It's this kind of garbage that makes putting anyone up against DBZ characters seem useless at first, but that's only until someone decides to challenge this kind of over hyping of these characters, that are actually softer, and squishier than the people that bring the hype want to admit.
Nappa country busts, and yet gets hurt from being slapped through a building? I'm not buying the BS. I'm about to challenge the BS that you DBZ fans have made of the characters, and in so doing have nearly ruined them. You take the highest highs, and pretend like they are the averages, and it's ridiculous. If SS4 Goku were punched with country destroying force, he'd be hurt, and yet you have Nappa a weakling in comparison destroying countries on average with no less than 2 fingers. GT Goku was nearly killed by magical toxic water, and yet no one dares mention the giant holes in the DBZ fighters defenses (particularly those from Planet Vegeta).
On Average Yusuke would be able to hurt the Vegeta being used in this thread. If I have to find more lower showings than are being promoted here by these ridiculously high showings I will, if only to prove that those really high showings are not the average. Not to mention that the power yield or type of power from both verses are completely different. Yusuke would probably be able to blow right through Vegeta's defenses. Looking closer, than what the rabid DBZ fans want people to see, what you get are pretty strong High Metas instead of what seems to be constantly described as Galactus level planet destroyers.
What should we do here? Should we open up the book on how crappy their defenses are or what?
If it was by someone like Goku or even Gohan, then that's hardly that much of a low end showing. Not every impressive display has to have flashy collateral damage
J/cc is a far better method of getting DC then AoE shit
Sorry we violated your preconcieved notions :maybe
That's how analysing fiction works. When you analyse it you take the highest possible showings, ignore the presence of outliers and make sure there were no circumstances that would make the feat unavailable in a neutral battleground, and assume it to be an accurate portrayal
Not to mention this stance is damn hypocritical when you consider a lot of anime/manga verses having a few (or even single) speed/DC calc for a character is enough for it to be considered "definitive" of their performance and can be powerscaled to most characters of note in the verse, including YYH, why is DBZ so different?
GT isn't canon, jackass
See gentlemen this is the precise reason why a vast majority of debating boards use the "positive feedback" debating style over the idea of trying to get a "mean" or "average" power level, which doesn't exist, it's not how vs debating works
You either take every single teensy tiny showing which makes characters only low end superhuman garbage, or you take the best feats of a character and assume it to be an accurate portrayal of their abilities, without the presence of obvious outliers anyhow (ala Spiderman vs Firelord)
Like I said, it would be by no means a fictional first for a verse being scaled to a few (or even single) speed/DC feats from a single character in the verse, and if it's ridiculous, then it just is and we just have to deal with that
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Bleach went for most of the decade before it got a quantifiably hypersonic speed feat, nobody had a single problem considering the verse hypersonic and by extension any characters shown to evenly match/blitz said character
Took them 580 chapters to get another quantifiable speed feat on that level
Just some food for thought
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I'm about to watch DBZ episode 29 to see just how powerful Nappa really was. Everything must be considered, not just energy yield. Or what would you suggest be done to get a well rounded opinion of just how powerful he was pound for pound. I will then go to another episode to see just how powerful Vegeta was. Do you still have the site that I gave you before? Do you want the URL?
Based on what? What type of defenses does he have against a totally different type of power? This is exactly what i was talking about, never mind the idea that most of the DBZ fighters were as dumb as a bag crap. We should ignore character? Is that how the Anime versus section works? If so pardon me, I have nothing more to say, and will leave, and allow you guys to continue bathing in the bullsh1t that you love so much. Why is this even called the Anime section, when the only thing that passes for interesting anime is the love of DBZ otaku? This is nearly as bad as challenging the Roman Catholic church, because you guys don't seem to want to be shown that the Z fighters weren't as powerful as many pretend that they are. Stealth Ranger, watch the jack ass comments.
In all honesty, I have no clue who wins as I never watched YYH. However, trying to dismiss DBZ's feats is laughable considering they do this kind of shit multiple times thorough out the series.
Last edited by ares834 on Dec 30th, 2014 at 04:38 AM
If the shoe fits. But I may be wrong, it happens. What I'm trying to say is that they were never portrayed as being immune to every type of attack, so in order to find out just how powerful and well rounded they are, don't you think that it would be somewhat prudent to show their weaknesses instead of this one character stomps? If this is the case, why should anyone ever bother to go against the mighty DBZ empire? You dig it?
I'm not mad brother. You haven't watched YYH? I'm about to make a fan out of you. I'll PM you the site. It has every episode. You up for it?
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Dec 28th, 2014 10:09 PM
Thanks Scribble!
