in your eagerness to acknowledge the low showings of TOAA but unwillingness to accept the clear limitations displayed by DCs supreme being.


I read Jenny Sparks this morning after Darksaint kindly informed me of the relevant title.

Great feat. If he was facing Jean Phoenix in her current form where its established she has self imposed limits then he its a battle for sure.

Against the Phoenix Force he would get smited.

so you think phoenix force can smite someone who create and destroy the infinite multiverse on a whim

care to back it up with actual feats?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

-the Presence was unable to see past the wards of priests
-Was defeated by 3 skyfathers
-Was left in a diminished state and unable to break through Monitor barriers
-Was able to be surprised, overpowered and restrained by Darkseid using his power against him
-That the concept of stories was beyond Overvoid knowledge and the mental overload split his probe



none of these happened, stop lying. you're an embarrassment. I've seen alberto spew more credible bullshit. you might as well write your own fan fiction at this point.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You don't get to dismiss a canon source because it's inconvenient to the narrative you wish to paint.

Online fan opinion is insufficient. When there's a retcon in print please share with us all Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No. Its explicit canon that you are oblivious to.

The White Hot Room and House of Ideas have been placed in a Kaballah inspired tree of life Circuit by Ewing:

https://imgur.com/TOI3h4S

As he states in said interview, Defenders Beyond charts the heroes journey up the middle pillar of the tree of life:

https://imgur.com/jQg79cN

https://imgur.com/2euxa2w

From the Neutral Zone bubble that Eternity sits in at Malkuth

https://imgur.com/uwpxmfU

https://imgur.com/cvRgSIE

To the Beyond realm at Yesod:

https://imgur.com/WFNqVN1

https://imgur.com/9KsYSOl

To the White Hot Room at Tiphereth

https://imgur.com/undefined

To the House of Ideas at Keter

https://imgur.com/BLt9UrF
This is gibberish at its best. Interviews aren't reliable until it's backed up by actual comics. Originally posted by GalacticStorm
House of Ideas is where stories are generated as revealed in 2019s No Road Home:

https://imgur.com/SmVtcr0

However it is a place of immaterial meaning and portent as expanded on by the same writer Ewing in 2021s Defenders Beyond:

https://imgur.com/SmVtcr0

With Defenders Beyond referencing Avengers Road Home and Fantastic Four to show it considered those previous appearances in its latest take:

https://imgur.com/3N24CJN

As the ideas descend down the tree the White Hot Room is the place of creativity where theyre transmuted to physical reality:

https://imgur.com/KiNQQiI

https://imgur.com/yb0RVvA

https://imgur.com/PMsdiSH

We saw this when Mother Righteous wrote her story on its blank pages and it transmuted immaterial idea into flesh turning her into a Dominion:

https://imgur.com/gVxDIvf

https://imgur.com/3y8IvcN

https://imgur.com/hLGBp8j
Dominions were threatened and destroyed by star busting forces.

Good to know WHR can make ideas in reality at star level.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It was able to do this as the White Hot Room, the true form of the Phoenix is Marvels starting point of creativity. It makes all that is made and determines what can be made:

https://imgur.com/rAQRGko

As the starting point of creativity it takes TOAAs ideas and transmutes them to physical reality. Yet despite creating and sustaining creation, the Abstracts, 1st Firmament etc it remains a wellspring of creativity. The creation tool of TOAA. Originally posted by GalacticStorm
There is no interpretation when it comes to the Presence/Source. Im just sharing whats explicitly stated. The comics showed explicitly:

-the Presence was unable to see past the wards of priests
-Was defeated by 3 skyfathers
-Was left in a diminished state and unable to break through Monitor barriers
-Was able to be surprised, overpowered and restrained by Darkseid using his power against him
-The Overvoid was oblivious to a developing creation within himself
-That the concept of stories was beyond his knowledge and the mental overload split his probe

None of the above is interpretation. Its what was explicitly conveyed.

The bias is in your eagerness to acknowledge the low showings of TOAA but unwillingness to accept the clear limitations displayed by DCs supreme being.


I read Jenny Sparks this morning after Darksaint kindly informed me of the relevant title.

Great feat. If he was facing Jean Phoenix in her current form where its established she has self imposed limits then he its a battle for sure.

Against the Phoenix Force he would get smited.
Lots and lots of gibberish with virtually nothing to back it up in terms of feats. You copied these scans from comicvine but we aren't on comicvine, honey.

