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If He Be Worthy - ID vs SUPERMUTANT

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Welcome, tested and true champions !

Its time to begin the next round !!!

ID - Shaman

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SuperMutant - Silver Surfer

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3 posts

OP - Sent to me

Rebuttal

Closing - send to me

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Fight hard ! For the Glory of Asgard !


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"Id" wrote on Apr 13th, 2018 09:29 AM:
http://text-share.com/view/2d8f1334
Why X-Man + Mjolnir

I really do enjoy this tournament. One of the key benefits I see in pairing Nate with Mjolnir is 100x amplification....which is nasty.
https://imgur.com/a/CKHN3


  • X-Man is entering the battle field Raising Shields and Psionic armor.

    As a point of reference said psionic armor boost physical stats high enough to physically engage with Hulk and Thanos.
    https://imgur.com/a/ZXGJ0
    https://imgur.com/a/C61kY
    https://imgur.com/a/nqAkL


  • At the start of the battle X-Man will use his FULL telekinetic might to halt and freeze the enemies vicinity. Keep in mind even Mjolnir can be stopped dead in its tracks with TK.
    https://imgur.com/a/2Siux
    https://imgur.com/a/eJkv7
    https://imgur.com/a/ek2xj

    As seen by the scan Nate can not only telekinetically halt Abomination dead in its tracks, but lock the area in space/time, If my opponents are not preemptively preparing for this it will prove to be a huge burden since it will seize their movements creating an opening to whats to follow.

  • Nate will than take over the opponents hammer no different than how Metal Master II did to Jane-Thor. And force the hammers to collide and unleash the lightning attack that "Forged The Cosmos Itself" upon my enemy.
    https://imgur.com/a/8jp1L
    https://imgur.com/a/2Cglq


A few points

1) If Surfer does not die from the opening attack, its easy picking for Nate to bludgeon him to death.

When its all said and done I will be taking my oppenents ear.

I am going to on the limb and say that my opening post is by far the most simple and easy to follow in the entire tournament including my opponent in this match. Its a strategic move on my part because I want to keep it short and compact to leave no doubt on anyones mind that I would win the opening bid of action.

If Supermutant wants to cram 52 years of feats in a single post and have Surfer multi task a dozens of actions at once....well thats on him, and something Surfer has NEVER done in its entire run.... good luck proving he can that burden of proof fall squarely on his shoulders.

Judges please keep this mind as you read this match.

2) If Supermutant is going to use feats of Surfer from the recent Thanos Mini. His feats should be non-valid due to taking place in an alternate future not canon to Surfers time-line. Meaning these are non-canon feats, and fails to explain why Sufer has gone through a physical change to which he may benefiting from an unknown ampt. For phucks sake the Silver Surfer is not freaking Silver.


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I was greatly tempted to just let the above be my OP. Because I couldnít have stated it better myself. Plus Shaman Nate has some form of precognition, so it has to happen right. lol

Straight to the point hereís the plan, Shaman Nate is getting absorbed after all he is pure energy. And the Silver Surfer (SS) is pretty good at absorbing massive amounts of energy plus mjolnir isnít half bad at it either. Furthermore, Iím sure Id is going to use Nateís psionic armor which unfortunately for him is nothing but energy. Meaning he will just make it easier for me to absorb him.

The very first thing SS does is create a mjolnir enhanced power cosmic force field around X-manís hammer.

https://imgur.com/PkJrpfu
https://imgur.com/MWio8bt

Thor had to physically break that field around the hammer. The hammer did not return to him even though he was calling it back to him and reaching for it, until he broke the field.

SS force field was amped by Loki during the above scans, here SS force field will be amped by mjolnir. I only need the field to last for a few seconds. Because immediately after the cosmic field, SS and mjolnir will drain Nate dry ending this battle. This whole battle will probably be over in mere seconds.

