I've read The Silmarillion.. and unless I totally missed it, I dont believe it said anything in there. I've also read "Unfinished Tales" and "The Book of Lost Tales", but nothing still. I don't believe it's in the Appendices either. I mean, the tale of how the other races originated was explored and we know where they come from and how they came out to be, but I don't think I've read anything about Hobbits.
Men and Elves - Eru
Ents (Sheperds of the Forest) - Eru for Yavanna
Orcs - Elves mutilated and corrupted by Melkor
Eagles - Manwë
Dwarves - Aulë
Uruk-Hai - orcs+goblin men (Saruman)
Dragons - they served for Melkor
Trolls - Melkor
Olog-Hai - Sauron
Wargs - Melkor
How about Hobbits, along with Tom, they are the ones that confuse me of their origins? Anyone?
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'The beginning of Hobbits lies far back in the Elder Days that are now lost and forgotten. Only the Elves still preserve any records of that vanished time ... (...) ... Yet it is clear that Hobbits had, in fact, lived quietly in Middle-earth for many long years before other folk even became aware of them.' ~JRRT FOTR
That means they've had Middle-Earth all to themselves at one point.
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Not exactly
The Uruk-hai are not invented or first breeded by Sauron. They are a far older race (their name only meaning "orc-people"), just a bigger sort of orcs, like the Snaga were a smaller one. What Saruman did is mixing goblinmen (which means they were already half orcs!) and orcs, giving halforcs. Uruk-hai usually were only the leaders as they were stronger than the others. Yet they appear far earlier than in the war of the ring, like in the attacks on Osgiliath (TA 2475, more than 500 years before the war of the ring).
Ologhai ("Trollpeople") are a race of trolls in Mirkwood Sauron breeded based on Melkors trolls.
About your original question
I dont think Tolkien explains that anywhere. He somewhere said that they're a race of Men that left the others early to dwell in the vales of Anduin where they lived for some time, rather reducing their size from generation to generation than growing like most other races did. Some also say that they are rather like Elves then like men, but this is perhaps rather interesting in the combination with the early idea that Men might be Elves that had fallen under the shadow of Melkor and Ilúvatar gave them the gift - or the bane - of Mortality.
Maybe they are really a race of men that stayed behind while the Edain travelled to Beleriand in the first age (they said they had fled from a great darkness nobody wanted to talk about later).
I think very interesting for this question is the Conversation between Finrod and Andreth in the History Of Middle-earth, though it's not connected with the hobbits.
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Exa I have to ask. How old are you? Do you have a masters degree in all things tolkien. If not someone whould give you one. Its sick how much of this stuff you have in your head.
the hobbits first appeared shortly after the arrival of the istari...nobody knows where they came from...an entirely different race , from valinor...explaining the resistance of the ring, but if that was so saruman would pay more attention to them
others say they are elves..that changed and became mortal..the ears and soundless footsteps back up this view....i dont know what to believe
Yes sauron I have to admit as well you have been extremly helpful at times. Just not as willing to go into explanations as Exa is. Sometimes you are rather short with people.
You'll say stuff like, Its at such and such link, Go look it up. Wich is justifiable considering how often you probably get asked the same questions over and over again.
well you may notice that i give longer answers after six...when i am on MY pc...my grandas which i am currently on is a kinda slow one took 3 minutes to load this thread up
well i do get asked alot...but thats not it its just we get two threads on the same thing which i cant stand
Ouch, 3 minute is an eternity in cyber time. You must be jumping up and down cursing that dial up.
Thats a very interesting theory that the Hobbits are derived from elves. Makes sense, but funny considering how they view elves, not knowing there own origins. If that is the case.
I also tend to think that we all try to think too much about it all. I bet Tolkine had no intention of having to explain as much as is asked. Kind of like the Bombadil thing. Over thinking something that just was not supposed to be.
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Jan 27th, 2004 04:13 AM
, sorry!
nasssty pc... *hugs sauron*
