KillerMovies - Movies That Matter!

REGISTER HERE TO JOIN IN! - It's easy and it's free!
Home » Community » General Discussion Forum » A Future Utopia?

A Future Utopia?
Started by: Fallen Jedi

Forum Jump:
Post New Thread    Post A Reply
Pages (3): [1] 2 3 »   Last Thread   Next Thread
Author
Thread
Fallen
Senior Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location:

A Future Utopia?

is this truly possible or are we humans, full of flaws and imperfections, destined and incapable of living in such a perfect existence were everyone is taken care for and there is no hunger, no homeless, no war or violence, nor instability? could we function as a society or would we need to strive for something more than the mundane life of perfection?

Old Post Nov 11th, 2005 03:07 PM
Fallen is currently offline Click here to Send Fallen a Private Message Find more posts by Fallen Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
debbiejo
Dreamer

Gender: Unspecified
Location:

Do you realize the kinds of people on this forum??????? laughing out loud Peace....?????

Last edited by debbiejo on Nov 11th, 2005 at 03:18 PM

Old Post Nov 11th, 2005 03:15 PM
debbiejo is currently offline Find more posts by debbiejo Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
silver_tears
Senior Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location:

No we can't function in perfection. Ambition is one of our greatest flaws. No human being can honestly say they would be happy being exactly like everyone else for the rest of their lives. We can't be equal because of our nature and our need to succeed and rise above others. That's why communism fails, we can't all be at the same level, because lets face it some of us aren't.

So therefore, there will always be war, and other disasters like so erm

Old Post Nov 11th, 2005 03:25 PM
silver_tears is currently offline Click here to Send silver_tears a Private Message Find more posts by silver_tears Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Fallen
Senior Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location:

quote: (post)
Originally posted by silver_tears
No we can't function in perfection. Ambition is one of our greatest flaws. No human being can honestly say they would be happy being exactly like everyone else for the rest of their lives. We can't be equal because of our nature and our need to succeed and rise above others. That's why communism fails, we can't all be at the same level, because lets face it some of us aren't.

So therefore, there will always be war, and other disasters like so erm

i was gonna bring up that point later, but it looks like you beat me to the punch. stick out tongue

i agree. we all strive for something and we all work hard for what we strive for. why should someone else be privilaged to the very same thing if they made less of a commitment? i'm a firm beliver in "what you do is what you get."

Old Post Nov 11th, 2005 03:35 PM
Fallen is currently offline Click here to Send Fallen a Private Message Find more posts by Fallen Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Bardock42
Junior Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location: With Cinderella and the 9 Dwarves

Re: A Future Utopia?

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Fallen Jedi
everyone is taken care for and there is no hunger, no homeless, no war or violence, nor instability?


Well since not everyone sees that as "perfect", no!


__________________

Old Post Nov 11th, 2005 04:12 PM
Bardock42 is currently offline Click here to Send Bardock42 a Private Message Find more posts by Bardock42 Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Alpha Centauri
Restricted

Gender: Unspecified
Location: Ground Zero.

Account Restricted

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Fallen Jedi
why should someone else be privilaged to the very same thing if they made less of a commitment? i'm a firm beliver in "what you do is what you get."


This is exactly right. The main jist of why it won't work. Well, one of the main reasons.

People would eventually think "Why am I being reduced to being like them idiots? I'm better." and so forth. As they'd have the right to.

-AC


__________________


Signature by Starlock.

I review comics and such here: http://welcometothemast.blogspot.com

Old Post Nov 11th, 2005 05:23 PM
Alpha Centauri is currently offline Click here to Send Alpha Centauri a Private Message Find more posts by Alpha Centauri Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
DarkC
-KMC THREAD KILLER-

Gender: Male
Location: Cacapoopoopeepeeshire.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Fallen Jedi
is this truly possible or are we humans, full of flaws and imperfections, destined and incapable of living in such a perfect existence were everyone is taken care for and there is no hunger, no homeless, no war or violence, nor instability? could we function as a society or would we need to strive for something more than the mundane life of perfection?

Unless we somehow reduce our hunger for power and wealth, no.


__________________


Bored? Amuse yourself with Tower Defense!

Old Post Nov 11th, 2005 05:40 PM
DarkC is currently offline Click here to Send DarkC a Private Message Find more posts by DarkC Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
WanderingDroid
THE LOOSE CANNON

Gender: Male
Location: Welfare Kingdom of California

FJ we're full of flaws and imperfections that makes us humans (I think) I don't believe we will ever get a glimpse of a Utopia in our lifetime. And quite frankly it won't matter whether I see it or not. I really won't change my lifestyle, or everyone's else. The illusion of Utopia banishes everytime the world issues aren't resolve or won't be resolve.