Mimic and Weapon Omega completely drained Shaman Nate of all of his power. Then a powerless X-Man was knocked out by one kick from Norman Osborn, and tortured so he could later power the omega machine. Here SS and mjolnir will replicate the feat even easier as either one are better energy manipulators than those 2 losers combine.

https://imgur.com/a/KEd6E

Below Shaman Nate transforms his body into living energy and merges with the alien Harvester. He then spreads both of them into the cells of every living thing on Earth. Nate didnít return or reform for a few months, so he was incapacitated for quite a well.

https://imgur.com/6gxqeQ3
https://imgur.com/tdZPLdD
https://imgur.com/WOhA7mh

Stryfe was able to drain the psionic armor of Nate as well, and replenish himself in the process. So SS will not just be draining Nate, but also he will be augmenting his own power.

https://imgur.com/D1eZhVC
https://imgur.com/qxAWHvC

By the way, Nateís armor can be cracked and destroyed by brute force alone. A Thanosi has done it.

https://imgur.com/r0xhW71

SS can absorb all kinds of exotic energy in battle including souls, psycho-kinetic, gamma, and even the power cosmic of other heralds. And not only does he absorb the energy, but very often he uses that same energy against his opponents.

https://imgur.com/VcUTUBT
https://imgur.com/ESH6BgC
https://imgur.com/geJOpVU
https://imgur.com/a/8MOr2
https://imgur.com/fr7uWik

Absorbing and re-channeling energy is probably what mjolnir does best. Including entire beings made out of energy, like Electro and Presence (nuclear energy).

https://imgur.com/KuT37f4
https://i.imgur.com/4SeOgJk
https://imgur.com/gimi9RC

Also mjolnir can take energy from someone like Kang and return it 10-fold. Even a telepathic bolt from the Phoenix gets absorbed and returned. Furthermore, Thanos energy attack gets returned a 100-fold.

https://imgur.com/AnM7RJL
https://imgur.com/yK36o1q
https://imgur.com/wZEnnqS
https://imgur.com/xgoJYEi

Remember Judges Iím using both SS and mjolnir to absorb Shaman Nate who is psionic energy. His body is only a shell, therefore he gets completely absorbed and thereís no coming back from that for this BZ. You all have already seen how fast this process is and how powerless Shaman Nate was after.

Now to sure up my defense. Shaman Nate is a psionic entity, so Iím sure ID is planning more mental shenanigans besides the psi-armor. But, SS has very impressive mental defenses.
In Infinity Crusade # 3, SS resists a psychic attack from Moondragon with the MIND gem, while breaking free from control by the goddess.

https://imgur.com/8sjl9ok

For reference in the same issue, Moondragon with the exact same psychic attack put Pro X in a coma.

https://imgur.com/s1eBUSG

Below SS defeats a huge pure consciousness (the reflection of a living mind) and psionic aliens by channeling the power cosmic through his own consciousness, in the form of a telepathic blast.

https://imgur.com/a/S1KpX

And SS shields protects against both physical and psychic attacks.

https://imgur.com/aH48D9J

Finally, with cosmic awareness SS can do everything and more that Shaman Nate can do with ďplanck time.Ē Plus the five second rule greatly reduces the benefits of planck time anyway, making it basically a non-factor.

https://i.imgur.com/iyVBcxS
https://i.imgur.com/x8gk64j
https://imgur.com/Vi56xSh

In summary my plan is pretty simple, straightforward, and quick.
Block Id access to his mjolnir for a few seconds.
Use my mjolnir and SS own powers to completely depower Nate.
Celebrate.


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Well, this was a fun battle. Id did everything I thought he would, and my counters were waiting for him. Plus he was wrong about every significant thing that he thought I would do lol. Letís start at the beginning of his predictable and mistaken plan.

quote:
X-Man is entering the battle field Raising Shields and Psionic armor.


