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Aizen always wins. 7 29.17%
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The fight can go on forever. 1 4.17%
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Madara Uchiha vs Monster Aizen
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Nephthys
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Madara Uchiha vs Monster Aizen

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The fight takes place at the Valley of the End.

Current incarnation of Madara.

Round 1: Madara has his Edo Tensei Body and Aizen has all his powers.

Round 2: No regeneration for either of them.


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Make speed equalized, 'cause Madara is blitzing this.

1. Meteor Double Meteor

2. Madara blitzes. Even with the same speed, Aizen's strongest attack is between Sage!Naruto and Pain's max CT.

Was thinking that Aizen can get in edge-wise with his illusions, but for some reason forgot what the Sharingan is famous for..


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I don't think so. When has Madara shown himself to be incredibly fast? IIRC Madara has shown that he's not as fast as Raikage. Other than that I don't recall him doing anything that puts him overwhelmingly above Aizen.

Aizen could probably destroy those meteors.


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Naruto is speedwise above Bleach, apparently.

Someone get around to looking at the mach 11 Rasenshuriken calc.


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Don't remember the small bits, was Madara notably slower than A? Ichico and Aizen were put at Mach 10, Sage!Naruto and Pain at Mach 11. If Madara isnt quite as fast as A, but he's certainly above Sage mode.


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From what I saw all it said was that Sagemode Naruto was Mach 11.

I haven't seen anything that would make me think Madara is faster than SM Naruto.


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Itd make anyone on the level of Sage mode or Pain at that speed. So Kakashi's reactions, the Kage's (powerscaling) etc.


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No it wouldn't. People on the same level don't have the same speed.


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Madara reacts to Rasenshuriken, which is what was calced at Mach 11.

Rasenshuriken being faster than Aizen is a load of bollocks if you ask me, but I haven't looked over the calcs.


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If you can fight with someone you'd have the same speed. Madara was able to catch/absorb the Sage thrown Rasenshuriken and put up a guard against A with lightning armour.


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Sniped you beeeetch.


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Madara reacts to Rasenshuriken, which is what was calced at Mach 11.

Rasenshuriken being faster than Aizen is a load of bollocks if you ask me, but I haven't looked over the calcs.


Ok, fair enough, but thats still just a reaction feat. All he had to do was turn on the Rinnengan. I'm not convinced he can fight at that speed.


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Aizen is probably the only villain I know who's so bad that he actually becomes good. But his evolution designs sucked.

Sentiments aside, Madara is definitely written slower than Aizen. Clinging to the reaction of a projectile poorly estimated to be in the 3.7 km/s range ignoring that none of the Kage -- most of who aren't much faster than the average Jōnin -- had no trouble keeping up with him is ridiculous.

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Sniped you beeeetch.

Dick. Took ages flicking through all those chapters. <__<


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Aizen is probably the only villain I know who's so bad that he actually becomes good. But his evolution designs sucked.

Sentiments aside, Madara is definitely written slower than Aizen. Clinging to the reaction of a projectile poorly estimated to be in the 3.7 km/s range ignoring that none of the Kage -- most of who aren't much faster than the average Jōnin -- had no trouble keeping up with him is ridiculous.
Madara blitzed all of the Kage. Including A, at one point.

Not that this really matters. If Madara can get up Final Susano'o, he probably wins.


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Madara reacts to Rasenshuriken, which is what was calced at Mach 11.

Rasenshuriken being faster than Aizen is a load of bollocks if you ask me, but I haven't looked over the calcs.


This doesn't mean he is as fast. he was able to react to something, he was not able to avoid it. That's two separate things. Same with being able to block A's charge. He was able to pull up a block. not avoid it like say, Naruto did.


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Madara blitzed all of the Kage. Including A, at one point.

Not that this really matters. If Madara can get up Final Susano'o, he probably wins.


Hmmm, really? If true then that would be impressive. I don't recall that though.

Aizen's attacks are pretty powerful. Plus iirc we havn't seen how durable the Final Susano'o is. Also, in the first round it would be hard for Madara to put Aizen down for good considering Aizen can just regenerate. Meanwhile, Aizen might be able to seal Madara in Kurohitsugi (that gravity attack he used).


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Madara blitzed all of the Kage. Including A, at one point.

Madara didn't blitz the Kage, this is what a blitz is:



These captains -- including Suì-Fēng, the fastest of them -- were all taken out without effort or ability to defend themselves.

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Ok, fair enough, but thats still just a reaction feat. All he had to do was turn on the Rinnengan. I'm not convinced he can fight at that speed.


Madara moves faster than Mū while evading Gaara's Sand.

Mū is capable of dodging attacks before other Kages. Mū is also capable of dodging an attack from Naruto in his Kyuubi Chakra Mode.

Gaara's Sand is fast enough to stop A & Sasuke from owning each other.

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Madara didn't blitz the Kage, this is what a blitz is:



These captains -- including Suì-Fēng, the fastest of them -- were all taken out without effort or ability to defend themselves.


What Aizen did is not very different from what Madara did, seeing as both the Captains & the 5 Kage were distracted before getting blitzed.

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This doesn't mean he is as fast. he was able to react to something, he was not able to avoid it. That's two separate things. Same with being able to block A's charge. He was able to pull up a block. not avoid it like say, Naruto did.


Look at the situation he was in, and you'll see why he wasn't able to evade those attacks, despite being able to easily react to them.


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Madara moves faster than Mū while evading Gaara's Sand.

Mū is capable of dodging attacks before other Kages. Mū is also capable of dodging an attack from Naruto in his Kyuubi Chakra Mode.


Mu is able to dodge better than most because he is a sensory type. He doesn't really have to be that fast because he senses it coming. These scans only prove that he can sense things better than the other kages. Same with the Naruto feat. Even Oonoki inferred it was because he was a sensor. As for the Madara and Muu movement thing, I don't really see how that equates to Madara being faster. They jumped in oppsite directions.

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Gaara's Sand is fast enough to stop A & Sasuke from owning each other.


This doesn't prove much. A was moving downwards. So he was coming down as fast as gravity allows. That's shit compared to most speed feat in the Manga. i would have been more impressed with the sand blocking Gaara from being hit with a kick from 5 gates Lee.



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What Aizen did is not very different from what Madara did, seeing as both the Captains & the 5 Kage were distracted before getting blitzed.


I find this example to be much different than what you are comparing with Madara. This guy is moving so fast they can't react at all.


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