We go by GTs scaling, in 5 years Goku was able to make his base equal his SSJ3 form from Z. DBO is 20 years later after Z, so in 10 years he made his base equal his SSJ3 GT form, add 10 more and he reached a huge level. Goku can go SSJ3. Who wins?
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Except for the fact that SSJ4 Goku got cut by glass, Golden Great ap Baby Vegeta who fought on par with SSJ4 Goku couldn't destroy Earth with one attack, and SSJ4 Gogeta struggled to defend against an planet busting attack. Going by feats and logic, Krillin shits on the GT-verse.
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How is my logic flawed when you're the one who can't seem to poke any holes in it? Gogeta does wreck the entire DBZ and GT verse(excluding Vegetto because of Gogeta's time limit), but not SSJ4 Gogeta. Super Gogeta.
If any GT character is so strong, show a feat of them being able to destroy more than a planet, in fact, show me a statement OR a feat, which I know you can't because no one in GT can bust more than a planet. In DBZ they can bust galaxy's and even universes with one condensed attack. Again, if my logic is flawed, prove it to be, don't just say MY logic is flawed.
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Gogeta could wreck the whole DBZ universe in seconds man, be reasonable. S4 Gogeta is beyond god power. He is all that is. You are disgracing your own name who you intend on naming yourself after. Even SS Gogeta could wreck all of DBZ Universe. SS Gogeta could wipe the floor with Shenlong as well.
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I wasn't talking about DBZ Super Gogeta when I said "GT-verse". Super Gogeta isn't in GT, only SSJ4 Gogeta. You obviously understand nothing of what I typed. Goku in base can destroy galaxies casually with gestures in DBZ, and SSJ4 Goku couldn't contest to the power of a blast that couldn't even destroy the Earth. GT is ridiculously non-cannon, and the power levels are retarded, as Kid Goku from DB could withstand temperatures 7 times hotter than the suns core, while SSJ4 Goku got burned from 6,000 degrees celsius. SSJ4 Gogeta is nothing to Saiyan saga Vegeta, and would get wrecked by Namek saga Krillin. However, yes, DBZ Super Gogeta can easily solo BOTH verses, excluding Super Vegetto.
The reason is because Super Vegetto is slightly weaker than Gogeta, but Gogeta can only stay fused for 30 minutes and Vegetto could definitely survive 30 minutes against him, considering they both have instant transmission and Vegetto stays fused permanently. Plus, when did it ever say Gogeta had godly power at all? He is not "all that is", lol, he is the fusion of two Saiyans. SSJG Gogeta would be godly, as the title implies, but would still have a limit at some point.
For example, while SSJG Gogeta could wreck nearly anyone from all of fiction with a gesture, pit him against TOAA or MOM and he is erased from existence with a though. That's just how stupid some characters in Marvel/DC are. They are the literal embodiments of GOD, and Super Saiyan God is just a name, just a form that uses godly ki. However, the STILL have a limit, which is proven by DBZBOTG when Goku loses to Bills who's using only 70% of his full power.
However, I think SSJG Gogeta might have a chance against TOAA if he wielded the infinity gauntlet... probably just wishful thinking though... whoever made TOAA, MOM, etc. must have a microscopic dick, to need to overcompensate so much.
Anyway, back on topic, GT gets wrecked by Krillin, including Gogeta from GT, but not Gogeta from DBZ.
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You have no proof Goku base in base can destroy galaxies. Nothing Krillen can do hurts S4 Gogeta. Nothing can hurt him, S4 Gogeta is all that is. He is a god without being a god.
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First, I think it's important to define what a power level is. An ordinary human has a power level of 5. It takes 27 PSI to crack open a human skull. In the first episode of Dragonball, Goku has a power level of 10. In that episode he is hit by a car and shot in the head by Bulma. Even a shot from a 9mm gun is over 30,000 PSI. Goku did not even bleed from that shot. The difference of 5 to 10 is a LOT more than double. This trend continues when Master Roshi blows up the moon with a power level of 140. The moon is about an 83rd of the weight of the Earth in mass. That's over 150 sextillion pounds worth of mass destroyed in a single shot. That is less than Pre Crisis Superman has been shown to lift with 1 arm, when he lifted 4 septillion pounds. Even so, it's an important thing to note.
It appears power levels do not scale linearly. It seems that each power level is more significant than the previous. If this pattern continues indefinitely, it's possible Goku is stronger than, or at least as strong as Pre Crisis Superman as early as the first episode of Dragonball z with his power level of over 950. During his fight with Vegeta, Vegeta threatens to blow up the Earth with a power level of 18,000. Some think that is a bluff, I think that would be out of character with Vegeta's personality, but that's another debate entirely.
