Many of Us have heard the Quote: "We can judge society by their prisons". I always have that in the back of my mind whenever i go out and see various people running around me. i tend to desocialize myself from them all, i have been doing it since i can remember and its gotten worse since i have traveled and seen 3rd world nations.
I tend to equate the random person i see in society as just an animal no different then those i see in zoos or on discovery channel. Many people see certain behavior to be criminal or uncivilized but i often ask myself that the person is simply being true to one self.
I can understand that some people say that they are not animals and take offense when one is compared to one, then why is every society or culture have some type of similarity and behavior to those of other animal societies, from your common rat to an animal that many believe we are similar to such as the great ape.
I sometimes see Bums Salvaging and scurrying and running into alleys, i see young kids Running around and raising their voice and puffing their chest to another similar aged kid or adult. i then turn around and see a oversize Cop drinking his Coffee and eating his donuts with the assurance and Dominance that can only come from the uniform and Badge but not his own natural Physical dominance that would be given to him by genetics. the cop walking around like the Beta male that he is when the Alpha male is not around.
It bothers me to hear people constantly saying they are not animals they are civilized and are spiritual and supposedly follow some religious or ethical code but all i see is a lie and ignoring of said beliefs.
i then think about the prisons and inmates and how they are treated by supposed enlighten, spiritual and advanced society as nothing more then hypocrisy by the general population. If people actually considered themselves an advance society morally, ethically and legally they would not allow certain behavior outside and within the prison's walls to occur. The prisons serve as a way of shunning and removing unwanted members from the general population/tribe.
i have no problem with that since it is normal but what i do not think is normal is to shun and remove some one who does drugs, steals and murders but turn around and the rest of the society by silent consent to allow crimes to be committed on the criminals but not care justifying it by saying: b/c it is happening to someone they consider to be a criminal and there for deserve it and not so abhorrent .
I find society, laws and ethics more often then not to be a farce a complete and utter joke that are ignored by those in power or authority for their own convenience only applied when it suits them.
Justice isnt impartial as the statue of Blind Lady Justice would have us believe, We as a whole are just very ignorant children running around pretending to know better. the danger of it is that the Laws of Nature have bn overturned by Society. where the pedestrian crime can result in losing one's life and freedom but a Politician, or respected member of society can walk out of court pronouced innocent with a smile on his face and having the highest negative impact on the society as a whole...
To me society is like an insane asylum being run by the inmates. The weak pass judgment on the strong or are ignored or treated like second class citizens, the coward is the authority the courages are imprisoned
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The Judge is more a criminal with their own agenda beyond justice and no one cares or questions them in a society where democracy supposedly rules...
I know it is long i am just vending, here are the Questions:
How do you view society in general in comparison to the animal kingdom like the Great Apes, Wolves and various other animals?
Do you think Society as a whole is more consciously evolved as the Social Laws, moral, or business ethics and supposed Religious preference would have them be?
Do you see Human Society to be hypocritical in its applications of laws and rules?
What is your opinion on our society if you were an Anthropologist and studying our culture what would you see?
If I were an alien, sent to earth to study humans, I'd be amazed at how stupid they were with their energy technology. I would be amazed at how retarded and damming corporations can be, but amazed at how much progress has come from those entities, at the same time.
you know what annoys me? i actually tried to make my OP as short as i could with as little words as possible to make the comparison you made in so nonchalantly.. the whole you being an alien part and studying human society.
If you were an alien, I'd anally probe you with Robtard's dick.
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2 different issues. it is a well documented fact that 99.9 percent of the problems of humanity are causes by around 0.01 percent of its people. namely, leaders and those in places of political/economic/relegios power. democracy is an illusion as is freedom even in the most liberal and progressive places on earth. mass stupidity is a matter of policy and as such, people's valid anger/despair at their unfair position is used{and tainted with the byproducts of such social suffering, like subcultures/relegious aspirations/delusions of hope/hostility to outsiders} by those in power to their own purposes{case in point, the VERY valid anger of average americans over living in perpetually poorer state for the last 35 years used by fox to instigate the teabagging protests which were expectedly tainted with delusions of hope and the expected dicriminatory biases that plague such poor and uneducated communities. this time being directed at the so called liberals/blacks/jews/homosexuals who had taken all their money away}.
it is the LACK of democracy thats the problem. decentralisation of power, no go betweens in matters of voting on legistlature/national decisions etc etc.{i.e. polls continuously show that the large majority of americans want public healthcare and want to draw out of iraq and afghanistan, most never being for the invasion to begin with in spite of the propaganda, most were against the bailout too, as well as opposing the patriot act and dessolution of habeus corpus and magna carta. IF america were a DEMOCRATIC nation then the wishes of th epublic wud be reflected in the affairs of state, no such luck unfortunately}. all state and social instituions are made to keep the status quo of the socioeconomic system and from time to time to act as the tool of the higer ups to show their contempt for the masses{i.e. institutionalised unfairness/humiliaton and cruelty} effectively translating to mockery, based in the egotism of the upper classes.