A nice sly attempt at prep but absolutely wrong. As everyone should know by now, no one does anything in this tourney before the match begins. So the match starts Nate raises a shield around himself, and simultaneously SS raises a cosmic shield around his mjolnir. Nate puts on psionic armor, while SS and his mjolnir simultaneously drains him of said armor and everything else. Remember it only took Weapon Omega and Mimic one panel too quickly drain Shaman Nate completely of his energy. And SS + mjolnir are much faster and better at absorbing energy than those two mooks.

quote:
As a point of reference said psionic armor boost physical stats high enough to physically engage with Hulk and Thanos.


Good for me that I am clearly not attacking you physically, and IIRC that was a Thanosi with the retcon (just look at the unusual size of him). Not that important though either way, b/c the armor with the rest of Nate is getting absorbed.

quote:
At the start of the battle X-Man will use his FULL telekinetic might to halt and freeze the enemies vicinity. Keep in mind even Mjolnir can be stopped dead in its tracks with TK.
https://imgur.com/a/2Siux
https://imgur.com/a/eJkv7
https://imgur.com/a/ek2xj

As seen by the scan Nate can not only telekinetically halt Abomination dead in its tracks, but lock the area in space/time, If my opponents are not preemptively preparing for this it will prove to be a huge burden since it will seize their movements creating an opening to whats to follow.


The problem from Nate here is that SS has and can do the exact same thing plus more lol. SS can see into the past, present, and future simultaneously, and peel back the layers of time.

https://imgur.com/lqUxTUB

Below SS binds the consciousness of the living planet Euphoria to one spot and ďstill every molecule! Cease their vibrations! And cancel sound itsel(f)--Ē

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/euphoria/4005-138755/

https://imgur.com/TomaUBh
https://imgur.com/Qxsv3Rg

Plus Cable was unaffected and able to move normally when he arrived to the same area that was still locked in space/time by Nate. Who even needed much help walking after performing said feat.

https://imgur.com/oJ7fUVK
https://imgur.com/pXfrFwB

So that is no advantage for Nate at all, furthermore at this point he is already being drained dry. Also, my mjolnir never leaves my hand, so there is no opportunity to even try too stop it dead in its tracks. By the way mjolnir can start/stop time and create a time warp around an area as well.

https://imgur.com/n65ARyq

Below SS completely stops red-skinned alien Urg from moving. The first scan shows that Urg is strong enough to break thru Quasarís shield in two punches. The second scan shows that Urg is not only super strong and durable, but also able to absorb and re-channel energy. Which makes this feat better than Nate stopping Abomination, plus Urg was bloodlusted having just witness his best friendís death as he states in the last scan.

https://imgur.com/a/viKDu

Now for the best part of Idís plan.

quote:
Nate will than take over the opponents hammer no different than how Metal Master II did to Jane-Thor. And force the hammers to collide and unleash the lightning attack that "Forged The Cosmos Itself" upon my enemy.


HA HA LOL, Id forgot about the very first rule. So his entire plan fails hard here, but also for other reasons that I will mention next.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Damborgson
RULES


-Only your character is worthy of their Mjolnir. No stealing the opponents hammer.


Thatís right the main part of his plan is invalid because it is against the rules. So while that is definitely worth mentioning, even if it was valid it would still be unsuccessful. Because simply Metal Master II and X-Man are not the same characters obviously and do not share the same feats. Metal Master II has control over all metals even enchanted uru, which has nothing to do with Nateís tk. SS has much more of a claim to effecting uru metal than Nate, b/c he has actually done so on panel but I digress. The key point is that Metal Master II ability has no relevance in this match for either participant.

quote:
A few points

1) If Surfer does not die from the opening attack, its easy picking for Nate to bludgeon him to deathÖ.

I am going to on the limb and say that my opening post is by far the most simple and easy to follow in the entire tournament including my opponent in this match. Its a strategic move on my part because I want to keep it short and compact to leave no doubt on anyones mind that I would win the opening bid of action.