Originally posted by MrMind
so you think phoenix force can smite someone who create and destroy the infinite multiverse on a whim

care to back it up with actual feats?



none of these happened, stop lying. you're an embarrassment. I've seen alberto spew more credible bullshit. you might as well write your own fan fiction at this point.

Why have you gotta swear and enter every exchange like an unhinged man?

It's ok to disagree civilly and respectfully lol

Captain Atom broke down and reconfigured the multiverse back to what it was a few times.

Atomic manipulation.

The Phoenix Force at full power has the power of Ex Nihilo. It is an infinite wellspring that creates out of nothing. It is the power that all the energy and matter of the Marvel multiverse, the 1st Firmament cosmos and all entities derive from.

The start of creativity.

Captain Atoms reconfiguring existing matter. As Tiphereth it's the equivalent of DCs Source.

When Captain Atom can generate multiverses from scratch (not shape someone else's work) then give me a shout

As for the Presence/Source comment, you can't dismiss explicit canonical evidence with throwaway comments. You would need to provide alternative canonical published material that writes off all i presented as standalone stories not canon for DCs multiverse.

You're unable to do so therefore the evidence stands

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Why have you gotta swear and enter every exchange like an unhinged man?

It's ok to disagree civilly and respectfully lol

Captain Atom broke down and reconfigured the multiverse back to what it was a few times.

Atomic manipulation.

The Phoenix Force at full power has the power of Ex Nihilo. It is an infinite wellspring that creates out of nothing. It is the power that all the energy and matter of the Marvel multiverse, the 1st Firmament cosmos and all entities derive from.

The start of creativity.

Captain Atoms reconfiguring existing matter. As Tiphereth it's the equivalent of DCs Source.

When Captain Atom can generate multiverses from scratch (not shape someone else's work) then give me a shout

As for the Presence/Source comment, you can't dismiss explicit canonical evidence with throwaway comments. You would need to provide alternative canonical published material that writes off all i presented as standalone stories not canon for DCs multiverse.

You're unable to do so therefore the evidence stands
Phoenix Force doesn't even have a feat of generating one universe on panel, forget about multiverseS.

Flowery language isn't a feat.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Phoenix Force doesn't even have a feat of generating one universe on panel, forget about multiverseS.

Flowery language isn't a feat.

Explicit statements equal canonical fact. We have statements that state that all energy and matter/all that is derive from the Phoenix Force and that it is the source and determinant of creativity in Marvel.

Why is it you can readily rank Darkseid based on statements about his role, or Dr Manhattan based on characters talking about their power level (despite neither having feats to conclusively evidence the stated power level, just other unrelated lower feats) yet its not ok for Phoenix?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Explicit statements equal canonical fact. We have statements that state that all energy and matter/all that is derive from the Phoenix Force and that it is the source and determinant of creativity in Marvel.

No, we don't have any such statements.

Because Phoenix doesn't has such statements.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, we don't have any such statements.

Because Phoenix doesn't has such statements.

Thats not true at all.

Darkseid is stated to be a multiversal god of evil and you assert a power level based on that statement and not an actual feat that corroborates that level.

Dr M is said by statement to be greater than Mxy and you happily accept that and rank him based on what Mxy can do as opposed to his own feats which dont corroborate this greater than Mxy statement

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats not true at all.

Darkseid is stated to be a multiversal god of evil and you assert a power level based on that statement and not an actual feat that corroborates that level.

Dr M is said by statement to be greater than Mxy and you happily accept that and rank him based on what Mxy can do as opposed to his own feats which dont corroborate this greater than Mxy statement
No statement for Phoenix Force at that level, none at all.

Weep, retard, weep.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No statement for Phoenix Force at that level, none at all.

Weep, retard, weep.

Reduced to a troll.

That was early

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Reduced to a troll.

That was early
Weep, retard, weep.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
https://i.ibb.co/bg2nm7k6/CA.jpg

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https://i.ibb.co/VWdgyTCx/PX.jpg Given that Senor Cage uploads but immediately deletes thumbnails/images, who even is the Captain Atom (BL) in this thread??? What does "BL" stand for anyway???

^ The version from the Jenny Sparks series(I only know because I saw the OP pic before he Hakai'd it.)

