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Captain America vs. Thor

Captain America has Thor's strength and durability

Thor gets his hammer
Cap gets his shield

Both are going all out

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Thor has been a warrior for hundreds and hundreds of years and has murdered his way thru shit that would make Cap'n tremble. No reason he doesn't win.


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Thor has been a warrior for hundreds and hundreds of years and has murdered his way thru shit that would make Cap'n tremble. No reason he doesn't win.


But Cap has is much faster in combat. One hit with Caps shield and Thor should go to sleep

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But Cap has is much faster in combat. One hit with Caps shield and Thor should go to sleep

Nah. Kurse threw that boulder of solid rock the size of several houses on Thor and he was still conscous and trying to fight back. And Kurse strength > Thor strength.


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It's not about the strength of the attacker in this case, it's about the strength of the substance. Caps shield is way more dangerous than a boulder. Caps shield tanked the Mjolnir, and that is when Cap DIDN'T have Thor strength.

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Even so, no proof Cap could level Thor. He has undoubtedly faced opponents that use shields. Cap is hundreds of years behind on combat experience.


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Even so, no proof Cap could level Thor. He has undoubtedly faced opponents that use shields. Cap is hundreds of years behind on combat experience.


You're right that cap doesn't have as much experience. But I have to disagree with the first part of your comment. There is no proof Thor has faced opponents who wield anything even close to as strong and durable as caps shield.

Just hitting Cap's shield caused Thor to fly backwards

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Remember when you said strength doesn't matter? It still does. Like I stated earlier, Kurse was going all out on Thor and kicking his ass, and Thor was never KO'd, though has was hurtin for certain when Kurse was punching his head thru the ground. So even if Cap has equalized strength and durability it wont give him an edge over thor anyway. If I had the body of Anderson Silva, equal in every way and we fought, I'd still get raped.


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You're right that cap doesn't have as much experience. But I have to disagree with the first part of your comment. There is no proof Thor has faced opponents who wield anything even close to as strong and durable as caps shield.

Just hitting Cap's shield caused Thor to fly backwards
No, the force of Thor's strike being rebounded cause Thor to fly backwards.

There is little difference between being hit by caps shield or a normal shield. Cap's shield being more durable doesn't suddenly increase the force unless it is also much more dense (Which it probably isn't, considering how light it apparently is).

This is ignoring that Thor isn't just strong or durable, he still has command of the weather that Cap has no answer to.

Thor wins.


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Even if strength and durability are equal, Thor still has an advantage of weather manipulation and flight. And even if you remove Thor's other powers, Mjolnir is just a more devastating weapon than Cap's shield. So bloodlusted fight, Thor wins.

Now if you made it pure h2h, then that would be intersting. And I could make an argument for both parties.


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And even if you remove Thor's other powers, Mjolnir > Cap's shield.


I'd strongly disagree here. Cap's shield is great at both offense and defense. Plus, if Thor hits it hard enough he is knocked back.

But yeah, Thor wins this thread.

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No, the force of Thor's strike being rebounded cause Thor to fly backwards.

There is little difference between being hit by caps shield or a normal shield. Cap's shield being more durable doesn't suddenly increase the force unless it is also much more dense (Which it probably isn't, considering how light it apparently is).

This is ignoring that Thor isn't just strong or durable, he still has command of the weather that Cap has no answer to.

Thor wins.


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No, the force of Thor's strike being rebounded cause Thor to fly backwards.

There is little difference between being hit by caps shield or a normal shield. Cap's shield being more durable doesn't suddenly increase the force unless it is also much more dense (Which it probably isn't, considering how light it apparently is).

This is ignoring that Thor isn't just strong or durable, he still has command of the weather that Cap has no answer to.

Thor wins.


I agree.

Also Cap isn't faster, as Thor has better speed feats.

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No, the force of Thor's strike being rebounded cause Thor to fly backwards.

There is little difference between being hit by caps shield or a normal shield. Cap's shield being more durable doesn't suddenly increase the force unless it is also much more dense (Which it probably isn't, considering how light it apparently is).

This is ignoring that Thor isn't just strong or durable, he still has command of the weather that Cap has no answer to.

Thor wins.


Actually the force of the shield depends on it's weight and acceleration (when cap throws it) , obviously this shield is very heavy and cap is strong enough to handle it So it definitely does more damage than normal shields.

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Actually the force of the shield depends on it's weight and acceleration (when cap throws it) , obviously this shield is very heavy and cap is strong enough to handle it So it definitely does more damage than normal shields.


What?

As far as I know, the entire point of the shield (In like every interpretation ever) has always been that it's very light weight, perfectly balanced, and yet basically indestructible and able to reflect nearly any amount of force.

IIRC, we even see normal characters lifting it up in his first movie.


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Cap is far more skilled, and faster at H2H.

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What?

As far as I know, the entire point of the shield (In like every interpretation ever) has always been that it's very light weight, perfectly balanced, and yet basically indestructible and able to reflect nearly any amount of force.

IIRC, we even see normal characters lifting it up in his first movie.


If it weren't "heavy", it would not send people flying back when hit because the speed just isn't there.

It's not just a little frisbee anyone can backhand (Winter Soldier is likely enhanced).

F= ma

"a" is visibly not high enough to explain impact / "F".

Therefore, "m" is also considerable.


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Cap is far more skilled, and faster at H2H.

You are a homosexual if you deny this. Just telling you beforehand.


I'd agree with faster, but far more skilled? I don't think so. Just because Cap can do fancier kicks doesn't mean he's better skilled. Thor has better h2h feats against better opposition.


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So what is Cap going to do when Thor goes Mach V and sucks him up in a tornado?

/thread.


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I'd agree with faster, but far more skilled? I don't think so. Just because Cap can do fancier kicks doesn't mean he's better skilled. Thor has better h2h feats against better opposition.


Watch Thor fight scene.

Then watch Cap fight scene.

The lower tier characters like Cap, Widow and Hawkeye all have a place on the team because of their extraordinary skill.

If this thread was Cap vs Thor, giving human Thor only Cap's strength/durability, people might think differently about it.


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