Yeah. Kids wear his shirts, but don't have a clue who the **** he is, much less what he was all about. He's actually quite overrated, and more of a fashion statement than an important historical figure.
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To true, I don't celebrate birthdays of communist terrorists.
Communism only works in theory because Marx that little smartass made it to work theoretically.
Everyone can say Capitalism works in theory and would be right (it'S beside the point that it actually works) because it has to work by definition.
What Marx did was saying everyone gets exactly the amount they need (first of all that'S hard to accomplish) and now here's the tricky part, he also said they will be satisfied with it (this is the point that makes it theoretically work, but never ever practically)
Yep, Che Guevara's image is basically a mass produced brand. Interesting irony, isn't it?If you really think Capitalism is working incredibly well then you are somewhat deluding yourself.
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Why? ...everyone has the same
It is too....we advance much faster with it, and most people (in the capitalistic countries) lead decent lives......and as I said in Theory it would work even better....cause Theory = Bullshit
Oh and I believe Capitalism to work much, much, much better than Communism....or is there any true communist state that can actually surpass any true capitalist state?
There has never been anything resembling a truly communist state that comes to my mind.
In the U.S. - the closest thing to the capitalist theoretical model that comes to mind - capitalism has worked so well that...
20% of the population account for more than 50% of household income.
37 million people live officially in poverty.
About 18% of children live in poverty.
If I recall correctly the U.S. has the highest crime rate, drug abuse rate, and proportion or homeless people in the OECD.
In theory both systems are meant to produce prosperity for all if everyone works hard. In practice that doesn't occur.
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First it's still the Number One Super Power so I guess the system is the best we have.
Second the US has other problems..and there never has been a truly Capitaist system either so that'S not really fair to compare.
I believe there are only Three people that think Communism is something that should be aquired, Medicore or worse people that are not good enough o compete, people that thinkl they can get most out for themself if it would come true (usually politicians) and mayb a few people who actually for one or another reason believe it could bethe best for everyone (although they are obviopusly wrong)
So lets take one of the States that consider themself Comunist just to oppose the US (which by the way is not the most capitalist system ever and probably not even nowadays)
The Soviet Union.
30 000 000+ people starving to death just in the first view years
Every household was spied on and could be put to jail without trial.
After only 70 years the country was so poor and economically at it's limits that they actually had to form a new (now capitalist) government.
way to go for Communism right there....
Oh and that poverty you are talking aboot....it'S only a "felt" poverty....our definition of poverty is very, very strange and stupid.
The US has people that have not much money but you can't call them poor in the sense of people starving to death in Africa.
Let me give you an example of the stupidity of the measurement of poverty in teh UN. Igf everything in Germany would stay exactly the same, no one has less money no one has more....and Bill Gates would move to Germany we would suddenly have more poor people.....can anyone explain that to me. So actually the German people would have 80 000 000 000 $ more but there would still be more poor people....hmm sounds wrong to me.....
The Measuring System is unfair towards Capitalistic system
Because by that definition poor is everyone that has less than 70% of the average income. But is that really poverty? or just a figure that doesn't say anything?
Another exaple....A truly comunist state would have no poor people, let'S say every person in North Corea gets exactly 100$ per year.....that'S not a lot...but by that definition no one would be poor...
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In theory communism is a great idea. In practice it doesn't work at all. Anyone who says there has never been true capitalism is full of s*it. The mostly "wealthier countries" are a myth except China. The US as a nation no longer exists, only large, multinational corporations exist. Countries in the traditional sense are disappearing only to be replaced by corporations. Think governments are evil? Just wait until corporate world control is complete. Communism on paper is a great idea. In reality it goes against human nature, whuch is unlimited greed.
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Firstly the Soviet Union comes nothing close to resembling the theoretical Communist state.
Yes, poverty is a misnoma if one compares wealthy nations with developing nations. So?
Thirdly the poverty line isn't defined by 70% of the average wage in the statistics given. It is defined as roughly a quarter of the median household income. Poverty statistics predominantly don't include the homeless. So the figure given for the proportion of population below the poverty line is under-representative.
Again, in theory both systems are meant to produce prosperity for all if everyone works hard. In practice that doesn't occur with either.
Lastly Bardock24 it's pretty presumptuous to say that other people or other views are "obviopusly wrong" if they disagree with your libertarian views and that they all somehow fit into one of your three very generalised categories.
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