She makes a couple really good points, but overshoots her limits several times. The truest, and most obvious reason for movie hate is that a particular movie was actually bad. Her arguments about Batman hate fall flat because the first two Nolan films were hailed by critics and fans alike. They only turned when the quality of the movie dipped in the final installment. She also quips that the Mandarin thing was forgotten, but it wasn't by fans. Mainstream audiences didn't care, bc they'd never heard of the Mandarin, so the overall backlash wasn't as big. And IM had pumped out two good installments and Avengers, so there was a lot of goodwill stored up to allow them to slip up. So yeah, simpler explanations.
By the same token, even people who didn't give a sh*t about Superman killing Zod were pretty tepid about MoS. Saying that there's a bias against DC bc of the killing is maybe a tiny bit true, but mostly it's just trying to find a scapegoat for a flawed movie.
I liked her point about archetypes, though. DC has essentially created templates. A lot of the most interesting Superman stories aren't about Superman, because he's a theme upon which writers try their variations in myriad forms. Imo, that's the one really good point she makes, and DC should embrace those archetypes and turn them into universal myths like the best Batman/Superman/WW writers seem to be able to do.
Have to disagree with you on several points, tbh. This one stuck out most, though:
If you pick... Five. Even ten, of the best Superman stories ever written, you'll find that they're about Superman himself and how he deals with things around him.
Sure, I get where people are coming from with the whole "they're icons" thing. I do. That doesn't mean that they aren't open to change or adaptation, or to melodrama. It can, and has been done many times.
It's that same old "DC's characters are more set in stone/more moral/less relatable" shtick, which hasn't been true for years.
I'll be the first one to admit that Marvel does do a better job for the most part in adapting its characters to the screen, at least in terms of how close they are to the source material. That said, some of the reasons people had for disliking MoS were frankly... I don't know. Confusing? Like a lot of the people watching it hadn't read a Superman comic in the last 10-20 years. Sure, there are people who did, and felt that it wasn't the version of Superman up on screen that they wanted to see, without realising that the Superman in MoS is far closer to the comics than Reeve's version, even with how far apart it was.
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Not trying to be overtly hostile; just tired of some of the things she says coming up yet again.
I don't really have a developed opinion on this topic.
I have tons of knowledge to draw upon. But, for some reason, I just don't really care about the topic as I do not see them as "DC" vs. "Marvel" films.
For me, Batman Begins was a FAAAAAAAAR more enjoyable film that Avengers. Same with The Dark Knight. But many disagree who liked the Marvel film, better. For me, I view them as comic book movies.
Oh, hey, I loved the shit out of Watchmen. Look how many comic book fans hated that one. You know what I say? **** the comic book whiners. **** them very very much.
Yea, killing Zod is not a major complaint I have. Now Jonathan Kent, or how the visual storytelling of the fighting didn't show Superman's protective instinct very well, or the overdone Jesus metaphor... (he is SUPERMAN, he does not NEED to be Jesus)
That's basically what Watchmen was though. It is one of the most painstakingly accurate adaptations of a comic story I've seen. The only major difference (not omission or embellishment) is the lack of a big psychic squid at the end.
As far as Nolan Batman films, Batman Begins was truly brilliant. Loved every second of it. Heath Ledger was the highlight of TDK, he stole the damn movie.
The Avengers is the most enjoyable movie experience I've ever had in my life.
Now that it's established I don't pick sides with Marvel or DC, MoS stunk shit for many reasons not including Zod's death. Tone/atmosphere was dull and dreary, direction took itself too seriously, writing was incredibly shitty, Jonathan Kent's death felt forced and wrong, characterization of Lois Lane was lacking, villain was stupid evil etc... and destruction porn DOES get boring without tangible emotion or narrative to spice it up.
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Nov 16th, 2014 11:14 PM
You know what I say? **** the comic book whiners. **** them very very much. 
ppl just hated on it because it wasn't Batman etc. Tbf though I think reading the book itself helps you understand the movie more.
