Well, It'd be really nice if Man ruled M.E for as long as the world would let them, and Elves made their come-backs. That'd be a perfect Middle Earth, that would.
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Re: The End of Middle Earth
Have you heard this before?
The published Silmarillion ends with the recounting of the voyage of Eärendil the Mariner, but this is due to an editorial decision by Christopher Tolkien. The Silmarillion as J. R. R. Tolkien wrote it ends with a prophecy by Mandos about the Final Battle (or the Dagor Dagorath in Sindarin), often referred to as "The End". The remaining clue to this prophecy is found at the end of Akallabêth, where "Ar-Pharazôn and his mortal warriors who had set foot on Aman were buried by falling hills, imprisoned in the Caves of the Forgotten until the Last Battle and Day of Doom". The account is clearly inspired by and bears many similarities to the Norse legend of Ragnarok.
According to the prophecy, Melkor will discover how to break the Door of Night, and will destroy the Sun and the Moon. For the love of these, Eärendil will return from the sky and shall meet Tulkas, Manwë (or Eönwë his herald) and Túrin Turambar on the plains of Valinor. All the Free Peoples of Middle-earth will participate in this final battle, Elves, Men and Dwarves alike. To their number will be added Ar-Pharazôn and the Númenóreans who landed at Aman in 3319 SA.
There they shall fight with Melkor. Tulkas will wrestle with him, but it will be by the hand of Túrin that finally death and destruction will be dealt to Melkor. Túrin will run his black sword Gurthang (Iron of Death) through Melkor's heart, thus avenging the Children of Húrin (Sind: Hîn Húrin), and the Pelori Mountains will be levelled. The three Silmarils will be recovered from the Earth, sea, and sky, and Fëanor's spirit shall be released from the halls of Mandos to give them to Yavanna, who will break them and rekindle the light of the Two Trees. The battle will end and renew Arda's existence: all the Elves shall awaken and the Powers will be young again.
Following this, there will be a Second Music of the Ainur. This song will sing into being a new world. Men will sing it with the Ainur. It is unknown what the fate of the old races, or of the old world, will be in the new one. Even the Ainur do not know anything of the second world or the Second Music. All the Ainur know is that the Second Music will be greater than the First Music.
Christopher Tolkien removed the prophecy from The Silmarillion based on a 1958 version of the Valaquenta wherein his father wrote that none of Mandos' dooms had declared whether the Marring of Arda would ever be repaired (Christopher Tolkien adopted this passage and used it to close the Quenta Silmarillion). Given this removal of the prophecy Christopher apparently assumed that the Dagor Dagorath had been removed as well. He later noted his surprise at finding references to it and a new version (in which Beren also returns from death for the final battle) written after the Valaquenta passage.
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Who is to say that Middle Earth would have an end ? Tolkien wrote The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit in respect to his surroundings. During the time in which he was in the war, he created Middle Earth, the beings that lived there and the adventures that they partook in...
But one must think, that there are ties to many of the things we know of today in LOTR....therefore, one must also consider that Tolkien never envisioned an end to this world, much as he never would have considered Earth itself being destroyed.
In the end, he gave M.E. to the race of Men...it was their time to rule, for he saw that they were the species that would best use their surroundings and thrive from it.
With Sauron defeated...would there be another evil that grew from the shadows..would there be reason to keep the armies of Gondor and Rohan ? I think in the end, Tolkien wanted peace...harmony with the different species.
Yeah, but from what I heard Tolkien didn't like the Arthurian tales. They say he wanted to create the whole LOTR thing as Britain's mythology because he thought that the Arthurian tales were imported French dog crap. Personally I think that's nonsense; there's nothing that French about the Arthurian tales and I enjoyed them much more than Tolkien ever made anyways. Personally I think King Arthur could kick Aragorn's ass (I think I heard that Arthur had killed ancient giants or something).
No, it wasn't Arthurian tales that came from France, it was the Robin Hood legend. The Arthurian came from the east by crusaders visiting England.
Aragorn could take on a troll, note that the troll in RotK was a last minute replacement for a supposed Sauron, but it never made it past production, so therefore we can just forget about it.
Along w/ your "Middle-earth Religion" thread, Tolkien tied the end of the world, (the Dagor Dagorath, "Battle of Battles", in Old Norse Ragnarök), to his religious beliefs. His mythological world is supposed to have become our world today, and so the end of the world will be the ending of our Age. Or so I theorize.
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