__________________

Old Post Nov 11th, 2005 05:41 PM
WanderingDroid is currently offline Click here to Send WanderingDroid a Private Message Find more posts by WanderingDroid Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Devil King
Restricted

Gender: Male
Location: ..Is In Sanity

Account Restricted

Re: A Future Utopia?

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Fallen Jedi
is this truly possible or are we humans, full of flaws and imperfections, destined and incapable of living in such a perfect existence were everyone is taken care for and there is no hunger, no homeless, no war or violence, nor instability? could we function as a society or would we need to strive for something more than the mundane life of perfection?



Utopia is possible. It won't just happen, however. It will have to come through force. Only concentrated population reduction and a program of forced integrating will allow it come about. Those who become responsible for it happening will also have to remain focused on the goal..not allowing themselves to be swayed by temporary indulgence, like money or power. It can happen, though. It's just too bad, that those not willing to accept the differences in humanity will have to be wiped out for it to be possible. Actually, it's too bad that they can't accept differences.


__________________
"If I were you"

"If you were me, you'd know the safest place to hide...is in sanity!

Old Post Nov 11th, 2005 05:55 PM
Devil King is currently offline Click here to Send Devil King a Private Message Find more posts by Devil King Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Scoobless
sselboocS

Gender: Male
Location: The Scoob Cave

Re: Re: A Future Utopia?

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Utopia is possible. It won't just happen, however. It will have to come through force. Only concentrated population reduction and a program of forced integrating will allow it come about. Those who become responsible for it happening will also have to remain focused on the goal..not allowing themselves to be swayed by temporary indulgence, like money or power. It can happen, though. It's just too bad, that those not willing to accept the differences in humanity will have to be wiped out for it to be possible. Actually, it's too bad that they can't accept differences.


didn't the Nazis try that back in the 30's and 40's?


__________________


Do you even KMC???

Old Post Nov 11th, 2005 06:01 PM
Scoobless is currently offline Click here to Send Scoobless a Private Message Find more posts by Scoobless Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
DarkC
-KMC THREAD KILLER-

Gender: Male
Location: Cacapoopoopeepeeshire.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Scoobless
didn't the Nazis try that back in the 30's and 40's?

And look what happened. erm


__________________


Bored? Amuse yourself with Tower Defense!

Old Post Nov 11th, 2005 06:06 PM
DarkC is currently offline Click here to Send DarkC a Private Message Find more posts by DarkC Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Devil King
Restricted

Gender: Male
Location: ..Is In Sanity

Account Restricted

Re: Re: Re: A Future Utopia?

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Scoobless
didn't the Nazis try that back in the 30's and 40's?


Indeed. But, pay attention to the part where I said those responsible must not become swayed by money and power.


__________________
"If I were you"

"If you were me, you'd know the safest place to hide...is in sanity!

Old Post Nov 11th, 2005 06:09 PM
Devil King is currently offline Click here to Send Devil King a Private Message Find more posts by Devil King Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Scoobless
sselboocS

Gender: Male
Location: The Scoob Cave

any forced attempt at Utopia would only be met with resistance and war


__________________


Do you even KMC???

Old Post Nov 11th, 2005 06:12 PM
Scoobless is currently offline Click here to Send Scoobless a Private Message Find more posts by Scoobless Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Devil King
Restricted

Gender: Male
Location: ..Is In Sanity

Account Restricted

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Scoobless
any forced attempt at Utopia would only be met with resistance and war



I'm not going to argue symantics with you. But, that's why that resistance would have to be crushed, their power and ability taken away from them, and those responsible killed.

Sorry, that's what I believe.


__________________
"If I were you"

"If you were me, you'd know the safest place to hide...is in sanity!

Old Post Nov 11th, 2005 06:14 PM
Devil King is currently offline Click here to Send Devil King a Private Message Find more posts by Devil King Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Bardock42
Junior Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location: With Cinderella and the 9 Dwarves

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Utopia is possible. It won't just happen, however. It will have to come through force. Only concentrated population reduction and a program of forced integrating will allow it come about. Those who become responsible for it happening will also have to remain focused on the goal..not allowing themselves to be swayed by temporary indulgence, like money or power. It can happen, though. It's just too bad, that those not willing to accept the differences in humanity will have to be wiped out for it to be possible. Actually, it's too bad that they can't accept differences.


