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HonestReporting Calls Out Time

http://www.honestreporting.com/arti...aught_Lying.asp

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Time Magazine Gets Caught Lying
Time Magazine Contradicts Eye-Witness Account

Would an editor who had never visited the scene of a photograph deliberately contradict the photographer's account of events? Is it possible that someone would change a caption that ends up incorrectly describing what took place? Moreover, would a prominent media outlet accept the claims of a terrorist organization over that of its own photographer?

Sounds hard to believe, but according to recent revelations by a photojournalist, this is exactly what happened with a photograph that was featured in Time Magazine during Israel's conflict with Hizbollah. A few months ago, Time Magazine published the above photograph with the caption below.

[See site.]

Hizbollah propagandists were busy throughout the war claiming that they were achieving military victories. The caption in Time (which was published one week after the incident) would have only given credibility to their claims.

The only problem was: it never happened. What follows is the account of the photographer, Bruno Stevens. (His entire account and anger at having his caption changed can be read on Lightstalkers, a website for professional news photographers)

Around 3:30 pm, I was in the office of Mr. Abisaad, the French press attache at the French Embassy, when Lebanese TV started to show looped footage of a large metallic object falling from the sky and exploding upon touching the ground, the subsequent fire seemed to be massive. The TV announced it as an Israeli jet being shot down over an army base in Kfar Chima about 4 miles from where I was. I took my car and rushed to the scene.

So Stevens rushed out to the scene to take pictures and see if the story broadcast on Lebanese television was accurate. It turns out, the story was not accurate at all. While his initial submission mentioned an "alleged Israeli jet" being shot down, Stevens quickly followed up and clarified that the destruction he photographed was from the explosion of a Hizbollah missile. The caption he submitted in the end makes no mention of an Israeli jet being shot down.

Look carefully at the following reverse angle picture that Stevens shot:

[See site.]

As Stevens himself describes, this picture is:

clearly a medium range ground to ground missile launcher hidden into a large truck that was the target of the Israeli raid. This is a very important piece of evidence showing probable collusion between Hezbollah and the Lebanese Army, there is little doubt that the Lebanese Army was aware of the presence of at least one missile launcher and at least one large missile on their parking lot. The size of the launcher, destroyed a couple of days later from the ground by an unknown party suggest missiles 10 to 14 meters long.

There were 6 to 8 large articulated trucks parked there, making it a very legitimate target for the Israeli Air Force, quite far away from civilian houses.

How does Stevens explain the caption switch. In his own words:

They choose to caption it this way (I had NO control in this matter), they HAD my original caption.

So the on-the-scene photographer collects evidence that this so called Hizbollah "victory" was a lie and in reality the result of a legitimate and successful Israeli attack on a military target. Furthermore, his picture is evidence of cooperation between the "neutral" Lebanese Army and the Hizbollah terror group. Even more compelling was that his pictures show evidence that rocket launchers were being hidden inside civilian trucks. Yet while these issues were ignored by his editors, the same editors rewrote his caption to create a story that never took place, a story that Hizbollah used for propaganda.

Please write to Time Magazine and demand to know why they rewrote their photographer's story to publish an inaccurate "news" item. Ask if there was any action taken against the editor who made up the caption that contradicted the photographer's eye-witness account.

Now, I'm wondering: has anyone had any experience with this website and can say with some certainty that they aren't blowing this out of proportion/otherwise distorting it?


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The Mission statement of HonestReporting is to "make sure that Isreal is presented fairly and accurately." Which likely means "we want to be shown in a positive light."

Yeah, probably biased


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considering the agenda based site, i would guess a 10% chance of it being a warranted claim.
wait to see if its mentioned on fox news, then its a 50/50 chance

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since we're on the topic of rewriting history

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qtr9PccUxI

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Founded by Aish HaTorah to fight perceived bias by being overtly biased. Hoorah.


