Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
Gohan seems to have a very nasty habit of neutering himself in battle these days. It's very irritating that he STILL does this, given his training with Piccolo right before the ToP.
#17 was trading blows with SSB Goku pretty damn well when they sparred -- neither seemed to gain the clear upperhand. He also has a very haxx force-field(it blocked SSB Goku's Kamehameha), along with infinite stamina(literally).
Gohan would win IF he cut loose, obviously. Barring that, I am leaning toward #17, tbh. /shrug
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Last edited by Galan007 on Dec 10th, 2017 at 02:40 AM
Gohan was struggling a lot more with a mere SSJ Goku, while #17 was dominating.
If #17 can push a SSJ Blue, there's no basis at all for Gohan to beat anyone at this point "easily". Especially when he actually got weaker from lack of training, while #17 could have easily trained up to Golden Freeza level, for the same reasons (Like Freeza, he was already massively powerful without doing any training at all. If training brings Freeza to god tier on that logic, why not #17?)
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With every new episode, it looks like Gohan is slightly stronger than #17, but in a fight between the two, one with unlimited stamina might be the game changer in the long drawn out fight.
17 isn't even base Goku (who was weakened) level. Goku was obviously holding back a lot of power against 17 during their first fight like I told a lot of people in the Anime section a while back (don't understand why you all debate like this... so different than what is presented in the comic book vs forum). Gohan destroys him, with ease imo. That's if you think Gohan is stronger than base Goku (weakened base Goku).
Imo, it's clear that #17 was far superior to base and SSJ2 Goku. He also did quite well against SSJ3 Goku -- neither seemed definitively superior to the other(in fact, Goku was clearly worried about the last blast #17 was charging.) I have absolutely no doubt that if the battle would've carried on longer, Goku would have ended up going SSG or SSB to end it... But that's neither here nor there.
Hopefully the manga also depicts Goku's fight with Gohan before the ToP, because the results of that bout are likely to end this discussion one way or the other.
Now if we're talking anime only, then BOTH did well against SSB Goku in their brief scuffles(heck, you could argue that #17 looked slightly better.) However, ToP Gohan is consistently at/around SSB-levels of power when he actually fights, and I'm hoping the manga keeps him that way. As much as I like the Androids, they logically shouldn't even be able to contend with Cell-era Gohan, imo... Let alone f*cking ToP-era Gohan.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Dec 19th, 2017 at 01:16 AM
Can Android #17 survive melee attacks from an angry Gohan long enough to wear him out?
I'm seeing a scenerio where Gohan has the upper hand, hits him with everything he's got, and wastes it on a shield.
But that won't work if he can just knock his arms off in one attack, like he did Piccolo.
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Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
Again, that's if you think Goku is fighting seriously against someone he is trying to promote and I see no reason on him fighting to kill against someone he needs help from. It's like saying Goku was going all out against Chi Chi during their fight. Or against Gohan when they were fighting in the time chamber.
He blew Cell in half not knowing the results. He killed Frieza. Killed Kid Buu. Do I need to keep going? He stood in one spot and asked Krillin to attack. This is completely different than trying to take out your opponent. Look at the Jiren and Hit fight.
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