If Supermutant wants to cram 52 years of feats in a single post and have Surfer multi task a dozens of actions at once....well thats on him, and something Surfer has NEVER done in its entire run.... good luck proving he can that burden of proof fall squarely on his shoulders.


1) This match never gets physical. Nate gets completely absorbed after a few seconds in this match.

2) Id was wrong yet again because my plan is the most simple and the most effective. It only has two parts a shield around Idís hammer and then absorption. Id lost this match in the very beginning and did precisely what I wanted him to do. All the positive things that Id thought about his plan actually apply to mine.

3) LOL so wrong. While I certainly could multi-task, I am not here. Because it is not needed for such a clear and concise two-step plan. The beauty of my plan is that SS is being used for what he does best, absorbing energy. See below SS forcefully strips takes all the power from Sympira. And my weapon is also the best at doing the same and being used in a normal standard way. Shaman Nate is very powerful, but he has one major flaw being pure psionic energy that I have used to my advantage for victory.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/sympira/4005-63430/
https://imgur.com/a/EYM6K

Old Post Apr 17th, 2018 04:18 AM
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Recap for X-Man Opening Post

  • X-Man + Mjolnir Combo benifts from a generous 10x - 100x amp.
  • Begin the match with Shields and Psi Armor.
  • TK Freeze vicinity to the point it locks space/time.
  • Take over his Mjolnir and force it to hit mine to unleash an attack on my opponent.



quote: (post)
Originally posted by Supermutant
Well, this was a fun battle. Id did everything I thought he would, and my counters were waiting for him. Plus he was wrong about every significant thing that he thought I would do lol. Letís start at the beginning of his predictable and mistaken plan.

Said every other participant. In every other tournament match. Brownie points for the Villain Monologue


Shields and Armor
Whether I am or not allowed to enter the battlefield with shields & armor is of little concern to me. But it is the first line of action, and in practice Nate has demonstrated he can create them instantly.


Seize of Nate Mjolnir and Energy Drain
Supermutant is claiming opeaning action was to seize Nate Mjolnir and follow up with draining him.
quote: (post)
Originally posted by Supermutant
So the match starts Nate raises a shield around himself, and simultaneously SS raises a cosmic shield around his mjolnir. Nate puts on psionic armor, while SS and his mjolnir simultaneously drains him of said armor and everything else. Remember it only took Weapon Omega and Mimic one panel too quickly drain Shaman Nate completely of his energy. And SS + mjolnir are much faster and better at absorbing energy than those two mooks.

Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.

  • Surfer can not seize Mjolnir willy - nilly. Look at YOUR OWN scans, Surfer needed to blast Thor. Thor drops the hammer, and then Surfer creates a force field around Mjolnir. Its NOT HAPPENING. Per your scans you are required to land a clean hit on Nate, and Nate to drop Mjolnir to do so, and it this point my Shield and Armor are up.
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  • In order for you to drain Nate, I would need to be simply standing there and allowing it to happen. Nate is not standing, and my own Mjolnir would counter your attempts to drain my psionic energy.

  • Your actions are countered the moment X-Man TK sized your vicinity.


Remote Control the Hammer and Nate's TK
quote: (post)
Originally posted by Supermutant
-Thatís right the main part of his plan is invalid because it is against the rules..

Its up to the host and judges to draw a verdict. But let me tell you why it IS LEGAL. I am not overwriting or breaking Sufer enchantment being worthy. I am simply manipulating gravitrons to take control of Mjolnir the same way Metal Master II did thanks to Nate being able to manipulate the Earths Gravity as well.
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heh. I know people participating in matches against me are going to HATE me for this. But I found it hi∑lar∑i∑ous when Metal Master II took control Janes Mjolnir. And the reasoning behind how it was done per the author of issue even more so. Regardless of how funny I find the situation of someone high-jacking Mjolnir thanks to manipulating its inertia and gravitons and overpowering Jane control of it.... It happened and its legit, and I find no reason why Shaman X-Man could not do the same.
The following are breif scan of what happend and Mark Waid explanation.
https://imgur.com/a/1hTRf