Originally posted by ODG
Given that Senor Cage uploads but immediately deletes thumbnails/images, who even is the Captain Atom (BL) in this thread??? What does "BL" stand for anyway???

Black Label. Story isn't in continuity.

Originally posted by ODG
Given that Senor Cage uploads but immediately deletes thumbnails/images Why does he do that though? Like actually.

He's on the run. He works for DC and leaks things to us all the time.

Or he's autistic?

No he likes leaking, that's all.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Black Label. Story isn't in continuity. What sort of transparent copium is this supposed to represent? The Black Label imprint doesn't render a story non-canon per se. The Three Jokers storyline was Black Label and canon. Hell, entire volumes of Sandman were reprinted under the Black Label imprint.

And what would it matter anyway in the context of Jenny Sparks? That Captain Atom destroyed and recreated the DC multiverse.

Originally posted by ODG
What sort of transparent copium is this supposed to represent? The Black Label imprint doesn't render a story non-canon per se. The Three Jokers storyline was Black Label and canon. Hell, entire volumes of Sandman were reprinted under the Black Label imprint.

And what would it matter anyway in the context of Jenny Sparks? That Captain Atom destroyed and recreated the DC multiverse.

King already stated it's not in continuity.

^ By all means, post your writer interview copium. I assume it must follow Tom King's 2022 comments on the Black Label imprint, as what you claim isn't what he said about the Black Label imprint at all, which would make you a lying piece of garbage. So go ahead.

Not that writer interviews change the fact that during Jenny Sparks, that Captain Atom destroyed and recreated the DC multiverse.

So what exactly are you trying to handwave away as if it didn't happen?

Then again, I suppose the more biting question is why exactly are you trying to handwave it away as if it didn't happen?

Whether the series is canon or not shouldn't really matter right? The multiverse is still canon, and that's what Cap Atom obliterated and remade with ease. Multiple times.

Originally posted by Infinaut616
Whether the series is canon or not shouldn't really matter right? The multiverse is still canon, and that's what Cap Atom obliterated and remade with ease. Multiple times. Oh and how would you guys compare Atom's feat to Mxy's feat in Worlds Funnest? Same tier or is one greater?

Originally posted by Infinaut616
Oh and how would you guys compare Atom's feat to Mxy's feat in Worlds Funnest? Same tier or is one greater?
I personally would view they're on the same tier.
There are some minor points can be debated(like Captain Atom seems to do it more frequent, but on the other hand, Mxy not only destroyed infinite universes but also all dimensions etc)
But largely I would say they're on the same tier.

Depends.

Was Atom's feat just the "local" multiverse(ie. the Orrery of Worlds)? Or was it the infinite multiverse? Or was it either of those + Hypertime? Or was it the multiverse + Hypertime + higher dimensions as well? I dunno, because "multiverse" can mean different things in DC cosmology, depending on the context. /shrug

I only mention this because Mxy did destroy all of the above, and casually remade it all with a snap. And he apparently does this on a weekly basis.

tl;dr
Captain Atom's feat can potentially be in the same tier as Mxy's, but it really can't be greater imho.

So it's greater, imho

Originally posted by Infinaut616
Whether the series is canon or not shouldn't really matter right? The multiverse is still canon, and that's what Cap Atom obliterated and remade with ease. Multiple times. Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I personally would view they're on the same tier.
There are some minor points can be debated(like Captain Atom seems to do it more frequent, but on the other hand, Mxy not only destroyed infinite universes but also all dimensions etc)
But largely I would say they're on the same tier. Originally posted by Galan007
Depends.

Was Atom's feat just the "local" multiverse(ie. the Orrery of Worlds)? Or was it the infinite multiverse? Or was it either of those + Hypertime? Or was it the multiverse + Hypertime + higher dimensions as well? I dunno, because "multiverse" can mean different things in DC cosmology, depending on the context. /shrug

I only mention this because Mxy did destroy all of the above, and casually remade it all with a snap. And he apparently does this on a weekly basis.

tl;dr
Captain Atom's feat can potentially be in the same tier as Mxy's, but it really can't be greater imho. Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So it's greater, imho Originally posted by Galan007

Originally posted by ODG
sly

I, completely unrelated, and completely out of the blue, think that all Black Label feats should be considered canon

i'm definitely on board with thinking of all the comics as canon until we have a reason to believe otherwise

But not Captain Atom high