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Stop and Frisk. is this racism or not?

The NYPD’s stop-and-frisk practices raise serious concerns over racial profiling, illegal stops and privacy rights. The Department’s own reports on its stop-and-frisk activity confirm what many people in communities of color across the city have long known: The police are stopping hundreds of thousands of law abiding New Yorkers every year, and the vast majority are black and Latino.

An analysis by the NYCLU revealed that about 3 million innocent New Yorkers were subjected to police stops and street interrogations from 2004 through 2010, and that black and Latino communities continue to be the overwhelming target of these tactics. Nearly nine out of 10 stopped-and-frisked New Yorkers have been completely innocent, according to the NYPD’s own reports:

* In 2004, 315,483 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
279,754 were totally innocent (89 percent)
156,056 were black (50 percent)
90,468 were Latino (29 percent)
29,000 were white (9 percent)
* In 2005, 399,043 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
351, 842 were totally innocent (88 percent)
196,977 were black (49 percent)
115, 395 were Latino (29 percent)
40,837 were white (10 percent)
* In 2006, 508,540 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
458,104 were totally innocent (90 percent)
268,610 were black (53 percent)
148,364 were Latino (29 percent)
53,793 were white (11 percent)
* In 2007, 468,732 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
407,923 were totally innocent (87 percent)
242,373 were black (52 percent)
142,903 were Latino (31 percent)
52,715 were white (11 percent)
* In 2008, 531,159 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
465,413 were totally innocent (88 percent)
271,602 were black (51 percent)
167,111 were Latino (32 percent)
57,407 were white (11 percent)
* In 2009, 575,304 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
504,594 were totally innocent (88 percent)
308,941 were black (54 percent)
179,576 were Latino (31 percent)
53,466 were white (9 percent)
* In 2010, 601,055 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
517,458 were totally innocent (86 percent)
317,642 were black (53 percent)
190,491 were Latino (32 percent)
55,083 were white (9 percent)
* During the first six months of 2011, 362,150 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
317,376 were totally innocent (88 percent)
184,186 were black (51 percent)
119,853 were Latino (33 percent)
33,805 were white (9 percent)


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so, in this thread are you going to pretend to be martyred by social convention or defended it tooth and nail?































































































































































































































yes, this is trolling, I wont mention it again


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Any comments that pertain to this subject?


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the police are overbearing and racist?

obvious facts are obvious


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Re: Stop and Frisk. is this racism or not?

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Nearly nine out of 10 stopped-and-frisked New Yorkers have been completely innocent


This is what we would expect even with a nearly perfect system for identifying criminals.

The absolute numbers are what's stunning. With no repeats that's one in twenty New Yorkers getting stopped per year.


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This is what we would expect even with a nearly perfect system for identifying criminals.

The absolute numbers are what's stunning. With no repeats that's one in twenty New Yorkers getting stopped per year.



Yep, and what's worse is on the news last night a cop was said to have been put under review for arresting an innocent African American male, and was quoted saying something like "Alright!!! I fried another n@gger. Oh yeah, and Bloomberg appeared o be defending the practice of Stop and Frisk, stating that it was to protect the community from criminal elements.


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Who cares if it's racist? Blacks are more likely to commit crimes.


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Who cares if it's racist? Blacks are more likely to commit crimes.


I minimally agree with you.

The "larger picture" would have blacks being frisked in proportion to their share of the crimes committed that necessitated frisking.

Meaning, if blacks, in New York, were likely to commit 24% of the crimes committed that would involved something that could have been prevented with frisking, then you should see 24% of those frisked being black.

Capisce?


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it is wrong!

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This is legal procedure that is being done not only in the US, but the rest of the world.

And yes, it is racist. What can we do, it's the way of the world. De Rothchilds' Law.


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Maybe some cops are but not all of them. To them it is getting the one who did the crime not by what race or Religion they are.


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Black people are more likely to commit crime than any other ethnicity.
So yes they should be stopped and frisked by the police at any random time.


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Originally posted by dadudemon
I minimally agree with you.

The "larger picture" would have blacks being frisked in proportion to their share of the crimes committed that necessitated frisking.

Meaning, if blacks, in New York, were likely to commit 24% of the crimes committed that would involved something that could have been prevented with frisking, then you should see 24% of those frisked being black.

Capisce?

Trying to put hard numbers on the number of persons frisked is a waste of energy. Personally, I don't care if they frisk one race over another; I'm merely saying that crying "dats rayciss" over it is stupid.