Holy shit, did your uncool nazi brother take over your Account? Not that I don't agree with you partly (depends in what Utopian society you belief) but I didn't expect it from you.


__________________

Old Post Nov 11th, 2005 06:25 PM
Bardock42 is currently offline Click here to Send Bardock42 a Private Message Find more posts by Bardock42 Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Scoobless
sselboocS

Gender: Male
Location: The Scoob Cave

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I'm not going to argue symantics with you. But, that's why that resistance would have to be crushed, their power and ability taken away from them, and those responsible killed.

Sorry, that's what I believe.


a utopia where it's "live our way or die"?

sounds more like a dystopia to me


__________________


Do you even KMC???

Old Post Nov 11th, 2005 06:50 PM
Scoobless is currently offline Click here to Send Scoobless a Private Message Find more posts by Scoobless Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Devil King
Restricted

Gender: Male
Location: ..Is In Sanity

Account Restricted

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Scoobless
a utopia where it's "live our way or die"?

sounds more like a dystopia to me


Nope, not "our way or die". Freedom of religion, freedom of political expression and freedom of choice can all be maintained. This is why I have always preached that concentrated population reduction will be the only gateway to a successful future. I'm not talking about killing jews or gays or muslims. I'm talking about wiping out anyone who isn't concerned with the progress of our species. If that reduction comes from restrictions on breeding or in gas chambers, the end result can be the same.

Maintain knowledge, maintain differences, but when there is no option but successful, peaceful co-existence, then differences in race, creed, orientation and political ideas can be worked through in a more civilized and productive manner.


I know it's an "uncool" point of view, but I believe in it.


__________________
"If I were you"

"If you were me, you'd know the safest place to hide...is in sanity!

Old Post Nov 11th, 2005 07:00 PM
Devil King is currently offline Click here to Send Devil King a Private Message Find more posts by Devil King Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Devil King
Restricted

Gender: Male
Location: ..Is In Sanity

Account Restricted

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Bardock42
Holy shit, did your uncool nazi brother take over your Account? Not that I don't agree with you partly (depends in what Utopian society you belief) but I didn't expect it from you.


I was under the impression that you were my uncool Nazi brother.

But, yes, I believe in this. I'm sure you can see how my past opinions continue to agree with what I'm saying now. I've never swayed from this perspective.


__________________
"If I were you"

"If you were me, you'd know the safest place to hide...is in sanity!

Old Post Nov 11th, 2005 07:02 PM
Devil King is currently offline Click here to Send Devil King a Private Message Find more posts by Devil King Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
KidRock
Senior Member

Gender: Male
Location:

Re: A Future Utopia?

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Fallen Jedi
is this truly possible or are we humans, full of flaws and imperfections, destined and incapable of living in such a perfect existence were everyone is taken care for and there is no hunger, no homeless, no war or violence, nor instability? could we function as a society or would we need to strive for something more than the mundane life of perfection?


Beverly Hills?


__________________

Old Post Nov 11th, 2005 07:08 PM
KidRock is currently offline Click here to Send KidRock a Private Message Find more posts by KidRock Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
silver_tears
Senior Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location:

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Nope, not "our way or die". Freedom of religion, freedom of political expression and freedom of choice can all be maintained. This is why I have always preached that concentrated population reduction will be the only gateway to a successful future. I'm not talking about killing jews or gays or muslims. I'm talking about wiping out anyone who isn't concerned with the progress of our species. If that reduction comes from restrictions on breeding or in gas chambers, the end result can be the same.

Maintain knowledge, maintain differences, but when there is no option but successful, peaceful co-existence, then differences in race, creed, orientation and political ideas can be worked through in a more civilized and productive manner.


I know it's an "uncool" point of view, but I believe in it.


I'm sorry I just don't see how giving people freedoms would work. "Freedom is never free." By allowing them to maintain their religions. political views, and their freedom of choice, this would separate the population and would result in fighting. erm

Old Post Nov 11th, 2005 07:15 PM
silver_tears is currently offline Click here to Send silver_tears a Private Message Find more posts by silver_tears Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
All times are UTC. The time now is 05:59 PM.
Pages (3): [1] 2 3 »   Last Thread   Next Thread

Home » Community » General Discussion Forum » A Future Utopia?

Email this Page
Subscribe to this Thread
   Post New Thread  Post A Reply

Forum Jump:
Search by user:
 

Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is OFF
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON

Text-only version
 

< - KillerMovies.com - Forum Archive - Forum Rules >


© Copyright 2000-2006, KillerMovies.com. All Rights Reserved.
Powered by: vBulletin, copyright ©2000-2006, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.