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quote: To Catch a Predator is a reality television show that features a series of hidden camera investigations by the television newsmagazine Dateline NBC devoted to the subject of identifying and detaining potential child sexual abusers who contact minors (or individuals whom they believe to be minors) over the Internet for sexual liaisons. The investigations, which have all been reported by Dateline correspondent Chris Hansen and producer Lynn Keller, are conducted as an undercover sting operation with the help of online watchdog group Perverted-Justice. Since the third installment, law enforcement and other officials have also been involved in the operation, leading to the arrests of most individuals caught in the sting. In an interview with NPR's Neal Conan on Talk of the Nation, Chris Hansen emphasizes that the subjects of his program should be labeled as sexual predators: "We don't label these guys as pedophiles. Pedophiles have a very specific definition, people who are interested in prepubescent sex. What we're talking about here are potential predators".
Is this even moral?
If you dangle a carrot in front of a rabbit, he will chase it so can you call them predators?
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I saw the show about two years ago. I figured it was all a big reality show, a.k.a. staged just like all reality shows are. Like the subjects are completely oblivious to the fact that a big-ass TV camera and full crew is standing around while they're supposed to be exhibiting normal behavior.
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by chithappens
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Is this even moral?
If you dangle a carrot in front of a rabbit, he will chase it so can you call them predators?
Personally I object to the label of "predator" when the "prey" tries to jump in the mouth of it's "predator". But meh.
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Bardock42
Personally I object to the label of "predator" when the "prey" tries to jump in the mouth of it's "predator". But meh.
That assumes that these men aren't online looking for children to **** and we're lurked in by just the decoys.
The way the sting is laid out, the predator contacts the prey, not the other way around, or else it wouldn't be legal.
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Robtard
That assumes that these men aren't online looking for children to **** and we're lurked in by just the decoys.
The way the sting is laid out, the predator contacts the prey, not the other way around, or else it wouldn't be legal.
Yeah, that assumes that innocent until proven guilty. But at least the episodes I have seen always had the "prey" consciously asking for sex, etc. It's just a bit weird.
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Jul 25th, 2008 04:14 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, that assumes that innocent until proven guilty. But at least the episodes I have seen always had the "prey" consciously asking for sex, etc. It's just a bit weird.
Exactly.
It's like a wife telling a gorgeous model to "be around" her husband until he flirts and then she jumps from underneath the table, "Ahhhhhhhhhhhh HA! I knew you cheating mother****er!"
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, that assumes that innocent until proven guilty. But at least the episodes I have seen always had the "prey" consciously asking for sex, etc. It's just a bit weird.
They are innocent until proven guilty; I believe the show states this.
You're wrong, the decoy does't go into "sex talks" until the scum engages first.
As asked by the host on almost every episode, "if the person has a tagline of 'I'm a 14 year old girl', why do you begin talking with her inappropriately in the first place?"
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Jul 25th, 2008 04:18 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Robtard
They are innocent until proven guilty; I belive the show states this.
You're wrong, the decoy does't go into "sex talks" until the scum engages first.
As asked by the host on almost every episode, "if the person has a tagline of 'I'm a 14 year old girl', why do you begin talking with her inappropriately in the first place?"
But they do engage in sex talk and show to be willing. That's what I was referring to.
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Look, this is the thing (just like with all other issues of "saving the kids"):
A child is on the internet having sexual discussions with an adult... WTF is the child doing chatting with an adult anyway? Why hasn't the parent talked to their child about "sexual predators" online?
I don't think a man should be trying to filter through chat rooms to look for willing teenage girls, but at the same time why is the teenager entertaining the idea? I can only take the child innocence thing so far and the parents need to take some blame for that mess.
It's not like getting snatched up on the street or being bribed with candy sweets. It's chatting so you can just click the X on the top right corner.
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Jul 25th, 2008 04:22 PM
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The show smell scripted, to me. No one can be that stupid. One guy got caught twice; on the same show. On 2 different episodes.
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Jul 25th, 2008 04:25 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by chithappens
Look, this is the thing (just like with all other issues of "saving the kids"):
A child is on the internet having sexual discussions with an adult... WTF is the child doing chatting with an adult anyway? Why hasn't the parent talked to their child about "sexual predators" online?
I don't think a man should be trying to filter through chat rooms to look for willing teenage girls, but at the same time why is the teenager entertaining the idea? I can only take the child innocence thing so far and the parents need to take some blame for that mess.
It's not like getting snatched up on the street or being bribed with candy sweets. It's chatting so you can just click the X on the top right corner.
Possibly because one is a child and the other is an adult and the latter should know better than to indulge? No?
If a 14 year old asks you to buy them cigarettes and booze, is it okay for you as an adult to do so because they asked?
Those that just chat don't get busted, it's the ones that show up to the house with the intention of ****ing a kid that do, see?
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Jul 25th, 2008 04:25 PM
chithappens
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Kids are not dumb. Let's stop acting like they can't think.
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by chithappens
Look, this is the thing (just like with all other issues of "saving the kids"):
A child is on the internet having sexual discussions with an adult... WTF is the child doing chatting with an adult anyway? Why hasn't the parent talked to their child about "sexual predators" online?
I don't think a man should be trying to filter through chat rooms to look for willing teenage girls, but at the same time why is the teenager entertaining the idea? I can only take the child innocence thing so far and the parents need to take some blame for that mess.
It's not like getting snatched up on the street or being bribed with candy sweets. It's chatting so you can just click the X on the top right corner.
those guys aren't chatting, they actually go to presumed house of the kid they're talking sexual stuff to
I do believe it was stated a few times in the shows that they couldn't touch those guys unless they actually go to the house because than they undisputedly show their will to continue what they discussed.
Also, I thought such chats in some of the states were illegal but it's been a long while since they showed the shows here...
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by chithappens
Kids are not dumb. Let's stop acting like they can't think.
Non sequiter and a dodge.
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Jul 25th, 2008 04:33 PM
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The kid would not even have a sexual discussion online if their parents talked to them! Why is that so hard to get?
Parents can get their kids to believe a man parted the Red Sea but they can't get them to not have "inappropriate" discussions with adults?
Really, that's hard to believe.
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by chithappens
The kid would not even have a sexual discussion online if their parents talked to them! Why is that so hard to get?
Parents can get their kids to believe a man parted the Red Sea but they can't get them to not have "inappropriate" discussions with adults?
Really, that's hard to believe.
Having sex with a child is not justified by the parent's failing to give the kid internet safety lectures.
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................ The kid should not even be in that situation is what I'm getting @.
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by chithappens
................ The kid should not even be in that situation is what I'm getting @.
So? That's a terrible reason not to try catching child rapists.
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by chithappens
The kid would not even have a sexual discussion online if their parents talked to them! Why is that so hard to get?
Parents can get their kids to believe a man parted the Red Sea but they can't get them to not have "inappropriate" discussions with adults?
Really, that's hard to believe.
Because children always obey their parents and do what they say. Tell me, did you?
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