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Military on rape victim: "She was asking for it"
quote: WASHINGTON – A group of U.S. veterans who say they were raped and abused by their comrades want to force the Pentagon to change how it handles such cases.
More than a dozen female and two male current or former service members say servicemen get away with rape and other sexual abuse and victims are too often ordered to continue to serve alongside those they say attacked them.
In a federal class-action lawsuit filed Tuesday that names Defense Secretary Robert Gates and his predecessor, Donald Rumsfeld, they want an objective third party to handle such complaints because individual commanders have too much say in how allegations are handled.
The alleged attackers in the lawsuit include an Army criminal investigator and an Army National Guard commander. The abuse alleged ranges from obscene verbal abuse to gang rape.
In one incident, an Army Reservist says two male colleagues raped her in Iraq and videotaped the attack. She complained to authorities after the men circulated the video to colleagues. Despite being bruised from her shoulders to elbows from being held down, she says charges weren't filed because the commander determined she "did not act like a rape victim" and "did not struggle enough" and authorities said they didn't want to delay the scheduled return of the alleged attackers to the United States.
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"The problem of rape in the military is not only service members getting raped, but it's the entire way that the military as a whole is dealing with it," said Panayiota Bertzikis, who is a plaintiff in the lawsuit and claims she was raped in 2006. "From survivors having to be involuntarily discharged from service, the constant verbal abuse, once a survivor does come forward your entire unit is known to turn their back on you. The entire culture needs to be changed."
Although The Associated Press normally does not identify the victims of sexual assault, the plaintiffs in the lawsuit have publicly discussed the cases.
Bertzikis, 29, of Somerville, Mass., now is executive director of the Military Rape Crisis Center. She says she was raped by a Coast Guard shipmate while out on a social hike with him in Burlington, Vt. Bertzikis complained to her commanding officer, but she said authorities did not take substantial steps to investigate the matter. Instead, she said, they forced her to live on the same floor as the man she had accused and tolerated others calling her a "liar" and "whore."
Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said in a statement that sexual assault is a wider societal problem and that Gates has been working to ensure the military is doing all it can to prevent and respond to it.
"That means providing more money, personnel, training and expertise, including reaching out to other large institutions such as universities to learn best practices," Morrell said. "This is now a command priority, but we clearly still have more work to do in order to ensure all of our service members are safe from abuse."
The military had already planned to roll out a new hotline victims can call in April, said Pentagon spokeswoman Cynthia Smith. It has another initiative that encourages service members to help those who are assaulted or raped. In 2005, the military created an office charged with preventing sexual assault. Victims can opt to file a "restricted" or confidential report that allows them to get medical attention without an investigation being triggered.
Sarah Albertson, a former Marine corporal who is one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit, said one of the hurdles in getting improvements in the system is that military commanders do not want any marks on their record such as a rape in their unit. Albertson alleges she reported she was raped in 2006 by a fellow Marine, but instead of helping her, she was forced to live one floor below the alleged perpetrator for two years.
"People who did believe me and had my back and were supportive of me were still telling me, 'Don't tell anybody about this, don't go to the public, don't let this get out because it will make the military look bad,'" Albertson said.
In many of the described cases, no charges were filed. In other cases, the alleged attackers faced lesser charges and were allowed to remain in the military, according to the lawsuit.
Kori Cioca, 25, of Wilmington, Ohio, described being hit in the face by a superior in one incident in 2005 and being raped by the same man in a second incident soon after while serving in the Coast Guard in Bay City, Mich.
Even though the man confessed to having sex with her, Cioca said in the lawsuit she was told if she pressed forward with reporting the sex as a rape, she would be court-martialed for lying. She said the man pleaded guilty only to hitting her and his punishment was a minor loss of pay and being forced to stay on the base for 30 days. She said she was discharged from the military for a "history of inappropriate relationships."
"You think of a Coast Guardsman, you think of somebody in the military holding themselves at a certain level," Cioca said. "When somebody walks up to you and shakes your hand and says, `Thank you for your service,' little do they know they're shaking the hand of a man who rapes and beats women in the military. "
She said she continues to suffer from numbness in her jaw and has nightmares.
"My body hurts every day. My face hurts. I get the most horrible headaches. My body has been trespassed. The honor that I had was stripped from me. I'm no longer proud of myself. People tell me thank you for your service, but my service wasn't what it was supposed to be," Cioca said.
Anuradha Bhagwati, 35, executive director of the Service Women's Action Network, said the Defense Department's own statistics show that fewer than one in five of these cases are even referred for court martial. She said unit commanders are the judge and the jury in these types of cases. Too often, she said, perpetrators are given non-judicial punishments.
