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Communism

People dont seem to like it at all
its like democracy

Democracy = People have a say in what happens

Communism = People say what happens


Sure might not go the way planned at some stages but thats the same with most governments


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Democracy: People say what happens
Communism: A few people once decided to revolt and now no one can say anythint (well except for a tyrant sometimes)


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Democracy : People give advice to a person who says what happens

Communism : People say what happens

not every communist party is full of tyrants


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there has never been a true communist regime in the world so we cant really gauge whether its better than democracy or not

*cue the USSR and China arguments*

but these are not true communist governments are they?

communism revolves around the basis that everyone works and pays into the national pot then everyone gets an equal share from that pot regardless of what they do to make their money

is this the way either China or the soviet union worked...no...the people who initiated the government had to have the bigger share and so the whole idea falls flat on its face

what i find really hilarious is the way that communism is regarded in the US...the "evil commy bastards" etc

the media have done a sterling job of brainwashing the masses (through fear etc...remind you of anyone elses tactics?) into thinking that communism is a evil concept

but what are the motives behind making people who live in a capatalist democracy that the idea of communism is evil

simple to answer...who controls the media...big buisness tycoons with tons and tons of money...the same people who would be set to lose the most if the people decided to embrace communism

so if you can get the poor people who you exploit to make your money to reject and in fact HATE the idea of communism (which in the US would benefit more people than it would hurt due to equal distribution of massive wealth)...then you keep yourself in money and in power...


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Communism: A few people once decided to revolt and now no one can say anythint (well except for a tyrant sometimes)
that wasnt communism, it was the work of those who used communistic ideas to get into power to then abuse the same communistic ideas to suppress their people by a totalitarian rule of the elite

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Is unfortunate how many communist parties which materialised misused the doctrine. These days opinions of the practice are naturally coloured by the events of the past (for a successful communist party look at the Smurfs. Don't let their blue colour fool you)


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No thats not true

Democracy the people chose people to do what the people want them to do.

In Communism on the other hand not the people but if at all the proletarians decide what to do....and not even them they don't have real freedom they can't decide for how much money they want to sell stuff. Communism is Bullshit.....you know I like Marx but if everyone makes the same amount of money well that is of course great for the idiots and lazy bastards but nothing great comes from it....plus the people have to be forced to agree to that...look at everyx communistic government ever....if humans were machines well then it might work but we are not and hoonestly I liek that we aren't....oh yes read animal farm thats what happens to all communistic regimes in the real world.


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Look at the smurfs indeed
they live in perfect peace with communism


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oh yes read animal farm thats what happens to all communistic regimes in the real world.
no thats what happen when an elite form out of the common.
Communism is an idea that really cant work in real life due to the nature of the people

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Hmm I never considered the smurfs...well maybe they lost there credibility becausen they were 1000 men with just one woman yes I thin k thats possible yes


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Hahaha. Quiet possibly, but then good Communist men don't need women.


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they wanted to be all equal didnt they?


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there has never been a true communist regime in the world so we cant really gauge whether its better than democracy or not


precisely. it is an almost impossible regime to apply, in it's true sense. it would seem efficient, theoretically....but we'll never know

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Well Communism is not evil......its a stupid idea though.....in capitalism everything depends on how much your work is actually worth and that is jsut ths best idea...well if you have a minimum of social security at least.


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Communism is a good thing because everyone is equal in the communist nation, there is no poverty in communism and there are also no spoiled rich people. Its a semi-utopia.


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there is no such thing as a communist nation though, so the idea of a communist state regardless its "good" intention falls flat on its face due to that it is impossible to fulfill

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I think everything that can be said about communism being good or bad has been said here


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Well Communism is not evil......its a stupid idea though.....in capitalism everything depends on how much your work is actually worth and that is jsut ths best idea...well if you have a minimum of social security at least.


so you think that football players do a more worthy job than doctors?

or porn stars do a more worthy job than mothers?

capatalism doesn't remotely revolve around the notion of people getting what their jobs are worth and it never will

capatalism is actually the complete opposite of what you state... the only way profits are made is by people being paid less than what they are worth


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Communism is a good thing because everyone is equal in the communist nation, there is no poverty in communism and there are also no spoiled rich people. Its a semi-utopia.


Actually it is a semi-dystopia
Communism isonly an utopia for lazy people....people that love freedom and want to do their best and reach goals....they get screwed up the but in communist countries....we all know that the capitalism as it was practised during the 19th century was wrong....but jumping to the next extreme is in no way the right choice. A welfare state that safes people that can't help themselves and that also helps children not to live in extreme poverty is good but to let everyone be the same is stpid.....someone that works in a factory doesn't create anything that is worth as much as what a doctor for example does. What has to happen is to give everyone the chance to do something with their life something useful....something great......a nd communism doesn'T really bring that out in humans.

In conclusion....Communism Sucks....its not evil or anything but if I'd life in a communist country I would leave as soon as possible.


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so you think that football players do a more worthy job than doctors?

or porn stars do a more worthy job than mothers?

capatalism doesn't remotely revolve around the notion of people getting what their jobs are worth and it never will

capatalism is actually the complete opposite of what you state... the only way profits are made is by people being paid less than what they are worth



What football players do is worth a hell of a lot of money for many people.....so yes they do something that is worth more to society.

So do porn stars.

So wait a minute....we compare the "Mythological Idea of Communism" with what capitalism is like now? What the f**k?


In the future
Compare the idea of Communism with the Idea of Capitalism
or
Compare States with Capitalism with States with Communism


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