Frank Martin. Again, Ip Man had trouble with a heavyweight boxer who was wearing gloves. Ip Man showed that he didn't have the power and strength to take on a heavy weight, and only his superior technique allowed him to squeak a win over the boxer. Unfortunately here, Frank Martin not only has the size advantage but has pretty damn good skill as well.
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Which Ip Man? The version played by Donny Yuen? If it's bloodlusted, Donny Yuen's Ip Man takes it - he was a freaking holy terror when enraged. As for the other Ip Man versions - meh, who cares.
I have never seen Frank Martin even close to this, and I am quite a fan.
It's wrong to compare Frank to that heavyweight boxer. While they're in the same weight class more than likely give or take a few pounds, Frank is stronger, faster, more durable, more skilled, etc, etc, etc...
Yeah. Ip is an absolute monster. But the problem is Wing Chun isn't a hard style, and he's not a big guy. He hits hard for his weight class, but so does Mayweather, and I wouldn't favor him against Mike Tyson in his prime.
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Yawn. They had to try and make the second movie interesting, so somebody got the idea of taking his student's fight against a 240 pound Russian boxer and try to make that seem like a challenge. In reality, Ip Man's student, Wong Shun Leung, "won that fight by KO with just three punches".
You said bloodlusted. Which means they are not in a dojo, fighting with rules favouring the boxer. Yip Man was accustomed to fighting against his peers, 99% of Martin's showings are against people with zero hand-to-hand skill, so of course he looks great.
Showing a poor portrayal of a fight that never happened and has nothing to do with the scenario you set up seems to be a dubious strategy, at best, if you really want to convince me.
The "reality" doesn't matter. What matters is what was seen in the film, since it's the film character we're debating.
And bloodlusted is bad for Ip Man as even fighting calmly, Frank was brutal and had no problem fighting dirty. And when he did fight against highly trained men(several times), he came out looking good as well.
The point he was making is that Ip Man had trouble with a guy around the same size of Frank, but far slower, less powerful, less skilled, etc, etc,... If he had trouble with the boxer, then Frank would murder him.
Just to add to what KingD said, "no rules" won't exactly put IP Man at an advantage as Frank Martin fights even dirtier than IP Man, and that's just him on his normal days. And Martin has faced skilled opponents before, but he was just so good that he made his opponents seem unskilled.
You still can't deny the fact that the single time Ip Man faced a bigger fighter than he (and not that so much bigger either) he had trouble with strength and size.
Martin is roughly the same size as the boxer (especially in Transporter 3) plus he's more skilled, faster, stronger, and with a whole load more durability and luck.
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That guy is far stronger than anybody Ip Man has ever faced, and Ip Man doesn't display near the durability that Frank does in this scene. He casually walks off being flung through a concrete wall.
Actually, I don't know. Dreampanther brought up a good point. They were fighting under boxing rules. That probably hampered Ip Man a bit. Also, the Ip Man films were more stylized than the Transporter films. The characters were performing wire-fu feats.
Nah, in the first 2 rounds Ip Man was kicking and grappling with the boxer. If any, it was the boxer who was hindered in that match, especially since he was wearing gloves. It wasn't until the 3rd round where Ip Man was disallowed kicks and yet even then he was still using elbows and holds.
And despite all the fancy wire-fu of the the Ip Man movies, what that boxing match proved was that Ip Man doesn't have the necessary power to comfortably go up against a heavy weight.
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