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sand person no. 10
where are the other nine
Registered: Jun 2001
Location: West Midlands UK
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possible cloned characters
now that we can almost safely assume that there are actual clones within the film, is not possible that sidious was a clone and so was padme, i assume that is why they were both in the film,
perhaps the jedi think they have killed sidous/palpatine when all they have done is kill his clone.
also which characters do you think will be cloned?
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Aug 8th, 2001 12:31 AM |
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KJ
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Padme is in the film because she is the eventual mother of Luke and Leia.
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Aug 8th, 2001 03:11 PM |
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Ushgarak
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I doubt whether any important charatcers will be cloned, not counting that Boba Fett rumour, and that isn't quite the same thing.
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Aug 8th, 2001 05:04 PM |
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sand person no. 10
where are the other nine
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but aren't padme and admidala different people, just identical, and i'm sure sidious and palpatine look the same, wherever or not there the same person, who knows, i would have thought that by introducing clones into the first movie it would pave the way nicely for their appearance in the second movie.
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Aug 8th, 2001 10:44 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Padme and Amidala are not different people. Different name for the same person.
Sidious and Palpatine, almost certainly, are the same person as well.
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Aug 8th, 2001 10:47 PM |
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DARTH LORAC
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I think that palpatine is a clone of sidious. When Sidious is seen in TPM he looks alot older than the senator. This might help to explain why the jedi knights cannot sense the evil in palpatine
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Aug 8th, 2001 11:44 PM |
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Ushgarak
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But as we know, 'Hard to see, the Dark Side is...', so that has already been explained.
The cloning explanation for Sidious/Palpatine is not impossible. Still, general feel is still sure that they are just the same person.
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Aug 8th, 2001 11:48 PM |
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DARTH LORAC
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I agree the dark side is hard to see. But if Sidious and Palpatine are in fact the same person , i feel it would be hard to hide his true identity as a Sith Lord while in the presence of the full Jedi Council i.e. at QGJ's funeral. Does the Dark side enable its users to weild so much power as to fool a room full of Jedi Masters?
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Aug 8th, 2001 11:55 PM |
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Ushgarak
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I guess the trick here is not to look at it in forms of sheer power but the limits of Jedi ability. Can a Jedi directly sense evil in someone? I don't think so. Nor do we have any reason to think they can sense power in someone unless they use it.
They CAN sense emotions and important stuff like that, stuff that WOULD give away a budding Sith Lord. Now, if we assume that a Sith knows tricks that can hide his true emotions then, no matter how powerful the Jedi, exposing Palpatine as a Sith Master would be hard work indeed.
And Sidious IS powerful, of course.
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Aug 9th, 2001 12:00 AM |
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markfahey
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Well, I think that perhaps the spilled 'script' proves one thing...I'ts a fake! As far as I remember no clone 'attacked' whatsoever....
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Aug 9th, 2001 12:14 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Indeed. Don't write it off too quick, but something is not right there.
Look at the other threads about the new title; this problem is discussed in some of them.
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Aug 9th, 2001 12:16 AM |
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markfahey
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Ushgarak
As I have superior Swars knowledge, perhaps you will teach me the way of the forums!
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Aug 9th, 2001 12:54 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Brave words. I think you will fit here...
I'm actually off to bed right now, but post a hello in the Welcome forum (run by myself and my beautiful companion Edna), ask away and I will tell you all you need to know when I get back tomorrow...
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Aug 9th, 2001 12:57 AM |
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queeq
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Ah a new member. Welcome!
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Aug 9th, 2001 07:51 AM |
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DJ Velocity
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"HARD to see, the darkside is". But nobody said impossible.
I agree with Darth Lorac "is the darkside strong enough to evade detection by an entire council of jedi MASTERS?
I have been thinkiing about this alot and when I watch the OT, I am still impressed with Yoda's knowledge.
I think Yoda, at least, would sense the darkside.
I am now wondering...Is Palpy a clone?
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Aug 9th, 2001 08:47 AM |
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finti
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clones, clones, clones ok so the new film is about these clones but I think we all will learn that they clone unknown persons.
I think it is one of the sith powers to hide their true emotions and feelings. (This is were Luke failed even if yoda warned him).
The fact that the siths have stayed in a form of sanctuary for a millenium, belived to have been wiped out, shows the strength of the Siths. Not even the jedi council members can sence them.
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Aug 9th, 2001 08:58 AM |
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sand person no. 10
where are the other nine
Registered: Jun 2001
Location: West Midlands UK
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i haven't read the scriptments so perhaps i'm missing something here but how are admidala and padme the same person, there are countless shots of them together in tpm hence my original post about them being cloned.
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Aug 9th, 2001 11:32 AM |
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queeq
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They are one and the same person and always have been. In AOTC Padme is no longer queen, someone else is, and she is now a Senator for Naboo.
No clones, no mystery.
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Aug 9th, 2001 11:51 AM |
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DARTH LORAC
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The more I think about it the more I am convinced that Palpatine is a clone of Sidious. Only time will tell and Episode 2 and 3 will tell.
When I first came across this forum I to thought Palpatine and Sidious where one person, but using logic and the title of episode 2 "Attack of The Clones" I am now pretty sure that Palpy is a clone. I am sure that I have read somewhere that clones can use the force as well, but they can never be as skilled as somone who has had a natural birth.
I know that Sidious was only seen as a holographic projection in TPM, he seamed to be alot older than palpy. In fact he looked only slighty younger than the emperor in ROTJ.
The Sith lords and the Darkside seem to mutch more powerful than their counterparts, so prehaps this grants them the power to hide from the Jedi. I am glad that DJ Velocity might possibly agree with me.
GL has has a habit of throwing in surprises into his movies. In Empire it was the revalation that Darth was Lukes father. In ROTJ it was leia being Lukes twin, so why not Playpy being a clone of Sidious.
One more question who trained Sidious and how old do you think he is?
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Aug 9th, 2001 12:30 PM |
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queeq
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I don't know where you get your clues, but you are most likely very wrong. maybe you should check out the TPM DVD on that age-difference theory of yours, because you have not been looking very well.
SW is a simple films. Clones are only going to be replacement warriors for battle droids. Mass production is the word. GL will not make complicated intrigues about Palpy cloning himself etc. This is about Anakin and the Clone Wars is provides the background where Anakin will fall to the Dark Side.
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