Teachers can't lay a finger on kids or they lose their career. Apparently the kid got a lucky kick in and the guy's knee popped. If the teacher had fought back, the kid would be dead.
The parents could whup the **** out of him if they wanted to. And they might, given his disposition. Still, their response is telling. Teachers have better things to do than make up stories of assault.
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That's just weird, man.
This. Especially because he was a football player in his state...machoism is a big deal where he is especially in football. I could be generalizing and I do not know the dude...but it seems more likely that he is being genuine and feels terrorized by a child he cannot do anything about.
Hope the kid gets help. He needs discipline and therapy, it seems.
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Good choice of words. You literally can not lay a finger on a student, say to wake them up if they fall asleep in class, cuz even that is considered corporal punishment.
On the other side of the coin, the child should be evaluated, which may very well also necessitate an evaluation of the home situation. I had a case last year where Mom was seeking residential placement for her son because he was not only disruptive in school but even worse at home. Turned out that 1) the kid was fine in school when he took his meds; and 2) Mom was looking to get rid of her son so she could have a peaceful new life with her new husband. My psycho-educational eval (as well as prior psychiatrics) revealed that the kid was acting out largely in reaction to how he was being treated at home: he had become the "scapegoat" for all the family's ills (including "being responsible" for the behavior of his deadbeat bio-dad). At one point, the Administration of Child Services had to temporarily place the student in foster care for his own protection.
Long story short: my conclusion was that the student was already properly placed (residential placement was not warranted, not by a long shot), and that the family should seek therapy. Mom went ballistic but too bad. Be a parent, not a child disposal agent.
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What the **** are you talking about? Teachers are allowed to grab and restrict the children.
"A parent is not allowed to hit/smack/slap someone else’s child. A teacher is not allowed to hit/smack/slap a student. An uncle or aunt cannot hit/smack/slap their niece or nephew – at least not without the consent of the child’s parents." - Source
I think there's some sort of acceptable limit. When I taught, I smacked sleeping kids on the head lightly - legally or not I suppose - to wake them.
Though it was much more fun to slam a book onto their desk. Much more startling, and you don't touch them.
In any case, Mindship may have taken the idea too far, but the principle holds true: if that teacher fights back, he's out of a job and the story is much different in the media. Ask any teacher - literally the only indicator you need to know about what the kid will be like i school is "what are the parents like?" Do they have discipline at home? They'll be fine in school. Care about grades? The kid will be a 3.0, minimum. With insanely few exceptions, anything else is almost superfluous.
In NYC, teachers are allowed to touch a student only to defend themselves or others or protect school property, and only as a last resort (ie, if talking does not de-escalate the situation). That's it. And you better have witnesses on hand because if the child makes a competing claim (eg, the teacher started it), the political climate is such that the teacher is, in effect, guilty til proven innocent (what makes this worse is when the news reports alleged sexual misconduct prior to due process findings). In the interim -- while due process occurs -- lives are disrupted, reputations ruined, and you don't want a principal with "administrative upward mobility" in mind on your back because you made his/her school "look bad."
Even a friendly touch on a student's shoulder can land a teacher in hot water if the child is a dick and wants to make trouble. Over the years I have been told more than once by supervisors not even to shake hands with a student if no one else is around. It's that bad (I still shook hands anyway, given that the positive message inherent outweighs the slight chance the student will want to cry wolf).
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That seems to be at a national level, there could easily be local laws and individual school policies regarding teacher's right. Also that's Australia.
Meanwhile in the civilized world my mother was reprimanded by her principal for touching a sobbing child on the shoulder. People get very litigious about their kids and schools don't want to take any risks.
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