Marv confronts the joker at the Farm he fought kevin at. The Joker has 10 henchmen all with standard equipment. Marv has a hatchet and the element of surprise. Can he do it?
of course he can! when was the last time Joker could fight anyway? the guy had this ONE PIS-RIDDEN incident where he turned around and fought Batman. but aside from that he's always been a wimp.
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... ah, yes, Sado. Didn't we already go through this "Joker is a wimp" notion when we debated Joker vs. Punisher?
Even if we through scenes from the film, he's definitely not. As thus:
1. Displays reflexes, strength, and even potential martial arts skill when he twists a physically imposing thug's arm behind his back and slams his head, directly so his eye sticks into a pencil.
2. With the help of his thugs, manages to hold Batman off for a bit and even injures him, when he stabs him with a knife emerging from his boot.
3. Displays absolute resistance and immunity to pain when Batman beats on him during the interrogation scene. In fact, he laughs and displays a masochistic pleasure at being hit with Batman's full strength, which includes slamming him into a window with enough force to crack it.
4. Beats and takes control of a police officer who was sent to guard him (knowing the Joker's danger level, this would imply that his guard had to be well-trained). Note; taking control of your opponent is more difficult than just beating them into submission.
5. This is a minor one, but when Harvey is in the hospital, Joker releases him from his restraints. Harvey attempts to grab him. Joker, with no apparent effort, restrains him and stops him from moving.
6. Yeah, as you can clearly see from the above mentioned posts, the final fight is not PIS. In fact, there is absolutely nothing to suggest it is PIS. Using trickery and preparation, Joker manages to attack Batman with enough force to stop him from launching a sufficient counterattack. All while not trying to kill him.
Not saying he's the best fighter ever (he's definitely not), but he's smart, resourceful, and at least good enough to not be considered a 'wimp'.
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i was talking about the movie one actually. isn't this Heath Ledger Joker we're talking about?
do you know how many times Marv was shot in the hardgoodbye? they counted it and there were 60+ shots fired at Marv and lots of them hit him too. the SWAT he took down at the beginning and when Lucile died were armed with MP5's )takes 30 seconds for a clip to be emptied) and he still pwned them......with a Machette.
Is it documented how many times he wss hit, if any, by the machine gun wielding SWAT team?
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He wasn't much of a fighter, not at all. He surprised one thug who completely underestimated him, ie a guy in a clown suit. Subdued a fat older cop, somehow. Wildly swung a pipe and kicked at Batman. He does have brains though.
I would have thought the TDK sillyness would have died out by now, then again, the DVD came out recently.
They opened fire and riddled him with machine-gun fire and they hit him enough to take him down, though not kill. Considering Marv has some degree of super-levels of durability, it had to be more than just a few bullets.
I am talking about the fight at the farm, not at the church.
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Not saying he's the best fighter ever (definitely not implying he could take on Marv in a direct fight), but he's a good fighter. At least that.
I was just replying to Sado's claim that Joker is a 'wimp'. Throughout the film, he repeatedly displayed that he has some skill. Besides, being able to attack Batman with enough power (granted; just through aggression and physical strength) to prevent him from launching a counterattack is at least somewhat impressive.
IIRC Bats was busy getting his balls bit by the dogs to really concentrate on Joker.
@Crimson: just cuz he fought bats ONCE in like what 20 years of being a baddie makes it pretty much always in my books. if you run away 99 times out of 100, even if you win that one time it still makes you a wimp.
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