Similar to the 1 in 5 girls are raped in college myth, the wage gap is an oft parroted myth.
I've written extensively on how the gender wage gap would be more accurately referred to as the "gender earnings gap," because the gap is due mostly to choices women make and not discrimination.
But now you don't have to take my word for it, you can listen to Claudia Goldin, an economics professor at Harvard University. Goldin spoke to Stephen Dubner, the journalist behind the popular podcast "Freakanomics," in a segment about what really causes the gap.
As one can imagine, Goldin comes to the same conclusion that I and many others have: That the gap is due mostly to choices men and women make in their careers and not discrimination.
"Does that mean that women are receiving lower pay for equal work?" Goldin asked after listening to clips of President Obama and comedienne Sarah Silverman claim that women earn 77 cents to the dollar that men earn. "That is possibly the case in certain places, but by and large it's not that, it's something else."
That "something else," is choice — in the careers that women take, the hours they work and the time off they take. Dubner asked her about evidence that discrimination plays a role in the gap, to which Goldin responded that such a "smoking gun" no longer exists.
"It's hard to find the smoking guns, OK? The smoking guns existed in the past," Goldin said. "I have found many a smoking gun where you find actual evidence of firms saying, for example, 'I do not hire Negroes.' Or, 'I do not hire women.' I mean, you actually find these in 1939."
Goldin argued that once you account for a number of factors, including taking time off from work and different careers, then there isn't "tons of evidence that it's true discrimination."
Goldin also suggested that the old claim that men are just better at bargaining doesn't contribute much to the gap. She said studies have shown men and women show up to a job straight out of college (meaning they have the same education level) and earn the same amount.

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Economics professor says gap is due mostly to choices men and women make in their careers. (Brendon Thorne/Bloomberg)
Harvard prof. takes down gender wage gap myth
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I've written extensively on how the gender wage gap would be more accurately referred to as the "gender earnings gap," because the gap is due mostly to choices women make and not discrimination.
But now you don't have to take my word for it, you can listen to Claudia Goldin, an economics professor at Harvard University. Goldin spoke to Stephen Dubner, the journalist behind the popular podcast "Freakanomics," in a segment about what really causes the gap.
As one can imagine, Goldin comes to the same conclusion that I and many others have: That the gap is due mostly to choices men and women make in their careers and not discrimination.

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"Does that mean that women are receiving lower pay for equal work?" Goldin asked after listening to clips of President Obama and comedienne Sarah Silverman claim that women earn 77 cents to the dollar that men earn. "That is possibly the case in certain places, but by and large it's not that, it's something else."
That "something else," is choice — in the careers that women take, the hours they work and the time off they take. Dubner asked her about evidence that discrimination plays a role in the gap, to which Goldin responded that such a "smoking gun" no longer exists.
"It's hard to find the smoking guns, OK? The smoking guns existed in the past," Goldin said. "I have found many a smoking gun where you find actual evidence of firms saying, for example, 'I do not hire Negroes.' Or, 'I do not hire women.' I mean, you actually find these in 1939."
Goldin argued that once you account for a number of factors, including taking time off from work and different careers, then there isn't "tons of evidence that it's true discrimination."
Goldin also suggested that the old claim that men are just better at bargaining doesn't contribute much to the gap. She said studies have shown men and women show up to a job straight out of college (meaning they have the same education level) and earn the same amount.

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"So if men were better bargainers, they would have been better right then. And it doesn't look as if they're better bargainers to a degree that shows up as a very large number," Goldin said.
But as men and women progress through their careers, Goldin said, the difference in pay comes to light.
"But we also see large differences in where they are, in their job titles, and a lot of that occurs a year or two after a kid is born, and it occurs for women and not for men," Goldin said. "If anything, men tend to work somewhat harder."
I can see her last sentence there gaining the ire of many a feminist. Of course women work hard, Goldin isn't suggesting they don't work hard — she's referring to the difference in the number of hours women and men work.
"And I know that there are many who have done many experiments on the fact that women don't necessarily like competition as much as men do — they value temporal flexibility, men value income growth – that there are various differences," she added.
When it comes to taking time off for children, Goldin said that was a "large factor" because "anything that leads you to want to have more time is going to be a large factor."
Goldin pointed out that among similar occupational groups — like health care — women earn less than men, but it is because of "a host of reasons, one of which is that they're not working the same amount of time."
Women, she said, are opting for more flexible hours, and jobs that allow for such flexibility also pay less. An example she gave was the difference between a high-paying job at a big law firm and a corporate counsel. The big law firm may pay more, but would also require round-the-clock availability, long hours and travel, whereas the corporate counsel would pay less but provide more stability in hours.