"A lawsuit like this is needed because change cannot happen on the inside. DoD has had literally decades, perhaps more, to change the culture within the military. They've proven that they can't, and even the minor changes they've made the last few years are so superficial," Bhagwati said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110215...ry_sexual_abuse
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Feb 16th, 2011 12:50 AM
tsilamini
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Democracy Now! used to cover this on a very regular basis, stuff that it was really difficult to listen to.
Hopefully they get some resolution from the lawsuit, justice needs to be done in this case.
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Feb 16th, 2011 01:28 AM
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Anyone else think of The General's Daughter?
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Feb 16th, 2011 04:43 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Anyone else think of The General's Daughter?
I did, completely. It reminded of The General's Daughter multiple times.
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Feb 16th, 2011 07:19 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by inimalist
Democracy Now! used to cover this on a very regular basis, stuff that it was really difficult to listen to.
Hopefully they get some resolution from the lawsuit, justice needs to be done in this case.
I argee but it will not be easy.
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Feb 16th, 2011 02:30 PM
Deadline
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Pisses me off. This is the sort of shit I'm talking about, people think we have progressed but theres still alot that needs to be done.
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Feb 16th, 2011 04:46 PM
Darth Piggott
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Yea the Military doesn't care about it employees. They boast about how they will severly punish sexual abusers, but yet they don't kick them out. You can get kicked out for drinking and driving but rape is a joke to them? Really?
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Feb 19th, 2011 02:50 PM
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i see things never change.
a lot of times NCIS is called in a lot of ppl mistakenly take it to chain of command rather then straight to the legal office and requesting mass which cannot be denied.
the problem is that victims are often treated as equally guilty parties which keeps them from immediately calling or filing criminal/sexual assault charges.
than you also have to consider how many women in the military cry wolf which isnt reported but it is a lot. one of the reasons that certain officers and chain of command would be more willing to dismiss under false assumptions.
Sections also often have something to lose from being shut down reassigned if reported which is a another reason to cover it up since militarily some of the blame can be placed on chain of command effecting their rank and promotional qualification to even dismissal or legal action against them... a reason to try and downplay and cover up such reports.
another issue is that the military legal system can and is by necessity black and white, right and wrong and very little in between. Which can cause certain "evidence" statements thrown out and even though the accused may be found guilty and harshly punish by the USMJ it also requires similar actions be taken to the victim who may willingly or unknowingly committed criminal violations...
as an old barracks, Anonymous, safety NCO i seen a lot of shite and been part of a lot of shite that happen in my area and seen the military system at work.
right down to similar thing that has mention in the OP and often times i was as angry toward the accused as i was for the victim both sharing equal blame.
Female sleeping with chain of command, NCO's forcing themselves on their Junior female Marines to the point charges arent filed b/c the female had willingly slept with him in the past and would be brought up and she would then later be charged as well.
anyways... it all sickens me.
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Feb 19th, 2011 04:04 PM
Nephthys
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'Did not struggle enough?' Are they ****ing serious with that ****ing bullshit? Is there some quantifiable ****ing unit of measurement to how much someone needs to struggle for it to be rape?
**** the world man, seriously.
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Feb 19th, 2011 05:23 PM
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probably should get Sin i am take on this, she being prior military and NCo/SNco... i am sure she has some special insight being in a position of authority and having bn military.
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Feb 19th, 2011 05:32 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Nephthys
'Did not struggle enough?' Are they ****ing serious with that ****ing bullshit? Is there some quantifiable ****ing unit of measurement to how much someone needs to struggle for it to be rape?
**** the world man, seriously.
Is it wrong to want to castrate the soldiers?
Feb 19th, 2011 08:56 PM
Darth Piggott
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Not at all, it would make people think twice, before attempting to force themselves on someone else.
Or they could issue Rape-aXe, that would scare the crap out of any guy!
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Feb 21st, 2011 08:36 AM
Leo.M
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Wow thats messed up. I never would have thought the military would go so low. It's Pathetic.
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Feb 21st, 2011 10:11 AM
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How come so many guys on the web are Man-ginas?
A male feminist. A man who is overly concerned with women's issues to the point of complacency or contempt for those of his own gender
Many women cry rape and or lead guys on.
Mar 18th, 2011 11:44 PM
dadudemon
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by GaDaffy Duck
Many women cry rape and or lead guys on.
I think the FBI's finding was between 5-10% "cried wolf." That's a small minority.
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Mar 19th, 2011 04:20 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by dadudemon
I think the FBI's finding was between 5-10% "cried wolf." That's a small minority.
1 in 10 or 1 in 20 not that small, if you're one of the 1 in 10 men who is falsely accused Man-gina.
Mar 19th, 2011 11:21 AM
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