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Who was more impressive; Voldemort or Sauron ?

In terms of effectiveness, planning, achievements, etc. This is not a versus thread just a comparison thread.


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One required armies to defeat and survived for hundreds to thousands of years.

The other was killed and outwitted by a teenager.


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One required armies to defeat and survived for hundreds to thousands of years.

The other was killed and outwitted by a teenager.
So you're ignoring the armies Sauron had working for him in that battle.

You're also ignoring the help Harry had, the fact the wand didn't truly obey Voldemort, and the fact he had defeated Harry multiple times in the movies ?


Who returned to a body and who didn't.

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Its a tie


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Sauron had armies working for him because he was competent enough to acquire huge armies. Voldemort required most of the films to get his body back and acquire a small army. Sauron had his army building up before he even came back to power.

Harry outwitted Voldemort by tricking him into thinking the wand obeyed Voldemort.

Sauron didn't need a body to bring Middle-earth to its knees.


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Sauron had armies working for him because he was competent enough to acquire huge armies. Voldemort required most of the films to get his body back and acquire a small army. Sauron had his army building up before he even came back to power.

Harry outwitted Voldemort by tricking him into thinking the wand obeyed Voldemort.

Sauron didn't need a body to bring Middle-earth to its knees.


You a flip flop for Sauron, you just lost all credibility


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Sauron had armies working for him because he was competent enough to acquire huge armies. Voldemort required most of the films to get his body back and acquire a small army. Sauron had his army building up before he even came back to power.

Harry outwitted Voldemort by tricking him into thinking the wand obeyed Voldemort.

Sauron didn't need a body to bring Middle-earth to its knees.
Sauron never got his ring back. How many years passed without him ever acquiring his body ? How many years did it take for Voldemort to acquire a body ?

Voldemort took over the wizarding world unlike Sauron. He never ruled over anything.

How would Voldemort know when he wasn't there and Snape was secretly against him ?

Sauron needed massive armies to do so. The massive armies brought it to its knees while Sauron stared on in the distance.


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Voldemort acquired his body because he had competent servants however, like Peter Pettigrew. Sauron is the brains behind his whole operation. Also, finding a ring is far more difficult than finding a famous boy.

Voldemort took over a small part of the wizarding world.

Sauron never ruled anything? He rules over a large section of the world, geographically far greater than Voldemort's territory.

Exactly, Voldemort has double agents and shit in his agency because he's terrible at ruling. Sauron stamps out all traitors.

Sauron ruled and directed those massive armies that he literally created. Voldemort has a small group of British dandies under him.


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Voldemort was defeated by a baby. no expression

Yeah, I think Sauron's better.


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Voldemort acquired his body because he had competent servants however, like Peter Pettigrew. Sauron is the brains behind his whole operation. Also, finding a ring is far more difficult than finding a famous boy.

Voldemort took over a small part of the wizarding world.

Sauron never ruled anything? He rules over a large section of the world, geographically far greater than Voldemort's territory.

Exactly, Voldemort has double agents and shit in his agency because he's terrible at ruling. Sauron stamps out all traitors.

Sauron ruled and directed those massive armies that he literally created. Voldemort has a small group of British dandies under him.
You are calling Pettigrew a competent servant ? laughing out loud He was just deathly afraid of Voldemort and was a scab. Saruman was a competent follower who raised an army of over 10,000 for him. That is competence unlike Pettigrew who was aided by Voldemort screaming at him step by step what to do.



Snape killed Dumbledore there was no way to know. He killed Snape anyways. laughing out loud

Sauron had no double agents and still lost.


Voldemort has hundreds of wizards on his side who would run roughshot over Middle Earth. Too powerful and too much magic for Middle Earth to overcome.


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Way the f**k off topic, who is showcased in your set, Neph?


Lelouch vi Britannia, a character from the anime Code Geass.


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Voldemort was defeated by a baby. no expression

Yeah, I think Sauron's better.
Are you ignoring the context behind his mothers sacrifice ? Of course you are. It's like saying Sauron was defeated by a guy on his back with half a sword.

Voldemort returned and overtook the Ministry and the magical world.

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Lelouch vi Britannia, a character from the anime Code Geass.


Alright. Tanks for the info. thumb up


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Are you ignoring the context behind his mothers sacrifice ? Of course you are. It's like saying Sauron was defeated by a guy on his back with half a sword.

Voldemort returned and overtook the Ministry and the magical world.

smile


Oh right ok, let me re-phrase: Voldemort got defeated by the power of LOOOOOVE!

What a ****ing loser. laughing


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Originally posted by quanchi112 You are calling Pettigrew a competent servant ? laughing out loud He was just deathly afraid of Voldemort and was a scab.


He was also the only one who resurrected Voldemort.

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Saruman was a competent follower who raised an army of over 10,000 for him.