And here we see Nate Grey showing he is able to psionically isolate the gravitational pull on the freaking planet on the freaking Elder Beasts! Overkill of a feat? Hell yeah. But at least we know Nate has the chops to do it.
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To Conclude

  • To size Nate Mjolnir you need to land a clean hit on Nate for Nate to drop Mjolnir. You cant, not without Nate shields and armor being there to block your intentions.
  • You can not Drain Nate. Attempts to pull off an an energy drain can be fended off with Nate's Mjolnir.
  • Your actions are frozen by Nates own TK and Surfers Mjolnir has been seized thanks to Nate psionically manipulating its gravitrons. Your demise will be met with the colliding both Mjolnirs unleashing its devastating attack.


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ID FINAL POST
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"Id" wrote on Apr 20th, 2018 11:29 AM:
http://text-share.com/view/c5c29505
Final Post for X-Man + Mjolnir
Its been fun playing with X-Man + Mjolnir can draw of different ways to use Psionic Powers + a Weapon of the Gods. With that said special thanks the Host, judges and Supermutant for participating.

The Power of Shaman X-Man
Strickly focusing on his TK. The bulk of scans used today where for the most part Pre-Shaman era of Nate. Meaning when Nate was weaker due to lack of knowledge/experience of power, his body flaring out of control, plus the impact of his human limitations. When Nate revived his upgrade to become a Shaman, we never got a clear answer of the extant of his TK. We do know he got a huge bump in controlling his power and defusing the genetic time bomb placing a stop to his body flaring out. We also know he has the power to destroy worlds, however the author goes as far as to say its well within reason for Nate to snuff the sun out. And those human limitations like stamina? Well in Dark X-Men upon his return he is no longer human, but living psionic entity housed in a body of his creation.
The following scans point out the extant of his psionics/tk mentioned.
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https://imgur.com/a/VPRJLmn

So NO it will not tax Nate to TK hold Surfer to the point of locking space time. As Shaman he would not be taxed since the feat is now being replicated in his more powerful-self. Also Supermutant at NO POINT countered the fact. His replies where watered down to a scan blitz of "Look what I can do". Well TOUGH you did not anticipate this move, and there is no counter. His ass is staying frozen right where he is just like Abomination. Deal with it.

And dont try to act as if the Abomination feat is not impressive.
Abomination vs Surfer
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https://imgur.com/a/69EYvsq
Abomination cleans your clock!


How I Envision The Match Going Down
Whith everything said up to know. The match would go as followed.

  • I raise shield's & Armor. Blocking Surfer energy blast. He NEEDS toss an attack. Because he will quickly realize that he can not create a shield around my Mjolnir without Nate ungriping or releasing his Hammer. (Scan of Nate Raising shields mid battle and quickly creating an armor for hulk).
    https://imgur.com/a/V5rs0xM

  • Surfer failed attempt follows up with an energy drain. His energy drain will be neutralized by Nate's own Mjolnir and Equally Nate will counter with TK Freeze.

  • With Surfer TK Frozen. Nate will take his Mjolnir force them collide to unleash its awesome attack.


Should Surfer for some reason survive all this he gets bludgeoned to death with his skull crushed and penetrated by his own Mjolnir.
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SUPERMUTANT FINAL POST

quote:
Shields and Armor
Whether I am or not allowed to enter the battlefield with shields & armor is of little concern to me. But it is the first line of action, and in practice Nate has demonstrated he can create them instantly.