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since we're on the topic of rewriting history

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qtr9PccUxI

The question is, is there a perfectly legitimate reason for that bar being there? Someone left a comment on that page that most vids from the white house have that bar on there, and if so, then they're not re-writing anything. Someone's just getting their panties in a bundle. And someone else also left a message pointing out the fact that it doesn't make any sense to doctor the video and then leave the uncropped version in plain view on the WH website.


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Not a big surprise really.... Every media outlet, be it left or right rewrites the story's they report. Fox does this another station does that... It happens everywhere. No real surprise.


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The question is, is there a perfectly legitimate reason for that bar being there? Someone left a comment on that page that most vids from the white house have that bar on there, and if so, then they're not re-writing anything. Someone's just getting their panties in a bundle. And someone else also left a message pointing out the fact that it doesn't make any sense to doctor the video and then leave the uncropped version in plain view on the WH website.


tony snow had better start sweating, because it looks like someone's gunnin for his job

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If it takes one new Tony Snow to counter one new Michael Moore, then that's what it takes.


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doh! zing! roll eyes (sarcastic)

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Originally posted by Kinneary
If it takes one new Tony Snow to counter one new Michael Moore, then that's what it takes.

OH SNAAAAP


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You know I love the whole "biased website" argument.

It's funny to me that a REAL source (i.e. a CNN news program when I was arguing liberal bias in the media, or an NBC report when I was arguing that illegal immigrants have caused more deaths in one year than all the deaths of the Iraq war and 9/11 combined).... like the photojournalist who took the photos in this case.....



Isn't considered "accurate" any more, simply because the website that presents the very REAL data is open about wanting you to see a point of view.




It's like not learning math because you know that the teacher wants you to.

His facts are still right, but the presentation is "Biased."

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You know I love the whole "biased website" argument.

It's funny to me that a REAL source (i.e. a CNN news program when I was arguing liberal bias in the media, or an NBC report when I was arguing that illegal immigrants have caused more deaths in one year than all the deaths of the Iraq war and 9/11 combined).... like the photojournalist who took the photos in this case.....



Isn't considered "accurate" any more, simply because the website that presents the very REAL data is open about wanting you to see a point of view.




It's like not learning math because you know that the teacher wants you to.

His facts are still right, but the presentation is "Biased."

erm


so its true because you want it to be, yet when you dont want it to be true, the rules change and rationality dictates that a blatantly bias website cannot be trusted for accuracy. got it

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so its true because you want it to be, yet when you dont want it to be true, the rules change and rationality dictates that a blatantly bias website cannot be trusted for accuracy. got it


quote one time in the 2.5 years at KMC that I've called bullshit on ANY website because of its stated purose.

If the facts are there, they are there.




Name one time.


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quote one time in the 2.5 years at KMC that I've called bullshit on ANY website because of its stated purose.

If the facts are there, they are there.




Name one time.


so than you accept all of deano's links as the truth?
lizard men blowing up the wtc to control and microchip us?
perhaps if i post some 'factual' material from whiteymustdie.com you'll accept it without question?
what a fool you must be no

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so than you accept all of deano's links as the truth?
lizard men blowing up the wtc to control and microchip us?
perhaps if i post some 'factual' material from whiteymustdie.com you'll accept it without question?
what a fool you must be no

I think what sithsaber means is the facts that are presented on Deano's sites may be correct, though the conclusions drawn from them are erroneous.

Having never been to one of Deano's sites, I wouldn't be able to say one way or the other.


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I think what sithsaber means is the facts that are presented on Deano's sites may be correct,


but thats just it. they arent. only a fool trusts information based only on the fact that its from teh intranet. if its not a reputable source it all sounds like *fart* *fart* *crap* to me. am i irrationally sceptical?

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*Shrugs.*

I don't know. I use Wikipedia regularly for my information needs. There's a chance that whatever is written on there is crap, but I take it at face-value.


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Hehehe...time out...hehe.


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