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Mairuzu
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No Kony talk?

No ones talking about this bull shit scam?

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probably because its a scam...


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A scam that is working with flying colors. Obama's campaign is doing work. Vietnam. Iraq. Afghansitan. Africa and Iran here we come.

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Obama didn't send us into Vietnam, Iraq, or Afganistan. He sent us into Lybia.

I assume you're talking about the short documentary. What about it do you think is a scam? (I haven't seen it personally)


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I know who's gonna be playing him in the film version.


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Well, the Invisible Children campaign hasn't clearly defined what the money is going toward. The Obama administration hasn't sent any signals that they ever planned to remove the troops we have stationed in Uganda that are helping to track Kony. And it's unclear how the money being donated will have a tangible affect. I'm not saying IC can't make a difference with their funding, but hey don't actually have a clear outline of how to do it.

And, on a more sobering and cynical note, Uganda has human rights abuses all over the place, and nothing resembling a democracy. Eliminating Kony would be a step in the right direction, but a very small step.

There's also claims that the video has some misinformation.

So yes, possible scam.

No one doesn't want the guy eliminated. There isn't two sides to that discussion. But the apathy and backlash is due to skepticism over the fundraising combined with the fact that many people don't think that, say, signing a Facebook petition will affect a third world war villain.


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^ Agreed. Kony hasnt been seen and hasnt been active since 2006. Where was everyone then? Now everyone and their mother is on it, literally. People on my facebook, kids even, that never express their concern for world views are posting this "support the international effort to arrest him."

The video even goes as far as showing the IC crew cheering that Obama will send in 100 troops... 5 years after the fact.

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Obama didn't send us into Vietnam, Iraq, or Afganistan. He sent us into Lybia.

I assume you're talking about the short documentary. What about it do you think is a scam? (I haven't seen it personally)


Would have been weird if obama did send us into vietnam. All young and stuff. I'm talking about this country as a whole and their expansion accross the globe. stick out tongue



As for why I think its a scam... I think its simply propaganda. Just like iraq. Obama is looking for reelection. I believe its how this video was so widely spread in a matter of hours. I hear complains of youtube viewers all the time stating that they purposely dont update their view counts even when the amount of "like" exceeds the amount of "views" yet in this particular case I watched all day as the view count went from 1 million to 4 million to 7 million to 32 million and now after a few days we see its at 50+ million. All this im saying is speculation of course but I'd like to think I have a good grasp on common sense.

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I hate pricks that exploit children to their own gain. Kony is an evil piece of shit, and I have considered supporting the movement myself. It's only a couple of bucks per month, so if it's a scam It's not like I'm being taken for millions of dollars. However, if it is real, and this bastard is caught because of little people like me, then great. No more children forced to kill their parents, or little girls forced into prostitution by this particular cretin. This is what we were put on this earth to do people, to help each other. No?


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Obamas gonna need more than a terrorists head under his belt to gain a re election.

these new policies are gonna fk that up

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Obamas gonna need more than a terrorists head under his belt to gain a re election.

these new policies are gonna fk that up

not that I care no expression



You think the guy after Obama will do better? Lol it's just going to be more of the same old shit, except the pressure to pay more taxes than the rich will be placed more firmly on the poor, and middle class. All Presidents are puppets to a certain extent.


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Well, the Invisible Children campaign hasn't clearly defined what the money is going toward. The Obama administration hasn't sent any signals that they ever planned to remove the troops we have stationed in Uganda that are helping to track Kony. And it's unclear how the money being donated will have a tangible affect. I'm not saying IC can't make a difference with their funding, but hey don't actually have a clear outline of how to do it.

And, on a more sobering and cynical note, Uganda has human rights abuses all over the place, and nothing resembling a democracy. Eliminating Kony would be a step in the right direction, but a very small step.

There's also claims that the video has some misinformation.

So yes, possible scam.

No one doesn't want the guy eliminated. There isn't two sides to that discussion. But the apathy and backlash is due to skepticism over the fundraising combined with the fact that many people don't think that, say, signing a Facebook petition will affect a third world war villain.


I think, (don't quote me on this) that Kony campaign wants to raise funds for Ugandan army as well in order to capture Kony.
(I think that's what their movie suggests, but I am really not sure)

If it's true, this in itself is questionable because, as you said, Uganda does have terrible human right violations.


