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Much is spoken about suicide, many believe it is an act of cowardice. Others see it as brave to face death. I believe life is a choice we decide to make each and everyday. I think most adults age 35 and up have at sometime contemplated ending it for themselves. I've never understood why it's against the law. After all going too prison really would show you how great life can be after failing to kill yourself because the noose gave way or you miscalculated the lethal dose.

Does Society have the right to interfere? Is suicide ever justifiable?

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I believe that suicide is for people who can't handle the real world. It is the cowards way out. I've thought about it, 99% of the population has. But I know not to act on it.


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I don't consider it cowardice... suicide, when in reference to dealing with problems is more or less a mental health issue as opposed to any form of cowardly act...

I think by dismissing these cases as acts of cowardice will only make the person contemplating it think that much lower of themselves.


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I believe that suicide is for people who can't handle the real world. It is the cowards way out. I've thought about it, 99% of the population has. But I know not to act on it.


Saw that thread and given the initial post it seemed to have no focus.

So you've thought about it? How old are you if I may ask?

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I don't consider it cowardice... suicide, when in reference to dealing with problems is more or less a mental health issue as opposed to any form of cowardly act...

I think by dismissing these cases as acts of cowardice will only make the person contemplating it think that much lower of themselves.


Very balanced in my opinion, do you think though beyond a mental health issue it might be a way of saving others pain.

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Everyone goes through pain, suffering, self-esteem issues, depression, money problems, and yet, we all haven't killed ourselves.

I believe that the weak will die, the strong will survive. It's cruel sounding yes, but it's true.


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I think suicide is painless. It brings on many changes.


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I think suicide is painless. It brings on many changes.


A lot of truth in the next line methinks.

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Very balanced in my opinion, do you think though beyond a mental health issue it might be a way of saving others pain.


I understand this point, I am not so sure however on whether I agree or not. Allowing the patient to take the easy way out gives doctors an excuse to not follow through on the treatment. I feel as if this is a testament to western medical practices in that they only look for treatments - not cures.


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A lot of truth in the next line methinks.


There is, but I chose to focus on these.


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Originally posted by Utsukushii
Everyone goes through pain, suffering, self-esteem issues, depression, money problems, and yet, we all haven't killed ourselves.

I believe that the weak will die, the strong will survive. It's cruel sounding yes, but it's true.


It's degrees of suffering, say a vet with PTSD who has fought in multiple battles returns and the picture in his head crush him or a man has bagged and tagged lots of dead children or someone has a terminal disease that is causing incredible suffering to them.

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I understand this point, I am not so sure however on whether I agree or not. Allowing the patient to take the easy way out gives doctors an excuse to not follow through on the treatment. I feel as if this is a testament to western medical practices in that they only look for treatments - not cures.


What about if the individual who commits it is in great pain or has simply seen more than their brain can take. People have different levels of tolerance and most people see little death and destruction.



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There is, but I chose to focus on these.


I can well see why

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Again, I see the point you are making here. I certaintly wouldn't criminalise suicide as many nations have... that seems counter-productive.

I think that 100% effort should be made to get these people help before making any decisions based on life and death.


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I believe that suicide is for people who can't handle the real world. It is the cowards way out. I've thought about it, 99% of the population has. But I know not to act on it.


As often Doug Stanhope is completely correct about suicide:

If it was the coward's way out, everyone would be doing it. Most people are not that brave. Sure it's sad when a kid kills himself, he didn't really give life a chance. But life is like a movie, if the first two-thirds of it sucked, it's probably not gonna get really good right at the end, and no one should blame them for walking out early.


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As often Doug Stanhope is completely correct about suicide:

If it was the coward's way out, everyone would be doing it. Most people are not that brave. Sure it's sad when a kid kills himself, he didn't really give life a chance. But life is like a movie, if the first two-thirds of it sucked, it's probably not gonna get really good right at the end, and no one should blame them for walking out early.


You are brilliant sometimes, I love that quote and your sarcasm does amuse me.

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You are brilliant sometimes, I love that quote and your sarcasm does amuse me.


Why, thank you, stranger...


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Again, I see the point you are making here. I certaintly wouldn't criminalise suicide as many nations have... that seems counter-productive.

I think that 100% effort should be made to get these people help before making any decisions based on life and death.


Agreed, I know a man and you'll love this- :-( who was arrested and refused medication by the british police during an interview. He was then released without charge and he was on shit loads of anti depressants and had tried to top himself twice. Can we say missed duty of care?

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Why, thank you, stranger...


No problem.. :-)

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Agreed, I know a man and you'll love this- :-( who was arrested and refused medication by the british police during an interview. He was then released without charge and he was on shit loads of anti depressants and had tried to top himself twice. Can we say missed duty of care?


Why was he in custody? For attempted suicide?


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I think suicide can be a very selfish act, if you have loved ones.

It can be justifiable, even assisted, if someone has a terminal illness and they are suffering.


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