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Comrade Bernie



So Jake Tapper asks Senator Sanders about the overwhelming costs associated with single-payer health care in California and Vermont, Sanders instead of addressing that instead to deflect. He said, "A single -payer health care system, in my view, and according to studies that I have seen, would save the average family significant sums of money."

No citation needed. What studies? I dunno. But again he points to Canada despite the Canadian Supreme Court ruled that prohibiting private medical insurance in face of long wait times violated the "Quebec Center of Human Rights and Freedoms" while also avoiding the bureaucratic nightmare that is consuming the health care and ignoring the scarcity that has led to rationing and substantial wait times. It also doesn't matter that according to Don Drummond, "an economist appointed by Ontario's Liberal government to help fix it finances, Canada's largest province is projected to see healthcare costs soar to the point where they will consume 80% of the entire provincial budget by 2030, up from 46% in 2010" or that according to the Fraser Institute, in 2015, "the average Canadian family [would] contribute $11,735 in taxes for public health insurance."

And of course, Bernie went full leftist (never go full leftist) when he blames the fact that single-payer is unachievable because of opposition from the insurance companies, drug companies, and Wall Street.

But again this is Bernie Sanders who told small business owners that they deserve to go out of business and dodges all valid criticism and complaints and brushes them off with "The devil is in the details." Okay, what are those details then Bern?

Bernie is a delusional nutjob who was the absolute worse possible choice we could have had as president. Hillary is corrupt. You can handle corrupt. Trump is incompetent with no real view on government. You can handle that. Bernie is a hardened ideolog who would just have us end up like Venezuela. And yes, Bernie Sanders praised Venezuela as a model for ending income inequality when he said, "These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger."

But what did you expect from someone who praised breadlines and food rationing? Or who praised Fidel Castro in 1985...oh well, obviously he must have changed his mind with that praised...except he hasn't. When asked if he regretted that praise, Sanders just avoided the question and even said, "Cuba they have made some good advances in healthcare, they are sending doctors all over the world."

Yes, Cuba has amazing healthcare. Well except for the fact that Cuba doesn't even have aspirin or the ability to write a prescription for antibiotics because there were none.:

"[A] survey carried out in pharmacies late last year [in 2000] by the local [Cuban] magazine Bohemia failed to find 211 of the medicines included on the official list of products produced to attend to the health of this Caribbean island nation's population of 11 million... 'They say scarcity of medicine is no longer such a serious problem, but I've been trying for days to buy aspirin in this pharmacy, and they always tell me there isn't any,' complained Mara Dolores Pea, a 60-year-old pensioner, outside her neighborhood pharmacy." Source

And the Chicago Tribute reported in 2005 that physicians are sacrificing quality for which just leads to patients being mistreated (Gary Marx, "Chavez Seeing to Cuba's Revival," Chicago Tribune, November 27, 2005, p. 3.).

I could go on all day about this lunatic nutjob Bernie Sanders.


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Oh jeez, US healthcare is some of the expensive and ineffective in the world. They spend far less govt. expenditure in countries with single payer systems, including Canada. Comrade Bernie is what your country needs. thumb up sad


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I always enjoy seeing Trumpers go loony over Sanders (aka Uncle Bernie) with their knee-jerking alarmist and utterly based on emtions "he would destroy the country and then the world!" rants and diatribes. Like totally get a grip and compose yourself, be a man. Jeez.


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Oh jeez, US healthcare is some of the expensive and ineffective in the world. They spend far less govt. expenditure in countries with single payer systems, including Canada. Comrade Bernie is what your country needs. thumb up sad


USA is #1 in medical research, cancer care and survival rate, and cures.

And nothing says great healthcare like Canadians coming to the USA for health care.


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America is #1, if you can afford it. :/


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The problem with increasing minimum wages is it encourages automation and robotics. Seattle is learning that higher minimum wage that isn't paced with inflation has a negative effect.

A company there increased it to $15-20 dollars. Guess what, they had to fire people and cut hours.

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Minimum wage is still out paced by inflation, but to the detriment of the workers.

Fed Min wage is currently at $7.25, it was $3.35 back in 1987. Pretty sure things cost considerably more now than 30 years ago and making an extra $156.00 a week probably not cutting it in today's economy.

Now I'm not saying raising it to $20.00 is the fix, but it's a starvation and debt wage as is.


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USA is #1 in medical research, cancer care and survival rate, and cures.

And nothing says great healthcare like Canadians coming to the USA for health care.
Right, right, nothing quite says great healthcare like being ranked the worst in the developed world for the 5th time running. laughing out loud

Nothing quite says great healthcare like having an average life expectancy notably lower than that of 23 other countries with socialised medicine. Or having the highest child mortality besides, or a maternal mortality that is increasing. American healthcare is just great.

FYI: The US cancer survival stats are widely attributed to America's proclivity to over-diagnosis and over-treatment i.e. cancer being treated when treatment isn't needed, or detected ahead of time. This is flawed data, and does not prove that America's post-diagnosis care is #1. Instead mortality rates provide little to right home about, they are average at best.

The fact that America is leading in medical research is great, but hardly surprising considering the countries size and resources, and meaningless if that theory isn't being put into effective practice. But hey ho wadda you know? Trump plans to cut global medical research by 2.2 billion dollars. Yay.


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Originally posted by Robtard
I always enjoy seeing Trumpers go loony over Sanders (aka Uncle Bernie) with their knee-jerking alarmist and utterly based on emtions "he would destroy the country and then the world!" rants and diatribes. Like totally get a grip and compose yourself, be a man. Jeez.


Bwahahahaha! Did you seriously just type this? I legit laughed out loud.


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Right, right, nothing quite says great healthcare like being ranked the worst in the developed world for the 5th time running. laughing out loud

Nothing quite says great healthcare like having an average life expectancy notably lower than that of 23 other countries with socialised medicine. Or having the highest child mortality besides, or a maternal mortality that is increasing. American healthcare is just great.

FYI: The US cancer survival stats are widely attributed to America's proclivity to over-diagnosis and over-treatment i.e. cancer being treated when treatment isn't needed, or detected ahead of time. This is flawed data, and does not prove that America's post-diagnosis care is #1. Instead mortality rates provide little to right home about, they are average at best.

The fact that America is leading in medical research is great, but hardly surprising considering the countries size and resources, and meaningless if that theory isn't being put into effective practice. But hey ho wadda you know? Trump plans to cut global medical research by 2.2 billion dollars. Yay.


Yeah because we are supposed to believe that the Groups?People doing these RANKIINGS aren't Biased in any way or anything.....NO Not a Chance of that!


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Bwahahahaha! Did you seriously just type this? I legit laughed out loud.


#triggered


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#triggered


Yeah but it is your natural state robbie.


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Yeah because we are supposed to believe that the Groups?People doing these RANKIINGS aren't Biased in any way or anything.....NO Not a Chance of that!
FaKE nEwS!!!11


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#triggered


If finding your behavior comical equates to being triggered then by your own admission I have triggered you many times.


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FaKE nEwS!!!11


I do find that funny how Beni can say that the U.S has Sub Standard Healthcare right after how his country handled the Charlie Gard Affair.

But then hey....Late Term Abortion...am I right?


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hurr durr, not another moron peddling that shit. laughing out loud


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Ohhhh... Stooping to name calling already. Sign that You don't have a valid point to raise. But then You support Child Murder so....yeah.


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hurr durr, not another moron peddling that shit. laughing out loud


Morons do fall for shit filled nonsense, it's like they're drawn to it by some primal instinct.


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Morons do fall for shit filled nonsense, it's like they're drawn to it by some primal instinct.


Yes. You are like that.


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