so the PROBLEM is the fact that minorities rule majorities and there is no democracy and no real education that would give useful knowledge to people.
the SECOND part has to do with the animals issue. i do beleive humans are animals, albeit animals with higher cognitive function evolved to deal with things symbolically.
u see, one is ONLY offended by the comparison to animals if one considers animals to be lowly contemptable things. which i dont. id have no problem calling my potential children "animals" as i think thats nuthing to be offended about or disgusted from. if ANYTHING it is offensice to the ANIMALS to be compared to humans. u see, animals dont KNOW any better and inspite of it can display unbeleivable affection{as any1 with pets wud attest}. they are ruled by instincts and as such, morality doesnt really apply to them. WE however KNOW BETTER, and inspite of it, push massive suffering onto others{and ourselves} and are often content to live in hate and ignorance{relegion being a case in point}. id have to say that ego is probably our biggest enemy here, as individuals. and i personally cant some to sneer at a homeless person salvaging anything from a trash can, i think its sad, but it doesnt arouse the usual response of laughing at sum1's misfortune {calling them an animal etc} to feel better about my position on this earth. incidently, i dont sneer at cats salvaging a trash can either
Re: Re: Re: Modern Society, prisons & Anthropology
LOL. Don't think too much of it: there was an e-mail circulating about, around 2005, that made a huge joke of pretty much all the stupid petty little things that humans do, and how they would appear to an alien species. I searched and searched for that e-mail, on the internets, but I couldn't find it.
You would like it, a bunch. It talks about our obession with our teeth, our bathroom sinks, our mirrors, and it references how we worship those things like they are gods. It was both amusing and philosophically intriguing.
You must be my colleague. Criminology/Anthropology/Sociology major and/or MA?
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I wrote an essay on this subject. There is one very important issue in American justice system which is preventing it from applying ''blind justice'' to everyone. It is the raise of 'victimisation'.
Any crime, regardless of what it is, is very simple divided between the poor violated, and the bad violators. What this does, is that the judgement on the offender is passed to satisfy the feeling of ''revenge'' victims may feel they deserve. This is not how justice is supposed to work.
Judging an individual is supposed to be done in the frame of what is good for society, NOT what is good for an individual, therefore, justice is not supposed to act as a revenge tool for the victims. But it does. Victims should be provided with adequate help outside the actual sentence passing, and their personal feelings and emotions should be left out of the courtroom.
Because this is not the case, if the personal feelings of victims are not satisfied, it is often said that the ''justice was not served''.
This is a problem already, since people, already, equate justice with revenge.
This has a knock on effect on prisons (and the incredible overcrowding, for one) and the treatment of prisoners - the lack of their rehabilitation and efforts to reintegrate them into the society after they have served their term.
Because noone gives a hoot about what happens in prisons, people are free to behave like animals towards other people, using as an excuse that those people deserve no better due to what they have done, been sentenced and are serving their time for.
Did you know that in American prisons, more men are raped inside the prison than women outside in any given year?
In many cases it is the guards who are involved in such violations and beastly actions.
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I like us better. There's a lot of dreamy-eyed romance about animal societies. Heck. It's a jungle out there.
Are you asking, do I think we're living up to our own expectations? I'd say, about as much as Tiger Woods is cured.
To personify, I would see a 14 year old male raised with a respectable if inconsistent sense of ethics. There'd be a strong sense of self-righteous entitlement coupled with minimal long-term planning. I would see great promise...as long as he didn't screw up in a major way.
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Sadly no.. i just traveled a lot for a while and i took some oversea courses mostly to learn about cultures. Also some Military police training/security and a crash course on the society i was visiting and or interacting with from its laws, tradition and the culture in general.. a lot of what i studied was pretty much everything you listed within a few months worth of exams and test to show i was ready to interact with a foreign culture without fear of igniting an international incident. sadly it almost didnt stop me and some of my friends from getting into a bar fight in Bahrain with a Saudi "oil prince".
no, i was not aware of that statistic nor the guards involvement in raping men, although i am aware of their involvement in raping women prisoners.
a lot of this could have and should be easily stopped and controlled by not a necessarily caring warden, judges or review board but one that as least willing to do their job and enforce the law of rule applying it to all.