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From what I hear the group they're funding is a rival militia that really isn't much better than the LRA.


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From what I hear the group they're funding is a rival militia that really isn't much better than the LRA.



They also just found oil. Ugandan government expected to make a few billions by 2015.

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This short article:

Kony 2012: Why I'm Opposed To The Campaign

is a good read.


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Yeah thats one of the three Ive read. The others are good reads as well. Along with this ugandan girl whos parents were born in uganda (now lives in usa)

Apparently she visited uganda recently in 2010. Claimed they arent worried about LRA or Kony, her parents even laughed and claimed hes long gone, maybe even dead.



And this: http://pomee.tumblr.com/post/188996...-harm-than-good

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Dear Jason Russell,

After being bombarded with your KONY 2012 crusade, I have no choice but to respond to your highly inaccurate, offensive, and harmful propaganda. I realized I had to respond in hopes of stopping you before you cause more violence and deaths to the Acholi people (Northern Ugandans), the very people you are claiming to protect.

Firstly, I would like to question your timing of this KONY 2012 crusade in Uganda when most of the violence from Joseph Kony and the LRA (The Lord’s Resistance Army) has subsided in Uganda in the past 5 years. The LRA has moved onto neighboring countries like the DRC and Sudan. Why are you not urging action in the countries he is currently in? Why are you worried about Kony all of a sudden when Ugandans are not at this present moment?

This grossly illogical timing and statements on your website such as “Click here to buy your KONY 2012 products” makes me believe that the timing has more to do with your commercial interests than humanitarian interests. With the upcoming U.S. presidential elections and the waning interest in Invisible Children, it seems to be perfect timing to start a crusade. I also must add at this point how much it personally disgusts me the way in which you have commercialized a conflict in which thousands of people have died.

Secondly, I would like to address the highly inaccurate content of your video. Your video did not leave the viewer any more knowledgeable about the conflict in Uganda, but only emotionally assaulted. I could not help but notice how conveniently one-sided the “explanation” in your video was. There was absolutely no mention of the role of the Ugandan government and military in the conflict. Let alone the role of the U.S. government and military. The only information given is “KONY MUST BE STOPPED.”

I would like to inform you that stopping Kony would not end the conflict. (It is correctly pronounced “Kohn” by the way). This conflict is deeply embedded in Uganda’s history that neither starts nor ends with Kony. Therefore, your solution to the problem is flawed. There is no way to know the solution, without full knowledge of the problem itself. We must act on knowledge, not emotions.

Joseph Kony formed the LRA in retaliation to the brutality of President Museveni (from the south) committing mass atrocities on the Acholi people (from the north) when President Museveni came to power in 1986. This follows a long history of Ugandan politics that can be traced back to pre-colonial times. The conflict must be contextualized within this history. (If you want to have this proper knowledge, I suggest you start by working with scholars, not celebrities). President Museveni is still in power and in his reign of 26 years he has arguably killed as many, if not more Acholi people, than Joseph Kony. Why is President Museveni not demonized, let alone mentioned? I would like to give you more credit than just ignorance. I have three guesses. One is that Invisible Children has close ties with the Ugandan government and military, which it has been accused of many times. Second, is that you are willing to fight Kony, but not the U.S. Government, which openly supports President Museveni. Third, is that Invisible Children feels the need to reduce the conflict to better commercialize it.

This brings me to my third issue, the highly offensive nature of your video. Firstly, it is offensive to your viewer. The scene with your “explanation” of the conflict to your toddler son suggests that the viewers have the mental capacity of a toddler and can only handle information given in such a reductionist manner. I would like to think American teenagers and young adults (which is clearly your target audience) are smarter than your toddler son. I would hope that we are able to realize that it is not a “Star Wars” game with aliens and robots in some far off galaxy as your son suggests, but a real world conflict with real world people in Uganda. This is a real life conflict with real life consequences.

Secondly, and more importantly, it is offensive to Ugandans. The very name “Invisible Children” is offensive. You claim you make the invisible, visible. The statements, “We have seen these kids.” and “No one knew about these kids.” are part of your slogan. You seem to be strongly hinting that you somehow have validated and found these kids and their struggles.

