Read this before using Bleach characters in Vs. threads
They can't be hurt unless the opponent have got reiatsu, and since no other manga got reiatsu. This also means that they will one-shot anything that doesn't have reiatsu.
So I suggest that we make an equivalence rule to make it more fair. Because it would get boring if your average shit tier hollow was kicking Goku's ass. Don't you agree?
Nah, Kenpachi specifically notes "when two spiritual beings collide."
I.e. he is not saying that, say, a spiral power attack couldn't bust him wide open if it's stronger than his reiatsu, just that if it's a reiatsu vs reiatsu attack (like with Ichigo there) the stronger one wins.
Spirits inhabit the physical body. There won't be a physical interaction. The spirit will the lesser reiatsu will be weakened or die.
Do I also need to quote the Masked data book again where it explains that Shinigami can't be felt with the five senses by people who doesn't have heightened spiritual powers?
Fullbringers have an innate ability to manipulate reishi and reiatsu.
Matter in Bleach has reiatsu as well. Reread the fullbring arc it's all explained there. I'd post it but I can't post images for some reason.
Anyway you also have captains being thrown through apartment complexes without getting injured. So whatever small reiatsu regular matter has, it isn't going to affect anything above shit tier hollows.
Except reiatsu stuff interacts with physical stuff all the time- see, for example, Ichigo getting his sword stuck in the hospital ceiling.
Yea, when talking reiatsu vs reiatsu.
It's silly to think that'd help when the reiatsu is met by, say, a far greater power level (DBZ), or Rei-Ki (Yu Yu Hakushu) or what have you.
The greater power'll of course win even if it's non reiatsu.
Yea, sure, they're invisible to those without spiritual powers of some sort... though 'touch' still works, I'll note, as seen when people are wounded by them.
Still, no problem hitting them, and no problem winning if more power can be delivered.
Then what about the Lolicon Robot? I don't believe she's a spiritual being, is she? She didn't transform from a physical state into a spiritual one before she went Terminator on that guy at least.
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Is there any source that actually states that? The wiki just points to the chapters. Because she doesn't transition between a physical body and a spiritual one like Ichigo needs to, and since she doesn't, then her physical fists are enough to injure that Arrancar she fought.
Or, in other words, everything works, because by Bleach standards everything has a soul. No immunity.
Bzzt, wrong. There's no immunity- physical stuff can hit them, as has been observed.
Bleach considers everything to have a soul.
Notice the part where Final Form Ichigo is noted to specifically no longer have reiatsu and instead has a greater power. Likewise the sweeper is non-reiatsu and destroyers reiatsu beings.
Non-reiatsu power beats reiatsu if it's stronger.
How you can argue otherwise when actually citing quotes that disagree with you I don't know.
FYI, this Effect guy in the anime vs forum is a well-known troll on some other forums.
His style is he'll take one quote or character comment and run with it towards absurdity.
For example, due to the fact that one Naruto databook describes Haku moving between mirrors as lightspeed, he thinks Haku can just normally travel at lightspeed, any ninja faster than him is faster than light, and any ninja slower than him is high-relativistic (which, by extension, puts stuff like the various animals at relativistic as well).
Also, due to the fact that the Sage of the Six Paths has a jutsu called "Creation of All Things," he argues that the Sage created the universe.
And due to Kenpachi's quote he thinks Bleach characters are immune to all non-reiatsu attacks regardless of power (because any non-reiatsu attack has less reiatsu than something with reiatsu, see!).
Only problem is he'll keep pounding these same points no matter how many people point out it's absurd, so it gets old fast.
want a hollow hurt by a hum,an in like the first chapters im sure that applies to like shinigami they can be hurt by anything. your basically saying the world exploding wouldn't kill any shinigami.
FYI Q99 is a rabid hater with an IQ comparable to his age.
You mean quotes that are repeated and reaffirmed by the authors themselves to the point where it's getting ridiculous? Yeah I stand behind the facts.
You know I've already refuted any and all "counter arguments" you've posted. I'll gladly destroy those arguments again, but for the sake of taking on one argument at a time, stay on topic.
You've finally understood that non-reiatsu attack has less reiatsu than something with reiatsu? I believe we're making progress.
Once you provide an adequate refutation of these facts I'll stop repeating them. Till then, though shit.
I can see it being boring when you argue with people like Q99 who can't argue. You wouldn't believe half of the shit he posted on spacebattles. He shittalks Naruto like Kishimoto raped his mother in front of him as a child.
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