It is very clear that you cannot put on shields and armor until after the match start. Which should concern you because it gives me ample time to place a cosmic field around your mjolnir and energy drain you. Meaning I win the opening action, therefore I win this match.
Id statements are in quotes:

quote:
Surfer can not seize Mjolnir willy - nilly. Look at YOUR OWN scans, Surfer needed to blast Thor. Thor drops the hammer, and then Surfer creates a force field around Mjolnir. Its NOT HAPPENING. Per your scans you are required to land a clean hit on Nate, and Nate to drop Mjolnir to do so, and it this point my Shield and Armor are up.


Unfortunately for you there were two times during the same battle that SS put a cosmic field around Thor's mjolnir. I have already shown one and here is the other.

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So while X-man is trying to regain mjolnir by physically breaking thru said cosmic field, he is already being drained dry. Again while Shaman is putting on armor and shields, SS is putting a field around Shamanís mjolnir at the same time. Then immediately draining him dry as seen below, the draining process took only 1 panel.

quote:
In order for you to drain Nate, I would need to be simply standing there and allowing it to happen. Nate is not standing, and my own Mjolnir would counter your attempts to drain my psionic energy.


lol You have showed no evidence of resisting an energy drain especially of SS + mjolnir caliber, or of putting on armor and shields while on the move. You are in fact just standing there putting own useless shields and psionic armor going by your own opening course of action. And why would you be moving anyway? You have no idea what I am doing until it is too late. Look again at how quickly and completely Weapon Omega and Mimic drained Shaman Nate. By the time you complete your opening action, you have been drained of all your energy.

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I have already shown SS draining energy from his opponents in mid combat. And mjolnir can drain energy while on the move as effortlessly as the SS.

https://imgur.com/onvAtRD


quote:
Your actions are countered the moment X-Man TK sized your vicinity.


This is rich b/c Nateís tk is not more powerful than the power cosmic of SS. I have already shown SS locking down the space and time of an entire living planetís consciousness. You have not shown any evidence of TK affecting the SS. The SS routinely and casually flies through black holes and white holes. Even below the SS use the power cosmic to fold the fabric of space and time, and break through a time loop to free three billion vessels and six billion souls.

https://imgur.com/a/9YMb4UJ

And with cosmic awareness SS will know about any attempts at time/space manipulations. Here he senses that Mephisto is up to something while just routinely flying in space.

https://imgur.com/xLJ03Ut

Moreover, Mjolnir can start/stop time as well as previous shown. Plus below mjolnir reverses time, creates a time warp, and protects itself and others from a time freeze.

https://imgur.com/ucMJOiR
https://imgur.com/lSXlsqT
https://imgur.com/2CjvXxD

quote:
Its up to the host and judges to draw a verdict. But let me tell you why it IS LEGAL. I am not overwriting or breaking Sufer enchantment being worthy. I am simply manipulating gravitrons to take control of Mjolnir the same way Metal Master II did thanks to Nate being able to manipulate the Earths Gravity as well.


Id is attempting to make a distinction that since he is ďstealingĒ the hammer in a different way it is allowable under the rules. But the rules makes no such distinction. For example robbing someone of their cash at gunpoint, and stealing their bank account info online to buy merchandise are both examples of theft. While definitely different actions, one is greatly more violent than the other, the same result is that an innocent victim has money stolen from them. When Metal Master II exercised control over Janeís hammer, she could not use it in anyway until Metal Master was koed by Supergiant. Metal Master repeatedly used the hammer against Jane and her allies. Jane reached for it to no avail. Jane even states, ďWith the new Metal Master down, Mjolnir is mine once again.Ē This is a perfect example of stealing anotherís mjolnir against the rules.

https://imgur.com/a/xpqRIFb

Now hereís the ironic thing about Idís explanation to control said hammer, SS is better at gravity manipulation than Nate. If Idís plan is not illegal than SS would just take control of his mjolnir back by doing the same gravity manipulation and take control of Nateís hammer.

quote:
And here we see Nate Grey showing he is able to psionically isolate the gravitational pull on the freaking planet on the freaking Elder Beasts! Overkill of a feat? Hell yeah. But at least we know Nate has the chops to do it.