And was defeated by trees, and you ignore that Sauron commanded him to build that army and manipulated him with the Palantir.

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That is competence unlike Pettigrew who was aided by Voldemort screaming at him step by step what to do.


He found Voldemort by himself.

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Snape killed Dumbledore there was no way to know. He killed Snape anyways. laughing out loud


Snape's manipulations still brought about Voldemort's downfall.

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Sauron had no double agents and still lost.


Sauron also had to contend with armies of enemies.

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Voldemort has hundreds of wizards on his side who would run roughshot over Middle Earth. Too powerful and too much magic for Middle Earth to overcome.


A single Balrog or dragon would kill them all.


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Oh right ok, let me re-phrase: Voldemort got defeated by the power of LOOOOOVE!

What a ****ing loser. laughing
Sauron was defeated by the aftermath of a hobbit throwdown. Love didn't kill him either. That is inaccurate. Voldemort was in control or in power whereas Sauron never was despite his massive armies.


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He was also the only one who resurrected Voldemort.



And was defeated by trees, and you ignore that Sauron commanded him to build that army and manipulated him with the Palantir.



He found Voldemort by himself.



Snape's manipulations still brought about Voldemort's downfall.



Sauron also had to contend with armies of enemies.



A single Balrog or dragon would kill them all.
Yes, due to him listening to Voldemort's commands right next to him. He was lucky he escaped years ago. He is just a scared victim who does whatever Voldemort wants.

Saruman's army was defeated at Helm's Deep and Ents. The Ents are far bigger and stronger than his army which was defeated at Helm's Deep anyway.

And was aided by Voldemort. He was also captured and lived as a pet for years. Lucky for him he escaped. If you think he's some model badass follower you need to rewatch the films.

Again, Voldemort was not there and he killed Snape. Dumbledore, Snape, Harry, his friends, etc. Were all responsible.

Voldemort had to contend with the Ministry which he destroyed and overtook. One guy conquered whereas the other guy got conquered.


They had dragons tied up and tortured. Wizards rule don't be silly. Voldemort would crush the weak Balrog.


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Yes, due to him listening to Voldemort's commands right next to him. He was lucky he escaped years ago. He is just a scared victim who does whatever Voldemort wants.


And the only one who freed him from his unlife.

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Saruman's army was defeated at Helm's Deep and Ents. The Ents are far bigger and stronger than his army which was defeated at Helm's Deep anyway.


Point?

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And was aided by Voldemort. He was also captured and lived as a pet for years. Lucky for him he escaped. If you think he's some model badass follower you need to rewatch the films.


He is not a badass, but he is competent. Far more-so than Lucius Malfoy. Only Barty Crouch Jr. was more competent as a minion.

Peter chose to stay with Ron.

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Again, Voldemort was not there and he killed Snape. Dumbledore, Snape, Harry, his friends, etc. Were all responsible.


Sauron knows everything about what goes on with his army, he has his troops down pat. Voldemort did not.

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Voldemort had to contend with the Ministry which he destroyed and overtook. One guy conquered whereas the other guy got conquered.


The Ministry is weak and incompetent however, and Voldemort conquered a very small part of Britain. Not too impressive.

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They had dragons tied up and tortured. Wizards rule don't be silly. Voldemort would crush the weak Balrog.


Dragons in Lord of the Rings are much bigger and more powerful than HP dragons.


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And the only one who freed him from his unlife.



Point?



He is not a badass, but he is competent. Far more-so than Lucius Malfoy. Only Barty Crouch Jr. was more competent as a minion.

Peter chose to stay with Ron.



Sauron knows everything about what goes on with his army, he has his troops down pat. Voldemort did not.



The Ministry is weak and incompetent however, and Voldemort conquered a very small part of Britain. Not too impressive.



Dragons in Lord of the Rings are much bigger and more powerful than HP dragons.
Due to him listening to Voldemort. The man knew how to take an order.

Ents didn't defeat his army. You lied.

I never said he was the best follower. He was the most spineless. A competent follower is Snape. Crouch as well. Saruman was a very competent follower as well who can think on his own. Pettigrew is not a mastermind he is a yes man.

Sauron's troops always lost. Not something to brag about. Voldemort was successful and turned many to his side. Snape was still killed. It was a combined effort to bring him down. He required betrayal whereas Sauron was just beaten straight up despite having massive armies at his disposal.


The Ministry was not ineffective it is just Voldemort was the bees knees of the Potter universe. Everyone was scared shitless of him. Voldemort conquered the magical world which was far more impressive than Middle Earth which was never conquered and consisted of five wizards.


And ? Hundreds of wizards and acting like one dragon destroys hundreds of wizards is just stupid. Stop.

Wizards stomp.


You also have Giants, Dementors, Centaurs, etc. in the Potter verse.


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