Whether you see them or not, they were always there. Your having seen the kids does not validate their existence in any shape or form or bring it any more significance. You say “no one” knew about the kids. What about the kids themselves? What about the families of the kids who were killed and abducted? Are they “no one?” Are they not human?

These children are not invisible, you are making them invisible by silencing, dehumanizing, marketing, and invalidating them.

Last year I went to Gulu, Uganda, where Invisible Children is based, and interviewed over 50 locals. Every single person questioned Invisible Children’s legitimacy and intention. Every single person. If anything, it seemed the people saw Invisible Children as a bigger threat than Joseph Kony at the time. Why is it the very people you are trying to “help” feel more offense than relief with your aid?

“They come here to make money and use us.”

“It makes us feel terrible to be presented as being so stupid and helpless.”

These are direct quotes. This was the sentiment of the majority of the people that I interviewed in varying degrees. I definitely didn’t see or hear these voices or opinions in your video. If you are to be “saving” the Acholi people, the very least you can be doing is holding yourself accountable to them and actually listening to what they have to say.

This offensive, inaccurate misconstruction of Ugandans and its conflict makes me wonder what and whom this is really about. It seems that you feel very good about yourself being a savior, a Luke Skywalker of sorts, and same with the girl in your video who passionately states, “This is what defines us”. Therefore, I can’t help but wonder if Invisible Children is more about defining the American do-gooders (and making them feel good), rather than the Ugandans; profiteering the American military and corporations (which Invisible Children is officially and legally) than the conflict.

Lastly, I would like to address the harmful nature of your propaganda. I believe your actions will actually bring back the fighting in Northern Uganda. You are not asking for peace, but violence. The fighting has stopped in the past 5 years and the Acholi are finally enjoying some peace. You will be inviting the LRA and the fighting back into Uganda and disturbing this peace. The last time Invisible Children got politically involved and began lobbying it actually caused more violence and deaths. I beg you not to do it again.

If you open your eyes and see the actions of the Ugandan government and the U.S. government, you will see why. Why is it that suddenly in October of 2011 when there has been relative peace in Uganda for 4 years, President Obama decided to send troops into Uganda? Why is it that the U.S. military is so involved with AFRICOM, which has been pervading African countries, including Uganda? Why is it that U.S. has been traced to creating the very weapons that has been used in the violence? The U.S. is entering Uganda and other countries in Africa not to stop violence, but to create a new battlefield.

In your video you urge that the first course of action is that the Ugandan military needs American military and weapons. You are giving weapons to the very people who were killing the Acholi people in the first place. You are helping to open the grounds for America to make Uganda into a battlefield in which it can profit and gain power. Please recognize this is all part of a bigger military movement, not a humanitarian movement. This will cause deaths, not save lives. This will be doing more harm, than good.

You end your video with saying, “I will stop at nothing”. If nothing else, will you not stop for the lives of the Acholi people? Haven’t enough Acholi people suffered in the violence between the LRA and the Ugandan government? Our alliance should not be with the U.S. government or the Ugandan military or the LRA, but the Acholi people. There is a Ugandan saying that goes, “The grass will always suffer when two elephants fight.” Isn’t it time we let the grass grow?

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Amber Ha




I just can't believe how fast this is blowing up. Frightening even.

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Seems like an elaborate and pointless conspiracy, honestly. Nice to know Ron Paul voters will grasp at any straw.


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You mean the opposition to the campaign or the campaign itself? Knowing you you're talking about the former. stick out tongue

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You think the guy after Obama will do better? Lol it's just going to be more of the same old shit, except the pressure to pay more taxes than the rich will be placed more firmly on the poor, and middle class. All Presidents are puppets to a certain extent.
thats what i already believe.

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Yeah thats one of the three Ive read. The others are good reads as well. Along with this ugandan girl whos parents were born in uganda (now lives in usa)

Apparently she visited uganda recently in 2010. Claimed they arent worried about LRA or Kony, her parents even laughed and claimed hes long gone, maybe even dead.



And this: http://pomee.tumblr.com/post/188996...-harm-than-good
That was a good article. I love seeing hyped up tripe being knocked down.


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