And for all the complaints that it's "society" that forces women to take time off, that same "society" stigmatizes men who do and force men to earn more once a child is born. "Stay-at-home-dads" often conjure up images of unsuccessful beta males. Maybe if there weren't such a stigma surrounding fathers who want to take time off of work to care for their children while mothers pursue their career, the gap wouldn't exist or would even be reversed.
But the bottom line is that the "gender wage gap" is not caused by discrimination, and therefore cannot be fixed through government action to reduce discrimination. It can only be fixed by forcing women to make different choices, which is absurd.
FRAT VERSION: Women make less because they do not work in STEM fields, that work less and take more time off. They are likely to choose family over work. Basically, they make less because of the choices they make means they don't deserve to make the same.
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If you could pay women less than men and get the same work, every business would be hiring women only and save millions. But its not the case.
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That's only the case in Low Wage Positions. Not in High Wage Salary Positions. Which means that if The Hilldog gets to be president. She will have to take a pay cut.
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What bugs me is the way some feminists interpret this. For instance if you point out to them that women take more time off work(not counting maternity leave) and usually choose to work less hours and tend to want families..the feminist will come back with "oh so you're saying women should just be barefoot and pregnant?!" or some nonsense.
It's like arguing with a brick wall that also somehow has down syndrome.
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I have encountered that EXACT feminist argument/sentiment from multiple "feminists."
In my opinion, opinions like those are the exact opposite of feminism. They want to take away the choice from women to be able to be with their children and stay home. The fact that they can even make that choice (meaning that they have the resources available to them to not to have to work) speaks volumes to true egalitarianism. When the system allows for women to got to choose to be with their children, rather than being forced to stay home, then we can see that women truly have freedom.
In the past (and the not so distant past), women didn't have a choice. They had to stay home because they didn't "belong in the work place."
Trying to shame women for wanting to stay home to raise their children - because it "shackles them to the bondage of motherly slavery" - is just disgusting.
On the same note...the same applies for men. If a man wants to stay home to raise his children, he should get to be able to do that. It is becoming more and more acceptable for men to do that. For feminism to be successful when it comes to working conditions, the hate against "stay at home dads" has to stop, too. And this is not just a men's issue, either: it is also a women's issue. If their husbands are shamed into having to work, leaving the children, the woman may no longer have a choice: she may be forced to have to reduce working hours or quit her job.
It's this third wave of feminism. Before the women wanted things that obviously were needed, they had actual goals looking to benefit women. But this new wave is just so full of toxic people it's alarming.
They don't want equality, they want to perpetrate these false dilemma's and just..I don't know, I really can't figure out what the current feminist agenda is.
It's like..you ever hear of that doctor that had been giving Hitler so much shit, so many different drugs to "help" him..that after the war the allies were half wondering if the guy was a double agent trying to weaken Hitler? But no it just turns out the guy genuinely thought he was doing good and was just oblivious to the damage he was doing. That is how I see it, since I can't fathom why they would essentially try to poison this movement on purpose. There is no actual logic in it..there is no goal to be gained.
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You notice once the problem begins to effect females suddenly it becomes a big deal..funny how that happens right guys?
I mean they weren't upset in the past about things like "permanent alimony". Gee I wonder why?
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I'm sorry guys but the equality in that video is just so god damn awesome. You can almost see the moment when their little brains realize "oh shit men have been putting up with this for decades".
Now suddenly equality doesn't seem so appealing to some.
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Also, women are expected to get free meals, drinks and presents a lot. Women are paid way too much in terms of contributing to society and how much they benefit financially for simply being women.
Lol they are legitimately whining over being given equality, I do love it.
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