Due to amazon being rubbish, or perhaps the Postal service, I have no received my Salmarillion.
I read a few pages at my friends one time about Morgoth, I am just wondering why he was also called melkor and how was he destroyed?
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Melkor was called Morgoth in the first age - the last few centuries before he was thrown into the void, his iron crown becoming a collar. When he was named Melkor he was alot stronger. Morgoth had lost his native element altogether by taking physical form. However, it is said that he wasted his power on selfindulgence and wickedness, so it seems that he decayed over time inevitably through being evil. Sauron had the sense to preserve himself by forging the Ring and therefore keeping all his native element.
Melkor was Melkor's name at the first age as the mightiest of the Ainur. But then he was (how do I say this?) "disqualified" and banished because of his terrible doings. He's destroying everything that the Valar had made and he was named "Morgoth" by Feanor after he stole the Silmarils.
Morgoth = The dark enemy of the world.
Melkor = He who shows his power.
Morgoth was destroyed in the War of Wrath. Earendil came to Valinor to seek help from the Valar. Then all forces of Valinor marched to Middle-earth to battle Morgoth. All the orcs and Morgoth's minions were destroyed save some Balrogs and Dragons. Then Morgoth fled into his deepest mines, but he was dragged out and bound by the chain Angainor and Morgoth's crown was made into a collar for his neck. Morgoth was ouththrusted beyond the confines of the World, the Outer Dark, the Void. But he's not entirely destroyed though, prophecies tell that he will come back into the World before its end. Come Dagor Dagorath!!!
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Last edited by shadowy_blue on Jan 30th, 2004 at 12:29 AM
ok glad I have got that cleared up. I knew Sauron had a connection with Melkor but didnt he end up bailing on him in time of battle?
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"In the year of our Lord 1314, patriots of Scotland, starving and outnumbered, charged the fields at Bannockburn. They fought like warrior poets. They fought like Scotsmen. And won their freedom."
melkor was his real name...he was a valar...but he wanted to rule over people and be called lord..so he waged war on the valar..and was winning until tulkas came along and whupped him to higgh heaven then they cast him in chains for three ages...but he was nice and friendly so they let him go..then he stole the silmarils and feanor called him 'dark foe of earth' translation 'morgoth'
he wasnt ever destroyed he was defeated and cast into the void....later after lotr sauron was cast there too....they return in the dagor dagorath the last battle where fionwe cleaves the world with celeg aithorn, then everyone goes up to iluvatar who says
you see...it is as i said...your evil only worked out to greaten the glory of my work....
then they are forgiven and then everybody sings in the second music of the ainur
come on guys i thought you would know the answer to this his name was morgoth when he was a valar but when he started to rebel and bring coruption to the music of the valar the elves named him melkor meaning dark enemy or something like that.
no...i think for sure he was called Melkor even before the coming of elves...'twas Iluvatar who said: "Mighty are the Ainur, and mightiest among them is Melkor..."
I always got confused with the name-things. I mean, Melkor (Belegűr, Mailiko, Meleko, Mánfréa, Orgel, Maeleg, Moeleg, Alkar, Melekô, Melkóre, Belegar, ... in earlier forms) is definitely an elvish word, coming from the Primitive Elvish word "MIL-IK-" ("desire, greed, lust") - so it must have been given to him by the early elves, like all names of the Valar and of course also Ilúvatar himself. Tolkien also states that the Valar just took names (and shapes) to look less alien and foreign to the Eldar, so this must have been added to the Ainulindale in the version of the elves. I don't think that Ilúvatar calling Melkor "Melkor" (and Ulmo Ulmo and so on) is really what "happened", its just the truth for all living beings in middleearth as there is no better one (confusing sentence... but based on the sentence "There are always four sides to each story: your side, their side, the truth and what really happened." (Rousseau))
So Melkor is his real original name in the thought of the Eldar though this is most probably in fact not the case.
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yeah because in M:Ethings are named of what they do lol (sometimes)
like melkor..means he who arises in might....so that will have been given to him by elves who..know what he did....so actually it may be true he was called morgoth by feanor before any elf named him melkor.....but melkor is the name given to him BEFORE the morgoth incident...so erm....hes melkor before...but was named it after
smaug means to crawl in hole (the hole the dwarves were in???)
Yeah exactly... expecially the Valar have names that exactly describe their character and what they do in Valinor.
Lol other names of Morgoth: Caluminator, the Diabolus, the Marrer, Evil Prince, Prince of Evil Heart, Vala of Iron, Lord of Iron, the Evil One... or the The Foe
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Jan 29th, 2004 09:59 PM
then they cast him in chains for three ages...but he was nice and friendly so they let him go..then he stole the silmarils 