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The sole purpose of this unconstitutional practice is to boost marijuana arrests.

simple possession of a small amount of pot in nyc is a violation, not a crime. however once the victim is ordered/tricked by their friendly officer into taking it out of their pockets with their own hands, they are guilty of an actual crime, since having pot out in public view is indeed a crime.

while the overwhelming majority of marijuana distribution, possession and use are caucasian, the victims are typically if not exclusively black...for several reasons:

-they are more often lower-middle class to poverty level means they cannot easily afford a competent criminal lawyer, as would a white person.

-said lower-middle class to poverty level black youths will often dress in a manner for them to be marked by police. (looking young and black)

-to practice this on white people would lead to an immediate backlash and shutting down of the practice.

-a substantial portion of new yorkers will look the other way if not openly support exclusive laws restricting black people. some for racist motives and others who feel that the ends justifies the means.

-a drop in other crimes. but since the initial violation has no direct connection to other crimes, the same logic could be stretched to its ends: jail everyone for even the most minor infractions = no more crime.

-constant streaming revenue.


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Trying to put hard numbers on the number of persons frisked is a waste of energy. Personally, I don't care if they frisk one race over another; I'm merely saying that crying "dats rayciss" over it is stupid.


I think I get what you're saying:

If someone launched you into space a couple of thousand miles and forced you to look at the Earth, you'd still say it was flat.


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Who cares if it's racist? Blacks are more likely to commit crimes.
Are they more likely to commit crimes or are they more likely to be charged and convicted for crimes?


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I think I get what you're saying:

If someone launched you into space a couple of thousand miles and forced you to look at the Earth, you'd still say it was flat.
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Are they more likely to commit crimes or are they more likely to be charged and convicted for crimes?
Brodock with the logic smash.


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Originally posted by majid86
Black people are more likely to commit crime than any other ethnicity.
So yes they should be stopped and frisked by the police at any random time.


That is true. But white people are also frisked by cops including my sister who did report the cop after he took advenge of it. smile


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Black people are more likely to commit crime than any other ethnicity.
So yes they should be stopped and frisked by the police at any random time.



Weird thing here is that at one mall in Livinston NJ, I asked the head of security which ethnicity did they bust more frequently, and to my surprise, the ethnicity that came out of his mouth was not black people.


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Re: Stop and Frisk. is this racism or not?

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The NYPD’s stop-and-frisk practices raise serious concerns over racial profiling, illegal stops and privacy rights. The Department’s own reports on its stop-and-frisk activity confirm what many people in communities of color across the city have long known: The police are stopping hundreds of thousands of law abiding New Yorkers every year, and the vast majority are black and Latino.

An analysis by the NYCLU revealed that about 3 million innocent New Yorkers were subjected to police stops and street interrogations from 2004 through 2010, and that black and Latino communities continue to be the overwhelming target of these tactics. Nearly nine out of 10 stopped-and-frisked New Yorkers have been completely innocent, according to the NYPD’s own reports:

* In 2004, 315,483 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
279,754 were totally innocent (89 percent)
156,056 were black (50 percent)
90,468 were Latino (29 percent)
29,000 were white (9 percent)
* In 2005, 399,043 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
351, 842 were totally innocent (88 percent)
196,977 were black (49 percent)
115, 395 were Latino (29 percent)
40,837 were white (10 percent)
* In 2006, 508,540 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
458,104 were totally innocent (90 percent)
268,610 were black (53 percent)
148,364 were Latino (29 percent)
53,793 were white (11 percent)
* In 2007, 468,732 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
407,923 were totally innocent (87 percent)
242,373 were black (52 percent)
142,903 were Latino (31 percent)
52,715 were white (11 percent)
* In 2008, 531,159 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
465,413 were totally innocent (88 percent)
271,602 were black (51 percent)
167,111 were Latino (32 percent)
57,407 were white (11 percent)
* In 2009, 575,304 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
504,594 were totally innocent (88 percent)
308,941 were black (54 percent)
179,576 were Latino (31 percent)
53,466 were white (9 percent)
* In 2010, 601,055 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
517,458 were totally innocent (86 percent)
317,642 were black (53 percent)
190,491 were Latino (32 percent)
55,083 were white (9 percent)
* During the first six months of 2011, 362,150 New Yorkers were stopped by the police.
317,376 were totally innocent (88 percent)
184,186 were black (51 percent)
119,853 were Latino (33 percent)
33,805 were white (9 percent)


Do you have the % figures of the ones that weren't "totally innocent"?


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