SS exceeds that feat by placing two planets into harmonious orbit by removing the gravitational disturbance caused by adding a planet to that solar system.

https://imgur.com/RNc92gC

The ultimate ending of Idís plan:

quote:
And force the hammers to collide and unleash the lightning attack that "Forged The Cosmos Itself" upon my enemy.


Finally if everything goes the way that Id wishes, he would attack me with the ďbig bangĒ energies. That SS would in turn use against Shaman Nate for the victory. So thanks Id. As seen below a dying SS channeled the energy of the ďcrunchĒ (a creation event) to defeat two Galactus level beings, proemial gods.

https://imgur.com/a/U87Fg#0


In summary I have shown on panel proof of every detail in my simple but effective two-part plan. Idís plan was countered from the very beginning and all throughout. Plus even at the end, he unwisely would give me the energies of creation necessarily to erase him from existence lol.

--Cosmic force field enhanced by my mjolnir around Idís hammer
--Rapid and complete energy drain


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quote:

deathslash :
My judgement:

This was one interesting fight. Both posters are using some truly powerful and versatile characters and both posters presented some pretty solid points. Let's see why I choose who I will.

ID's Strengths

*Ballsy plan
*Time manipulation
*Powerful tk
*Psionic armor
*Simple plan
*Powerful tp

ID's Weaknesses
*Doesn't start with psionic armor
*Simple plan
*Flawed plan
*Most of his powers are largely mitigated/ignored by SS

Supermutant's Strengths
*Cosmic awareness
*Energy absorption
*Powerful tk
*Powerful tp
*Energy manipulation
*Solid plan
*Time manipulation

Supermutant's Weaknesses
confused ID never really listed any.

All in all, Nate's tk seizing didn't come off as being that impressive. He seemed about ready to fall unconscious just from using his tk on the elder beasts. What's worse is that he starts without shields and the small amount of time that it's going to take to get them up will give surfer the edge. I honestly don't care if using tk on Supermutant's hammer is cheating or not, I just know that if it is allowed, Surfer can still manipulate the ensuing wave of energy that comes at him from the clanging of the hammers since he's already shown the capability to do that when he used the "crunch" energies against two beings that are roughly as strong as freaking Galactus.

Meanwhile, Supermutant displayed that SS can break through time and space itself, has similar if not outright superior tk, has similar if not outright superior tp, and has a superior game plan.

TL;DR: I have to give the victory to Supermutant for having a better plan, and overall superior scans/feats.


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Borh players made a simple and straigjt dorward attack plan.
Supermutant in his opener partly contradicted himself. First saying that Nate is pure energy then showing Nate turn himself to energy. Since Id never did this it brought a question to my mind IF he could fully absorb Nate as claimed. At first I figured simce Mjilnor was excluded not a problem. Then Id points out that Surfer has to separate the wielder from mjilnor to achieve this. The second scan offered by SM didnt aid his cause because again we see the hammer not in Thors hand when said shield was put up and Surfer outright statinghe would prevent it from returning to him. It is clear from both this is only able to be accomplished if the wielder is not in possession of the hammer and SM jas not done anything to make this the case and Id hasnt thrown it. As such it removed SM's big ploy/gambit from the table.

On the quick draw there is little doubt ID gets shields up while SM is unsucessfully trying to separate mjilnor and nate, which is why Surfer isnt draining Nate as he's raising shields SM states in his second post. Id did state he was entering the BF "raising shields" not with shields raised so not sure why the question even arrises over things done before battle. Also no evidence I saw offered to indicate Surfer could move quick enough to enact two actionswhile Nate did one.

I dont find Id's attempt to freeze Surfers Mjilnor against him illegal on the basis stated as it in no way affects the worthiness of the wielder as he tried in round 1. It is questionably legal due to freezing "time" and as such I am limitimg it to a soace pocket freeze that would temporary at best and something Surfer could free it from. Any counters showing surfer play with time likewise illegal.

