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if harnessing free energy was somehow discovered by science, and if it is used it might collaps the universe.

1.will scientist still try to use it dispite that.
2. what if it didnt collaps the universe what would be the pros and cons of it.

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if harnessing free energy was somehow discovered by science, and if it is used it might collaps the universe.

1.will scientist still try to use it dispite that.
2. what if it didnt collaps the universe what would be the pros and cons of it.

Free energy would not collapse the universe, because if it did, it would not be free energy.

Colossus-Big C what would free energy be?

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Free energy would not collapse the universe, because if it did, it would not be free energy.

Colossus-Big C what would free energy be?

I think he means zero-point energy.

Free energy is already available.

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Re: Free Energy

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if harnessing free energy was somehow discovered by science, and if it is used it might collaps the universe.

1.will scientist still try to use it dispite that.
2. what if it didnt collaps the universe what would be the pros and cons of it.

What evidence do you have to suggest that using something that is part of the universe (in this hypothetical) would collapse it entirely? People made the same outrageous claims about the LHC, and look where that got them.

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I think he means zero-point energy.

Free energy is already available.

Zero-point energy takes a lot more energy to be free from the void.

How can there be such a thing as free energy? Energy is always conserved and entropy always rises.

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What evidence do you have to suggest that using something that is part of the universe (in this hypothetical) would collapse it entirely? People made the same outrageous claims about the LHC, and look where that got them.

well..i guess your right

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Free energy is already available.

Define what you mean by free energy here.

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slaves

Slaves aren't free. They have an initial purchasing cost at the slave auction and then you have to feed them and maintain them, otherwise they start to break down and then it will cost even more to repair them.

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Slaves aren't free. They have an initial purchasing cost at the slave auction and then you have to feed them and maintain them, otherwise they start to break down and then it will cost even more to repair them.

I was going to go down that path, but i was afraid someone would call me a racist.

You racist! laughing out loud

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What do you mean by "Free Energy"?

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What do you mean by "Free Energy"?

I don't think he knows. If he did, the initial explanation of free energy would have been more clear so as to disambiguate the premise.

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even if it did collapse the universe it would take billions of yrs traveling at light speed as it tears down or collapse in on itself

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Zero-point energy takes a lot more energy to be free from the void.

How can there be such a thing as free energy? Energy is always conserved and entropy always rises.

Free energy = potential or kinetic energy that one does not have to pay or exchange goods for.

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Free energy = potential or kinetic energy that one does not have to pay or exchange goods for.

That =/= What anybody means when they talk about "free energy"

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That =/= What anybody means when they talk about "free energy"

That = what I was talking about and what others asked me to clarify, though.

Don't forget, my meanings about things I say are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what others think they mean.

Also, my first post quite clearly clarifies what I meant and what I thought the thread starter meant.

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like a battery that can run for ever

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like a battery that can run for ever

So for B you want to know the pros and cons of an object that is more massive than the entire universe? Well the first thing that comes to mind is that by virtue of existing it has destroyed the entire universe.

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how would size make a battery eternal?

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how would size make a battery eternal?

It's a requirement.

Let's use a more subdued example since it's a bit more illustrative. A magical 2lb battery can provide 80x10^16 Joules of energy during it's life. Very elementary relativistic physics (e=mc^2) tells that every pound of the battery weights ten pounds, which is a logical nightmare.

Now we want infinite energy from a 2lb battery. Now every pound of the battery has infinite mass, which is a slightly less obvious bit of nonsense.

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