Inconsistencys from The Hulk In THe Avengers movie
I made a thread of this because I figured it wouldnt get read if I posted it on The Avengers thread.This more than anything was what pissed me off about The Avengers.I never read the comicbook but I know enough about The Hulks character tp know they just could not get his character right or decide on it. Such as when Black Widow finds him in mexico I believe it was? cant remember. well when she finds him she says to him-thats your secret to staying calm huh,being in a stress free environment? or close to those lines anyway. and he says no.Thats wrong because that is his secret is a stressfree environment.
Here though is when they really started to betray his character though.When they fired onto Shield,Black Widow and Banner fall down a few floors below.Banner experiences pain and slowly turns into the hulk.Check.thats how it happens.
He has to have a trigger to become the hulk.he cant just turn it on anytime he wants to.He has to get angry,scared,or experience pain to become The Hulk and that was the trigger then was the pain he experienced.
This is where they betrayed his character though.I know enough about The Hulk to know that when he transforms into The Hulk,even if its just a stranger he never met before who is around him at that time,he doesnt run after them and try to kill them like he did with Black Widow who was hardly a stranger.He only goes after someone that has harmed him and he still takes it easy on them.He doesnt try to kill them. He was trying to kill her.He was getting ready to hit her before Thor showed up and save her bacon.That would have killed Black Widow.She wouldnt have been able to take the abuse Thor was able to from him. That was just absurd he came after her like that for no reason.He would have done what he started off to do,walk away and smashed things.Hulk Smash!!!
Then when he became The Hulk the second time,they REALLY betrayed his character in spades.That was so stupid when they were saying to him-Doc nows a good time to get angry.Then he replies-Thats my secret,Im always angry.Yeah you're always angry, thats why you're not always the hulk. He cant freaking transform into The Hulk just because he wants to.
Like I said before he has to get angry,scared,or experience pain.None of those things happened. Also the second time around, they got his metaphoris totally wrong.It takes at least 30 seconds for him to transform into him.They got it correct the first time.The second time they screwed it up it was a joke.Not only does he have to have one of those 3 reasons to be able to turn into The Hulk,he cant do it in just seconds like he was able to do either.
Then when he finally does,THIS time he is friendly with them and and understands what captain america is saying where before,he could not with Black Widow.
Damn even both Hulk movies which I both hated at least got THAT much right,that he cant just transform anytime he wants and do it in seconds like superman.sheesh. they couldnt make up their mind about his character. Everything else I had no problem with,just that one thing.
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Last edited by Mr Parker on Jun 25th, 2012 at 03:39 PM
Me and you both.Exactly.that was the ONLY thing about the movie i could not stomach either.I so much hated that.
I loved everything else about it.That was the only negative for me in the film.Dont forget to include what I mentioned on how he went after Black Widow and tried to kill her.Man he doesnt even go after someone innocent who is a complete stranger to him he has never met before who who has done no wrong to him.
I actually thought it him turning at will was unexpected and a nice twist. My only gripe about the film was having Thanos at the end...It restricts where the next film can go.
The reason he was "friendly" the second time was because it was a self-induced transformation and he wasn't being subjected by Loki's staff like he was the first time.
Black Widow innocent?
You're kinda forgetting that she initially lied to Banner when they first met in India (not Mexico). She said she was alone to peacefully talk Banner into joining the mission. Banner saw through this & knew that a) Widow came with armed back up & b) He clearly did not have a choice with SHIELD interfering with his life.
I see no fault with the Hulk wanting to kill her when he transformed the first time, after all she did represent SHIELD & did lie & manipulate him.
Re: Inconsistencys from The Hulk In THe Avengers movie
By Banner saying, "That's my secret, I'm always angry." I didn't see that as a contradiction, I simply took it as something cool to say before going into battle. Like Dirty Harry's, "Make my day." OR Arnie saying, "I'll be back."
As far as Banner morphing in seconds...you're forgetting too when Banner earlier explained how he tried to kill himself once by putting a gun in his mouth..."Then HE spat out the bullet." Obviously based on the situation this version of the Hulk can transform as quickly as the situation needs. I mean the first time he was knocked out unconscious as Banner & when he was slowly regaining his senses, the first things he felt was both pain & then anger, slowly triggering the change to Hulk.
Lastly yes, the Hulk is friendly with the rest of The Avengers...you're forgetting he did come back to join them in battle not to pick a fight with them or even run away from SHIELD & the alien invasion. He chose to stand & fight with them, so yeah that explains why he was friendly & even willing to listen to Cap.
Re: Inconsistencys from The Hulk In THe Avengers movie
It shows.
India.
No he doesn't need provocation as the only way to change, I think you're thinking of the TV show where Banner got angry. But in the comics Bruce has figured more out the mental complexities of the Hulk.
The Hulk comes in multiple forms, sometimes they even look different (different colors) and display different levels of intellect. Heres my brake down of the the problem you perceive--
-The first time Hulk transformed Banner told everyone he had a "party trick". That was his ability to change at will because he already learnt to embrace and harness his anger. BUT THE REASON WHY HULK WAS BERSERK on the Heli-carrier, was because Loki was manipulating everybody on the team with his telepathic abilities and the Mind Gem. Hulk's form was that of an ENRAGED ANIMAL.
-Hulk in New York, Banner uses his "party trick" and changes in a calm state resulting in a co-operative, slightly moody Hulk. Without Loki's manipulations Hulk was free to crush his subordinates and eventually find and beat Loki himself.
I hope that answers your questions.
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Last edited by the ninjak on Jun 26th, 2012 at 05:53 AM
And since Avengers is basically a combined sequel of all the previous Marvel movies, Bruce has mastered his Hulk transformation. As seen in the end of HULK, when Bruce(Norton) was meditating and triggered his transformation at will.
He's been able to change voluntarily in comics for years. But he can still turn involuntarily due to anger/stress whatever. He couldn't voluntarily turn in the TIH movie at first, but then that film took us down the path that he was gaining more control by the end. I don't see the issue tbh.
I really enjoyed The Avengers. My really only beef with the Hulk was he was not played by Edward Norton.
I do not follow the Marvel films very well aside for watching them for entertainment value, so my opinion has little to no merit. I do not read any of the comics.
From IMDb:
"Negotiations between Norton and Marvel eventually broke down, and the role was instead offered to Mark Ruffalo, who accepted. Norton wrote a public response to the decision on his Facebook page, stating that he will not be appearing in The Avengers, but thanked Marvel Studios for considering letting him reprise the role. "
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Last edited by sweersa on Jun 26th, 2012 at 07:38 PM
I think Mark Ruffalow was a lot better personally, and that they should try to scrap the Hulk film completely from the Avengers Initiative canon as aside from different actor the original film really, really sucked.
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Such as when Black Widow finds him in mexico I believe it was? cant remember. well when she finds him she says to him-thats your secret to staying calm huh,being in a stress free environment? or close to those lines anyway. and he says no.Thats wrong because that is his secret is a stressfree environment.
He was trying to kill her.He was getting ready to hit her before Thor showed up and save her bacon.That would have killed Black Widow.She wouldnt have been able to take the abuse Thor was able to from him. That was just absurd he came after her like that for no reason.He would have done what he started off to do,walk away and smashed things.Hulk Smash!!! 
Jun 25th, 2012 03:34 PM