The way this plays out in my mind
Battle starts and while Id puts up psionic armor SM tried to put cosmic field around Nate's hammer (which fails as hes holding it). Once Shield's are up the likelihood of removing the hammer from play for Nate is unlikely. This then brings the second actions, where I d puts Surfers hammer in a space pocket (time not within rules) whilst SM tries to drain Nate as SM will now be without the hammer this will reduce his draining ability as will The Shield's of Id. Sufer can free his hammer but this would be at the exlense of being open to Nates continued attack.

Winner Id in a very close one


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One Big Mob wrote on:
I am a biased Surfer fan. I don't know why you'd agree to this, especially when I've never judged a match before. no expression


That being said, I will break this down into what I thought didn't work, or was adequately debated against to prove a non factor, and I will leave what's left at the end, and weigh it.

I do not in any way buy Silver Surfer getting Fallen One's feats. First thing is the name. Second is the Annihilation Wave. Third is he was more powerful than 2 Thanoses. I like that ID threw that out there at the start.

I thought SM's issue with Nate raising shields at the start was sort of a non issue, and ID showed it as well, as well as the issue of seizing the hammer being illegal, which I felt was a clever enough loophole. It'd be like drafting Magneto and assuming he can't at any point turn the hammer back on the attacker. It didn't feel big enough to warrant a full stop and declaration of it being illegal.

That being said, I felt that simply stopping Surfer Thor wasn't proven enough or with enough follow through. Plus SM did a decent job of proving that he could overpower it if it came to it.

As well as at best ID's control over the hammer would create a power struggle if it came to it as shown by SM's inclusion of Surfer's control over gravity similar to Nate's. At worst it wouldn't work as SM mentioned, MM had specific control over metal.

SM showed no actual defense against ID's end game plan "big bang lightning" if it did come to it as well. He just kind of threw out him manipulating the big crunch. So... yeah. Had everything in ID's plan came to fruition and assuming Surfer was in position to manipulate it, he didn't do enough to stop it. He would have lost. I like that he defended against it as a possibility, but he didn't do enough.





So with a large part of the plans stymied, I'll look at what I do think would work based on this battle.

The force field around Mjolnir. Had SM not shown the second scan I don't think this battle would have had an actual conclusion. Both did well enough that the battle depended entirely on this second scan, otherwise I would have likely went for a draw. Both were doing things besides this that it would have simply turned into a blast off, and there was no possible way to determine a winner based off that from this battle. The force field around Mjolnir in Thor's hands is really the only deciding factor that sticks.
ID did not put forth a defense against this. Though he did prove the first field had to happen after the hammer was dislodged from Thor's hand. I don't know if SM was saving the second instance or just forgot it, but it was a crafty placement nonetheless. Very sneaky if the intention was to hold off on it. Very very sneaky.

And of course, the draining. ID put forth no effort to even address this. Which shows his confidence sure, but I mean, his character was shown to be drained fairly easy. It seemed like a thing that really should have been tackled especially since it was there at the start. I was hoping he was going to make a case with how tough Shaman was to drain due to his increase in power, but all it led to was Shaman not being taxed to hold off Surfer. A tactical error on his part.


So anyway, both guys did well enough IMO that the battle is decided purely from holding off Mjolnir in Nate's hands for however long it takes to drain him. Since ID made no effort to speak of how hard it is to drain, it puts all the more importance on that scan. Had him bubbling Mjolnir in Thor's hands NOT existed, I would have likely scored it a draw, even with Nate being that easy to drain. And had Nate been shown as hard to drain, that bubble around Mjolnir wouldn't have been as important. They feed off each other fairly well.


So yeah, my vote goes to Supermutant.




Winner : SuperMutant. Congrats thumb up !


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I want to thank the host, judges, and competitors. Your participation made it fun and special thanks to Mob for stepping up to the plate and getting this match finalized.


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