Anywho, with the way power levels increase in DBZ, by the end of the Frieza saga Goku was likely capable of mass destruction on a galactic scale. Which brings me to my next point. Some will call this next point non-canon in the extreme as this is a movie reference. If you wish to do that, that's your choice. I do believe the movies follow the same "rules" as the anime/manga though. There is actually one power level stated to be higher than SS Frieza saga Goku. According to V-Jump magazing, LSS Broly has a power level of 1.4 billion.
Broly destroys the entire South Galaxy in his movie. That's a rather misleading term though, and doesn't mean what you think it does. In real life, a galaxy is 50-100 billion planets. There are about 600 sextillion planets in the observable universe. The South Galaxy in DBZ is not a typical real life galaxy, it is one quarter of the universe, as the other "galaxies". So assuming our universes are the same size, Broly destroyed about 150 sextillion planets in one blast. I believe it's been shown that at higher super saiyan forms, possibly as early as FPSS, Goku is stronger than Broly. As a super saiyan 3, Goku is certainly more powerful than Broly, and super saiyan 3s have been shown to be able to break the laws of reality, as demonstrated by blowing holes in dimensions, warping reality(Janemba) to the point where laws of physics were re-written, etc. So SSJ3 Goku could destroy the universe, as could fat Janemba, Super Buu, and many others in DBZ, maybe even reality itself.
Plus, you're stupid. Gogeta is not god, and loses to Vegetto. Prove he doesn't.
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Saying "he's a god without being a god", IS saying he's a god, dumb ass. It's called a paradox, which a retard like you would accidentally create during normal conversation. Again, the old Kai said potara fusion was superior because of the "no time limit" thing, so, while Gogeta is slightly stronger, Vegetto could hold him off until he unfused, and then easily defeat Goku and Vegeta.
Vegetto intentionally got absorbed, and even said so in the manga. The daizenshuu explained Gogeta used his full might to destroy Janemba quickly, as his earlier examples of evolution and adaptation proved if he didn't finish him quickly, he would have grown too powerful for Gogeta to defeat.
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No he could not even stop Buu as Vegetto, show me Gogeta ever getting bested by anyone? You can't. You don't understand the power of Gogeta..its sad. Did you see galaxies alining or anything happen when Vegetto was born. Vegetto was plain stupid.
Now go change your name to Vegetto because Gogeta wins.
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Vegetto admitted several times he could easily destroy Buu completely, as he even demonstrated by destroying part of his matter with a simple kiai shout. Gogeta has never been bested by anyone because he was only in ONE movie, and for like 15 seconds. Vegetto has never been bested either, and he was in several episodes.
I'm not changing my name, because I like Gogeta MUCH more than Vegetto, but if Gogeta fought Vegetto, he would lose unless his fusion lasted more than thirty minutes, maybe around 45, and he could definitely win if he had an hour. But he doesn't. He has thirty minutes, and a power level very similar to Gogeta's.
Galaxies didn't align when Gogeta was fused, lol. His aura out-shown everything in the universe and briefly consumed it. The kai's said that fusing with the potara's was superior to the dance, as it granted similar power, but didn't have a time limit. Gogeta doesn't technically even exist in the cannon timeline, lol.
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As you said, base GT Goku~SSJ3 Z Goku. Since we know that a SSJ3 boosts a Saiyan's base-level power by 400x, it means that Goku had increased his power by around 400x in 5 years.
So if we are assuming that Goku was able to increase his power by 400x every 5 years, it means his base form in this thread would be around 1,600x> SSJ3 Z Goku.
If we assume the SSJ multipliers stayed constant, then it puts his SSJ form at 8,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku, his SSJ2 form at 16,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku, and his SSJ3 form at 64,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku.
That being said, was SSJ4 Gogeta 64,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku? I suppose it's possible, but I doubt it.
By your logic a cannon krillen beats SS4 Gogeta non cannon, your a complete idiot. What world do you live in. Lets all make threads about cannon krillen vs every person thats non cannon and say he wins.
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Secondly, simple logic says a star/solar system buster that goes so FTL that he can outpace Yamcha easily, who is faster than DB Tien who could punch and move FTL, would easily beat a planet buster who moves slower than Nappa(and still rapes his opponent, proving Omega is a pussy-fart). Cannon Cell stomps all of DBGT without breaking a sweat at once, including SSJ4 Gogeta.
I live on Earth obviously. You apparently live in your own fabricated world of delusion where GT is cannon and I'M the retard in this equation. Go **** your mother some more please, dipshit, and leave the debating to adults.
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