Any other court case where a person is aware of a crime and does nothing looks the other way covers it up can be charged under various other criminal statutes example: being an Accomplice, Accessory, obstruction of justice or at the very least be fired by a review board.
and yet i dont see many judges, Wardens, prison guards, civilian review boards being paraded out and fired charged with a crime . although we do hear plenty of complaints, written statements and deaths, injuries coming from prisoners that all go unheard of and the few times some government employee is reviewed by lets say the F.B.I or other various agencies they are usually acquitted even when that said person might have a stack of similar complaints any other job would have had the person fired after a few similar complaint out of fear of having some kind of charged dropped on them from anything to criminal neglect.
this is what makes me sick of our society so much so that i no longer have any respect for our society and i am more then willing at times to apply my military experience on those in power and the uncaring apathetic public.
You misunderstand me. My point was : one instance of crime caused by police officer is enough. Just as one instance of a catholic priest molesting a child is enough. It should NEVER happen and the law should come down 10 times as hard on Police officers who commit crimes, as they are legally sworn "To protect and serve". The fact the police officers commit heinous crimes is significant enough to be payed attention to more and not merely all the "nice" shit they do.
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I do misunderstand you. You said it's a significant portion.
I do not know of any use of significant portion other than a portion that is large enough to the whole as to make significance to the study.
For example, .0000001% is not a significant portion.
30%, however, is.
Define where you draw the line at significance. Obviously, it's just 1 officer out of millions being a significant portion...but that's now what "significant portion" means.
That 1 individual should not represent the millions of other law enforcement. It should represent that individual and his or her municipality.
IMO, you're a victim of sensationalizing law enforcement brutality. Shouldn't you focus on the many more occurrences of heroism and service?
If a cop is racist: get him help and/or fire him. If a cop has a drug problem, fire him and send him to prison. Etc. etc.
Hate the bad cop for being bad. But don't hate on cops simply because of the very large exception.
Disregard my entire post if you have evidence of a significant portion of cops being power-hungry, controlling, or shitty things like that. If you do have something like that, I'll STFU, admit I was wrong, and start hating cops in general, with you.
Well you clearly choose not to understand what I mean by "significant", so f*ck it. Clearly there is only one way to interpret that word for you, so it's pointless to even talk to you.
One cop commiting a single murder (and we all know this has happened at least once) is unacceptable and the law should put away hypocritical criminal cops harshly and quickly.
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how would one go about proving corruption internal or otherwise with a government agency that is being accused of corruption itself?
aside from the few that are caught due to the inability to get away with murder and video evidence that was unable to be lost and witnesses whose credibility is unquestionable?
i Dont doubt there many innocent Police officers who take their oaths series and at heart just like i dont doubt that there are many corrupt government officials in law enforcement as well.
knowing about corruption in a police station is pretty easy to do, naming the people individually and getting people to act and investigate is some what harder.
people can walk in request police statements of an arrest, sometimes you are denied or are told they can be grabbed at city hall. sometime it is a choir and made impossible to get that far, another is to get names badge numbers and try to get information of the officers involved in the arrest or that were around many times if you cant get names during the arrest it is almost impossible to track down who was there.
The only thing that has made it some what easier is cameras if ppl thing corruption isnt a problem because there are few instances that they know about they need to look at the internet read instances and even watch various hidden cameras of police officers who are corrupt.
corruption doesnt stop or start with one individual caught member of the force but it is a situation that was allowed to breed and occur that made it easy for a corrupt cop to get away for so long with such behavior. One corrupt cop that is caught on tape doesnt mean that was his 1st time showing such behavior.
i saw a news report video a while ago where over 10 police officers quit the force along with medics and firefighters as a sign of solidarity that they would no longer stand bye and watch corruption of an entire police force and sighted instances of trying to acquit an innocent man with actual evidence and witnesses which went unheard and ignored by various ppl up the chain of command and even up the mayor office.. sad part nothing has bn made of it ppl still have their jobs precincts arent closed district attorneys arent being investigated..
the problem is apathetic behavior allows such behavior to flourish at least that is my take. my experience of how we stamped out such behavior before it got out of hand when i was in the military was to act investigate and not allow recurrances at least three complaints and its done. Not that there isnt bad apples in the service but i doubt the numbers are as high as a civilian counterpart similar population.
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i just traveled a lot for a while and i took some oversea courses mostly to learn about cultures. Also some Military police training/security and a crash course on the society i was visiting and or interacting with from its laws, tradition and the culture in general.. a lot of what i studied was pretty much everything you listed within a few months worth of exams and test to show i was ready to interact with a foreign culture without fear of igniting an international incident. sadly it almost didnt stop me and some of my friends from getting into a bar fight in Bahrain with a Saudi "oil prince".
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